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Robby Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2003, 5:03 PM EST
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For the last several days, I've seen a repeated message on the news. It goes something like this, "WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA" and it's coming from the Hollywood left... What's the deal? This isn't McCarthy? They can say and do whatever the xxxx they want. All that's being done is it's being "reported", you know, they report, we decide? So people (hopefully LOTS OF PEOPLE) are deciding and voting with their dollars. If they think certain "stars" are a bunch of pinko whining liberal tree huggers, they don't have to pay their bills by soaking up their crap and saying "yum yum" and oh by the way, say whatever you want whenever you want, because you're just soooo talented, I don't care if you embarrass the US, I just love you. MMMM kiss kiss kiss kiss. Give me a break! No one is telling these people they can't speak their mind. In fact, I want more of them to make even bigger a$$es of themselves. I love it!! It helps me immensely with my entertainment "CHOICES!!!" after all? aren't they "pro choice?"

Yes yes yes, I cheated and had a few a day early...
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2003, 6:24 PM EST
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To hell with Tim Robbins.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2003, 7:07 PM EST
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why don't you both read what he said at the national press corp dinner before you draw conclusions about people based on 20 second sound bites.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0416-01.htm
jjohnson28 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2003, 8:41 PM EST
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Rick,read it.My how I just love watching/reading you libs spin.That man be one paranoid M/F if you ask me.The saddest part is he'll have some of you believing it's all true.
rayder1 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Apr 17 2003, 10:26 PM EST
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Actors do not have opinions. I choose to ignore all actors who voice opinions on anything outside of themselves.

Understand...actors are people who have spent their lives dedicated to pretending they are someone else. Look at people like William Shatner, Michael Douglas, Sally Struthers etc. They have spent so much time not being themselves, pretending to be someone and something they aren't, they have lost their own identities. And they have been locked into a character personality.

Pay attention to how they talk. They are always playing one of their characters or a mishmash of their characters.

Robert Blake is a fine example of someone who was lost in his craft. He thought he would get away with murder because he was Baretta. He thought the police would show him professional courtesy and treat him different. He thought he could create the perfect crime..since he was a "detective" for so long.

Listen to Charlie/Martin Sheen. Mr tough guys. Very passionate but very plastic in their character. I think Emilio is the closest thing to a "regular guy" than the rest of the family.

Don Johnson still dresses like Sonny. Sly Stallone thinks he is everyone he has ever played and draws a character out of his box whenever the situation requires is.

Just my two cents. I think you have to live outside the insulation of money and fame to be able to have atrue grasp of the real world. When is the last time one of the aforementioned had to decide between paying off the entire power bill, or paying off a credit card.

Marriage and fidelity is a lost concept with most of them. Children are raised by nannies....dogs are fed by a handler. Nails are cut by a manicurist. Body toned by a personal trailer.

Certainly isn't my world.
cwilhelmi Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:32 AM EST
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rayder1 - I completely agree, and afterall, can anyone of you say Shawshank Redemption wasn't an incredible movie? By boycotting TR you couldn't have seen it...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 3:03 AM EST
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rayder 1

"actors are people who have spent their lives dedicated to pretending they are someone else"

of course they do, but you forgot to mention reagen who played president for 8 years, almost as long as danny devito played a cab driver dispatcher but not as long as susan lucce has been playing whatever her role is on some soap opera.

i no longer have the refrences to some of his speeches when he went off the written speech and drifted into a part he had played in a movie. remember he never was in the military.
Robby Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:25 AM EST
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I saw Tim R. "whining" and referring to FNC as "19th Century Fox" and bemoaning the papers for draging his good name through the mud. What I didn't hear was him disputing anything they reported... OH HELL!! YOU'RE OUTING ME FOR THE LEFTIST I AM!! AND THAT MAY AFFECT MY POPULARITY!! Some of us have principals which would not allow us to look past these peoples views to put money in their pockets to support their publich bashing of the US...
Robby Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:27 AM EST
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vote with your dollars... The 25% who think and feel and believe like Tim R and Susan S and Martin S, etc... Can support them, and the 75% who disagree can and should choose not to... Rick? Chris? You guys better rent A LOT of movies!!
cwilhelmi Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:59 AM EST
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Robby - I never said I agree with them, I said that I don't care about them. I choose not to loose sleep over their lives, words or actions; I just use them for entertainment.

