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She was almost president...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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The following is an excerpt adapted from "Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign," which will be released on April 18. Copyright 2017 by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Published by Crown, an imprint of the Crown Publishing Group, a division of Penguin Random House, LLC.

'We Got An Ass-Chewing'

Hillary was so mad she couldn't think straight. She was supposed to be focused on the prep session for that night's Univision debate in Miami, but a potent mix of exhaustion and exasperation bubbled up inside.

She'd been humiliated in the Michigan primary the night before, a loss that not only robbed her of a prime opportunity to put Bernie Sanders down for good but also exposed several of her weaknesses. How could she have been left so vulnerable? She knew - or at least she thought she did. The blame belonged to her campaign team, she believed, for failing to hone her message, energize important constituencies and take care of business in getting voters to the polls. And now, Jake Sullivan, her de facto chief strategist, was giving her lip about the last answer she'd delivered in the prep session.



"That's not very good," Sullivan corrected.

"Really?" Hillary snapped back.

The room fell silent.

"Why don't you do it?"



The comment was pointed and sarcastic, but she meant it. So for the next 30 minutes, there he was, pretending to be Hillary while she critiqued his performance.

Every time the Yale lawyer and former high school debate champ opened his mouth, Hillary cut him off. "That isn't very good," she'd say. "You can do better." Then she'd hammer him with a Bernie line.

It wasn't just Sullivan in her crosshairs. She let everyone on her team have it that day. "We haven't made our case," she fumed. "We haven't framed the choice. We haven't done the politics."

"She was visibly, unflinchingly pissed off at us as a group," said one aide who was in the room for the humiliating scene. "And she let us know she felt that way."

Hillary had been up into the wee hours the night before, agitating over her loss. This is because we made poor choices about where we traveled, she thought. She emailed Robby Mook to tell him she believed she'd spent too much time in the cities of Detroit and Flint and not enough in the working-class white suburbs around them. Sensing just how angry she was, Mook responded by putting together a morning conference call so that Hillary could vent. But that didn't settle her; if anything, it left her more perplexed and angry, as her debate-prep team witnessed firsthand.

Her aides took the browbeating - one of several she delivered in person and on the phone that day - in silence. They had a lot of their own thoughts on what went wrong, some of which echoed Hillary's assessment: her message was off for Michigan, and she had refused to go hard against trade; Mook had pinched pennies and failed to put organizers on the ground; the polling and analytics were a touch too rosy, meaning the campaign didn't know Bernie was ahead; she had set up an ambiguous decisionmaking structure on the campaign; and she'd focused too heavily on black and brown voters at the expense of competing for the whites who had formed her base in 2008. The list went on and on.

The underlying truth - the one that many didn't want to admit to themselves - was the person ultimately responsible for these decisions, the one whose name was on the ticket, hadn't corrected these problems, all of which had been brought to her attention before primary day. She'd stuck with the plan, and it had cost her.

While the campaign projected a drama-free tenor, it was reminiscent of other moments of frustration.

Months earlier, Hillary Clinton turned her fury on her consultants and campaign aides, blaming them for a failure to focus the media on her platform.

In her ear the whole time, spurring her on to cast blame on others and never admit to anything, was her husband. Neither Clinton could accept the simple fact that Hillary had hamstrung her own campaign and dealt the most serious blow to her own presidential aspirations.

That state of denial would become more obvious than ever to her top aides and consultants during one conference call in the thick of the public discussion of her server. Joel Benenson, Mandy Grunwald, Jim Margolis, John Anzalone, John Podesta, Mook, Huma Abedin and Dan Schwerin were among the small coterie who huddled in Abedin's mostly bare corner office overlooking the East River at the campaign's Brooklyn headquarters. Hillary and Bill, who rarely visited, joined them by phone.

Hillary's severe, controlled voice crackled through the line first. It carried the sound of a disappointed teacher or mother delivering a lecture before a whipping. That back end was left to Bill, who lashed out with abandon. Eyes cast downward, stomachs turning - both from the scare tactics and from their own revulsion at being chastised for Hillary's failures - Hillary's talented and accomplished team of professionals and loyalists simply took it. There was no arguing with Bill Clinton.

You haven't buried this thing, the ruddy-cheeked former president rasped. You haven't figured out how to get Hillary's core message to the voters. This has been dragging on for months, he thundered, and nothing you've done has made a damn bit of difference. Voters want to hear about Hillary's plans for the economy, and you're not making that happen. Now, do your damn jobs.

"We got an ass-chewing," one of the participants recalled months later.