Who's whining Robby? It sounds like the righties are whining more than anyone else...
cwilhelmi Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 8:36 AM EST
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And since I go to 1 movie a year, rent maybe 3 movies a year, and watch a 100 or so a year on cable, I'm not too worried about giving them money... Since I work for a cable company I get free full boat cable with all the movie channels, no need to waste money at the theatre.
ducati996 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 9:43 AM EST
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Hey, I cheated today and had a few early also. Way to go, Robby. I hate to drink alone.
miluns Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 9:46 AM EST
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Oh man I finally got it!!!!

The first amendment is fine if you critisize (sp) the Government, but if us ordinary people want to use the same right to speak out against them then thats WRONG?

Come on people wise up!! If I want to call the protestors "Traitors" then thats my rights!!! and if they want to call me a "warmonger" then they have the right to do that to. It's all tit-for-tat.

If I decide not to give them my money because I don't like their views, to me its the same as not giving them money because I don't like their acting!!!

Bottom line: IF you open your mouth and speak your mind, then you can suffer or prosper depending on how people view you.


P.S.- the posted article sounds like a bunch of BS!! He screwed up and now he's whining about how he's being mistreated. Tough $h!t!!!

Think before you speak.

That's my opinion and also my right to say so!! Go ahead and give me crap about it, but I'm still going to be right because it's MY OPINION.


Later,

Mike
Robby Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 11:04 AM EST
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YEAH! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!! ER ahem, never mind...

Seriously though, the one's whining are the Hollywood left (redundant?). I've seen them being interviewed and they are WHINING! Have you watched the news Chris? Or is this an Ostrich approach to those you disagree with? If so, you may want to try the sand as opposed to where it appears your head has been stuck =:-o
miluns Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 11:16 AM EST
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Robby,

You didn't think before typed! Obviously you can not say things like that unless you are saying it about the government!

Now, say your sorry and go to your room!


Robby Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 11:45 AM EST
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miluns you WAR MONGER!!!!!!!!!!! HELL NO! I WON'T GO! HELL NO! I WON'T GO! HELL NO! I WON'T GO!
Charlie Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 12:44 PM EST
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Rick

Excuse me, but I read what the fool and second guesser had to say and still think that he is an obsessive whiner!

Charlie
cwilhelmi Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 12:56 PM EST
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You're both whining(left and right), and I can tune them out, but I can't make these stupid threads disappear! That's my point, BFD they're whining, BFD you don't like it, the media just doesn't have anything else to spoonfeed to the US public since there's no more war coverage. I never said anyone didn't have a legal right to complain, I just said I'm sick of hearing it!
Robby Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 1:41 PM EST
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Something tells me (a little birdie?) that if I were complaining about Bush, you'd be standing behind me, shouting screams of support and "right on". Wanna see my little birdie? .|..
miluns Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 1:44 PM EST
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your both whining?
huh?
did you mean that both sides are whining? or was that directed to the posts?
miluns Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 1:48 PM EST
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you have the right not to read the posts or threads. Granted this is not a god given right, but the powers that be, have voted and told me to let you know.


Later, (maybe)
Robby Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 1:51 PM EST
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THAT'S IT miluns! YOU MAY NOT POST AGAIN FOR 1 MONTH!!
miluns Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 1:55 PM EST
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After today?
Please let me stay up and finish fighting!!!!!


I'm tired and I don't want to go to bed!!!


You can't make me!!!


cwilhelmi Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:02 PM EST
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Robby - Bush and his actions have a direct effect on your life as well as every other US citizen, unlike these moronic hollywood celebs. Has TR's rants done anything to directly affect you? If so I'm all ears...
cwilhelmi Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:07 PM EST
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I guess that's the reason I don't see any merit in getting a head of steam over their frivolous comments, they have no affect on me or my life. Whereas GWBs comments, actions and stances do have a direct effect on everyone.

I just don't see why you let it bug you so much...
cwilhelmi Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:08 PM EST
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I'm outta here, it's been good discussing with everyone...

Smoke a good one for me tonight, since I'm still sick and can't smoke...
Robby Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:09 PM EST
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Just curious, did you vote for Gore?
Robby Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 2:10 PM EST
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Seems like you have a chip on ... let's just say "your shoulder"
Tobasco Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 3:08 PM EST
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Chris

You claim to be an independent. I dont buy that anymore. You are a left winger, with some exceptions.

I am a right winger all the way for the most part, and almost always disagree with your points of view. So dont say you are an independent cause you arent.

If 75% or more of what you believe in, lines right up with a particular party, then I feel that you are pretty much in that party.

I feel that you are more than 75% aligned with democratic viewpoints.

If you notice who you debate with most, the majority of those folks are known conservatives.

Just my observation.

Mag

cwilhelmi Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 4:29 PM EST
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Mag - Have we debated every possible subject? No, probably because we agree on some things so we don't need to debate. I am independent, even if I may lean to the left more than the right, I still choose not to associate myself with either party.

Robby - I voted for Gore, but if McCain or Powell would have gotten the GOP nod then I would have voted for them over Gore. What does that have to do with this thread?



Robby Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 4:58 PM EST
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BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU LEAN TO THE RIGHT AND YOU VOTED FOR GORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH LIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robby Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 5:16 PM EST
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There’s this ventriloquist who wanders in to an Indian village. He thinks it would be fun to ply his trade on the locals so he walks up to the Chief and turns to the Chief’s horse and says, tell me, what is it like to be the Chief’s horse? The Chief’s horse says, oh it’s a great honor! I get to wear the finest war paint, and lead the charge, I have all the mare’s I want, it’s great!

The Chief looks at the ventriloquist and says, that’s amazing! Can you do that again? The ventriloquist says, sure! He walks over to the Chief’s dog and says, tell me, what’s it like to be the Chief’s dog? The dog says, oh it’s great! I get the biggest buffalo bones! I get all the bitches I want! I love it! It’s a great honor!

The ventriloquist is now on a roll, so he turns to the Chief’s flock and says, what’s it like to be the Chief’s sheep? Before he could get another word out, the Chief jumps up and yells SHEEP LIE! SHEEP LIE! Well cwilhelmi LIE!
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 6:11 PM EST
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Chris,
Don't worry, nobody wants to be associated with the democrats.
And nobody wants to be associated with "liberals".
Even the democratic liberals don't like it when they are called that.

Although I view your known (posted) opinions to be on the "moderate side of liberal" vs "on the left side of moderate" as you claim, that's OK.
I see you debate more right wingers only because this board is heavily slanted in that direction.

And for the record, McCain is democrat. He just doesn't know it.
Tobasco Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:07 PM EST
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Gater, you are correct. McCain needs to change parties.

Chris you go on denying it, I dont care. I am much older than you and know what a Democrat is all about. You are that.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:08 PM EST
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A dog that thinks he's a cat is still a dog!

Mag
Wood-man Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 7:14 PM EST
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Not that it's really whinning, did anyone see the Rev Al Sharpton on H&C this week it was a hoot(I did not see it all my wife made me turn it,we were on vacation in the theme park capital of the world {Orlando FL} [Frank Costanza] I here you can drop a grand in Disney World like that. (snap fingers} More like 3 grand.
anyway sorry for the jack maybe to much Bourbon.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 10:49 PM EST
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what the hell kind of thread is this, i mean the dimensions not the words.

miluns

if you know where i can a tit for some tat, let me know.

i do remember the duck joke but for this board.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2003, 10:55 PM EST
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by the way if you all read all the posts, guess what?

YOU'RE ALL WHINNING!!!
Robby Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2003, 4:21 AM EST
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Sorry, I think I made it wide with irrational
exuberance and punctuation...

I hope no one is offended by this, but personally,
I've always referred to "independents" as
Democrats with no ba!!s... I have more respect for
those with liberal views who actually stand up and
are counted as libs. I still don't agree with them,
but they have convictions. I had convictions, but
they were expunged...

No ba!!s, no offence...
cwilhelmi Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2003, 10:51 AM EST
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Robby - I think people who say you either have to be a democrat or a republican have no brains. No offense but it seems like intellectual laziness and weakness to just agree with everything a party says even if you might not. Since I don't agree with either party enough to join them I'm independent, and I really don't care whether or not you like it.
E-Chick Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Apr 19 2003, 2:53 PM EST
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This is usually where someone steps and to calm things between me and [fill in the blank]...and says, " Can't we all just get along?"