Hillary came back on the line to close the lecture. It was hard to tell what was worse - getting hollered at by Bill or getting scolded by the stern and self-righteous Hillary. Neither was pleasant. You heard him, she admonished. "Get it straight."
DrafterX Offline
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She lost... Mellow
SteveS Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
She lost... Mellow


Yes, she did and thankfully so ...

As much as I find Trump unpalatable, I am buoyed by the knowledge that had he not won, this woman would have been the president ... that thought is utterly terrifying ... Obama was easily the worst president of all time and it would have been unimaginable to have to endure someone who would have certainly been even worse ... it was pretty bad when Johnson was followed by Nixon, but at least there were a few visible candidates in each party that we could have some hope might prevail after those years, but honestly, I don't see much on either side of the aisle these days that I find very encouraging ...
gummy jones Offline
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maybe hilary was missashlie?
DrafterX Offline
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yep... you'd be paying higher taxes and there would be amnesty, Obamacare and welfare for all illegals.. in exchange for a Democratic vote of course.. Mellow
Stinkdyr Offline
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Hitlery is a loser.
It turns out men really don't want to vote for a khunt like her.

fog
tripleguy Offline
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Might still be paying higher taxes - the geni's not out of the bottle yet.
Amnesty will go to the wealthy in the form of draft avoidance - it alway does, ask Trump.
Corporate welfare in agriculture, gas, oil and coal - did I forget coal? Hundreds of billions of dollars but as long as it doesn't go to moochers, It's OK.

No Hillary fan here but no orange man fan either. That sadly, is what this race boiled down to - who do you dislike the least. Fine lines. We're all in this together and we're all phuqed.
Burner02 Offline
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Her, I got my azz kicked book should be entitled "Trumped."


Have to give credit elsewhere.
DrafterX Offline
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according to da Dems she was Putined... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
according to da Dems she was Putined... Mellow

I thought that was the fries with cheese and stuff on them
DrafterX Offline
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I like fries with cheese and stuff on them... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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be careful when you try to get into a limo...
Stinkdyr Offline
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Picture Hillary's skirt blown up by the wind and you get to see her cellulitic thunder thighs, pimpled azz, and embedded thong.

Yep, what has been imagined, cannot be unimagined.

Enjoy!

Herfing
DrafterX Offline
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Victor too.... Mellow
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frankj1 wrote:
I thought that was the fries with cheese and stuff on them


The area of MA I live in has a large percentage of the population with French Canadian heritage. Every summer one of the larger churches holds a big 3 day festival (games for kids, card tournaments, bingo, silent raffles... stuff like that).

They make as sell literally over a 1000 of some version of poutaines (pronounced around here as "poo-tin"). Folks come from miles around to stock up on theses things - they rave about them.

When I first heard the scuttlebutt I had to try them. Here they are made of a ground beef mixture surrounded by grated potatoes and formed into fist sized blobs in cheese cloth then boiled in water until they are a battleship grey slimy substance.

Totally disgusting.

On the other hand, the Rappe Pie they make ain't half bad.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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That sounds horrific... the poutine I've come to know is French fries smothered in Brown gravy and topped with cheese curds...
delta1 Offline
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Straighten it out -- or I will...
tonygraz Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
That sounds horrific... the poutine I've come to know is French fries smothered in Brown gravy and topped with cheese curds...


I had some at a fast food joint in Canada once and it wasn't great.


Oh, eat poutine and die !
tailgater Offline
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Bucky,
They're f*cking with ya.
Them's cow chips.


Poutine is fries and gravy and cheese curds.
In other words: Manna.

frankj1 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
I had some at a fast food joint in Canada once and it wasn't great.


Oh, eat poutine and die !

I like that you are going for a laff by lampooning yourself...a kinder gentler TonyG.
BuckyB93 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Bucky,
They're f*cking with ya.
Them's cow chips.


Poutine is fries and gravy and cheese curds.
In other words: Manna.




I'm not making this up. Come to Gardner when they have the festival. Actually show up 2 days earlier to prep for it. Folks flock in and you cant find the street parking around the church for 2 blocks or 3 blocks around ground zero. Folks buy them slimy things by the dozen and take them home to freeze them for later. I volunteered one year to help out. Pealed pickup truckloads potatoes for like 4 hrs.

We rinsed them off by tossing them in a washing machine and running a rinse cycle prior to shredding them. It was an assembly line of church volunteers doing the grunt work, old women running the show, kids doing trash duty... and so on.

Me thinks the older generation ate too many paint chips. Either that or they have too many French genes in their DNA... ala Le HockeyDad.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Since we are doing the French thingy. Made some chicken cordon bleu tonight. It was yummy.