You boys best behave now! Or I'll knock you into tomorrow!!!

Robby Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 3:11 PM EST
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Good point, I'm an independent too.

I voted for Regan, Regan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush.

But I'm not a republican, I’ve just vote republican...
To actually call me a republican just because I’ve voted
republican would be intellectually vapid…

I Own Guns.

I Make too much money and like lower taxes because I think they
stimulate the economy.

I Only have 1 kid after planning for him.

I Support the military.

I Don't believe the government does a very
good job educating our children.

I Am a Christian.

I Believe people should be judged based on the
content of their character and quotas are immoral.

I Think the caribou can deal with a pipeline.

I Believe in adoption over other less savory options.

But I'm not a republican, I'm an Independent...
You buyin any of this? I said it, so it must be true Right?
I wouldn’t tell you I was an Independent if it wasn’t true, would I?
(hair lip)

I'm not a republican, or even a conservative,
I'm an independent. I have you fooled now right?
You're right where I want you. Watch the watch...
You're getting sleeeeepy.

GIVE ME A BREAK!
cwilhelmi Offline
#43 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 5:58 PM EST
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Robby - The funny thing is I agree on most of the stuff you mentioned, so does that make me a republican now??

The only things I feel differently on from your list are as follows...

I'm not Christian

I believe in adoption for myself, but I'm pro-choice so that others can choose for themselves.

I didn't vote for the same people.



Some things you did't mention that we probably agree on are..

I think the environmetal lobby is more anti-corporation than they are pro-earth. Especially since most of them make up problems to protest against, instead of having actual data.

I think the government has too much power over our personal lives and our businesses.

Like I said I'm independent, for some reason you can't accept that, but I don't really care anymore...
Robby Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 6:13 PM EST
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Great, so I guess we could overlook Gore, as long as you didn't vote for Clinton. you didn't vote for Clinton, and then Gore and still sing the Independent mantra, did you? I was born at night, but...
Tobasco Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 7:27 PM EST
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Chris, many of your position are fine! There is hope.

Now, lets see you debate some of these ridiculous posts by the liberals you claim to be unafilliated with. Nothing personal. :>)

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 7:51 PM EST
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At the end of the day the issues are most important to me, the categorization doesn't mean much.

Mag - I have disagreed with the lefties in the past, it just all depends on the issue, I think we focus on the same issues over and over on this board.
cwilhelmi Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Apr 20 2003, 7:54 PM EST
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Robby - sometimes it seems like you were born tonight, not even last night. But other times you actually seem like a decent reasonable guy. I think it's just a matter of what type of reaction your trying to get, and how much you've had to drink...
Robby Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Apr 21 2003, 5:53 AM EST
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hehehe, hey! you're catching on!

So I'll take that as,

1. Yes I voted for Clinton (probably both times!)
2. And Yes, I voted for Gore

But I'm Independent, really I am.

Did you know, on a sub, if you wet the bed, that won't get you
thrown off the boat, but if you wet the bed and THEN
hide the sheets, they'll toss you off in a heartbeat...

(stop hiding the sheets)
cwilhelmi Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Apr 21 2003, 8:43 AM EST
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I caught on a while ago, give me a little more credit than that.

Are you drinking at work now? I think you need a program or something...
Robby Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Apr 21 2003, 9:41 AM EST
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Well alrighty then! We've established that;

1. You're NOT a Democrat or even a liberal.
2. You did vote for Gore.
3. You did vote for Clinton.
4. You'll vote for whoever runs against Bush in 04
and will even stoop so low as to vote for Dashole or
Kerry. You’d probably even vote for Sharpton over Bush!!
Albeit with a perfectly rational(ization) explanation…
5. Repeat steps 1-4.

It is said that no man ever stands so tall as when he stoops
To help a child. I say that no man ever stoops so low as
When he wets the bed and hides the sheets (figuratively)

Roger that, and I believe it all too! I'll be going to get
my wife's "I'm with Stupid" tee shirt now. Talk to you
later :o)
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