Not meaning to to step on Drafter's toes for food report.... Chicken Cordon Bleu, Wild Rice, Broccoli. Much more civilized than the battleship gray potato bombs.

Cross my heart hope to die, stick a needle in my eye... If the MA hole herf is after the festival, Ill grab a few of the slime balls (me included) to bring and share.
DrafterX Offline
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I could sure use some blue chikens about now... Mellow
BuckyB93 Offline
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Freak
tailgater Offline
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Had some Korean Poutine at lunch today.
Korean marinaded beef with kimchee and soy marinade and cheese over hand cut fries.

Friggin awesome.


No grey slimy balls like Bucky eats.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Had some Korean Poutine at lunch today.
Korean marinaded beef with kimchee and soy marinade and cheese over hand cut fries.

Friggin awesome.



where?
tailgater Offline
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New place in Norton called Mac and Walts.

12 rotating taps and Yuge bourbon selection.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
New place in Norton called Mac and Walts.

12 rotating taps and Yuge bourbon selection.


let's take Ed there
tailgater Offline
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LAG!



gummy jones Offline
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#28 I'll be your ed
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
LAG!




huh?
tailgater Offline
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Like
A
Genius
!!!



frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Like
A
Genius
!!!




I must be lagging in that department
DrafterX Offline
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Hillary Clinton on Tuesday said she took “absolute personal responsibility” for her losing presidential campaign -- but went on to blame FBI Director James Comey and Russian interference for aiding Republican rival Donald Trump’s ascension to the presidency.

Clinton specifically cited the letter from Comey late in the campaign saying agents were looking into possible new information related to Clinton’s secret, homebrewed computer server. She was ultimately never charged with a crime, and Comey cleared Clinton on the Sunday before the election.

She also mentioned WikiLeaks, the antisecrecy website which some analysts believe to be connected to Russia and which posted the hacked emails of Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta.

“I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey’s letter on October 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but were scared off,” Clinton said at the Women for Women International Conference.

She added: "If the election were on October 27, I'd be your president."

But those presidential aspirations seem to be a thing of the past for Clinton, who said, however, that she wasn't getting out of politics entirely.

"I’m now back to being an activist citizen, and part of the resistance," she said.

Appearing to take a shot at the rural voters who helped deny her the presidency by supporting Trump in states such as Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Clinton said some of those places "cannot get cell coverage for a mile."

Clinton said she was writing a book about her experience as the 2016 Democratic nominee.

“It is a painful process reliving the campaign,” she said.

Clinton, the first female presidential candidate of a major party, said her election “would have been a really big deal.”

“There were important messages that could have sent,” Clinton said.

Taking a hit at Trump, Clinton said the president should worry less about the election "and my winning the popular vote."


Film at 11.. Think Think


Hillary Clinton on Tuesday said she took “absolute personal responsibility” for her losing presidential campaign... Think Think


Gene363 Offline
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Who?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c0a06/ooh_hillary_you_almost_had_ityou_gotta_be_quicker/


LMMFAO
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
DrafterX Offline
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If she's not careful the FBI just might open her files again... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
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Too busy now checking on Russian stuff and the White House peeps.
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tonygraz wrote:
Too busy now checking on Russian stuff and the White House peeps.



Maybe Hillary can broker an other deal to sale Russia some of our uranium.
gummy jones Offline
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Maybe hilary was missashlie
She just wanted to be accepted
tonygraz Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Maybe Hillary can broker an other deal to sale Russia some of our uranium.


Some people can never accept the facts and will repeat something over and over again despite facts to the contrary. They call them Republicans and sometimes deplorables.
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Shillary is a hero, savior to some voters.
She is just another self-serving,finger-to-the-wind socialist to many.

Beer
DrafterX Offline
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Hillary thought she was entitled... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary thought she was entitled... Mellow

I heard she used to have an animal sanctuary in Colorado...
DrafterX Offline
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OhMyGod
Burner02 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Some people can never accept the facts and will repeat something over and over again despite facts to the contrary. They call them Republicans and sometimes deplorables.




I will give you the one on the uranium deal, but the rest sounds like your self portrait minus the Republican part.



tonygraz Offline
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Sorry, I never took classes at Prager U..........didn't think they were worth the time.
Burner02 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Sorry, I never took classes at Prager U..........didn't think they were worth the time.




You are the only one that has ever made any reference to there being a Prager U campus.

Sounds like you need to serve yourself another scoop of ice cream



tonygraz Offline
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Do you have to have a campus to have someone take classes ? What about a football team - maybe fantasy football would work - yes - the Prager fantasies. Hell I'm having a sundae.
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