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Rick's Presidential Choice
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,618
http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm#hypocrite

Here's a platform to springboard anyone's curosity into this communist/socialist jackass that wanted to be President!

Enjoy!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
DrMaddVibe

i have bookmarked the site and will read it tonight. thanks for the url. do you want one that tells how dishonest bush is?

bush yes, cheney maybe a long time ago, but look at ashcroft's face. can you imagine him ever having sex?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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Whatever spins your beeny?
Spiny Norman Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 09-04-2002
Posts: 899
Wow, they don't like anybody!
cwilhelmi Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-24-2001
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Look what they say about GWB on there!!
Robby Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
Come on guys! You have to admitt, Nader is a little flakey! I mean, he was a good consumer advocate, but president? COME ON!!??
Spiny Norman Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 09-04-2002
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A little flaky yes but I dont think he was any less the presidential timber then Bush or Gore.

As to the charge that he is a hypocrite for investing in the stock market while critisizing corporate america. Is he investing in the same companies that he is calling to task or is he buying stock in companies that show corporate resposability? If its the former, he is a hypocrite. If it the later, he's not.
jdrabinski Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2002
Posts: 794
It takes hours to get through the scandalous **** on Bush. What a hypocrite that guy is. Everything. The holier than thou b.s., the military posturing...give me a break. I hope all the conservatives are reading the GWB write-up.

John
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
jdrabinski

i just found this site and i want to read about all the bad liberals first. i already know enough about the runt of the litter.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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It's there...black and white! All one has to do is read and understand simple stock trading terminology.


One reason he may hide his ample cash reserves -- besides the fact that people may not want to give him more money -- is that he is fond of playing the stock market with that green. (He also uses surpluses from his most flush organizations, usually the tax deductible ones, to give grants to his other groups.) Some of these transactions appear reckless for a nonprofit, "public interest" group; others skirt the edges of insider trading and conflict of interest. Mostly, it seems that all this money was a toy that Nader enjoyed playing with, especially as his winnings increased his power, fame and influence.

For example, the Nader is the president and treasurer of the Public Safety Research Institute. In 1970 alone, PSRI traded on the stock market 67 times, buying and selling $750,000 worth of stock, though the organization only had $150,000 worth of assets. These trades included a number of short sales, high risk and tricky transactions. Some worked, some lost money. In later years, PSRI traded less, for a good reason -- the IRS audited them after 1970 and charged the organization with "churning", excessive stock trades whose risk threatens the charitable purposes of the organization. It paid a fine and did not contest the charge. Thereafter, PSRI continued to play the market with fewer, generally long positions. Likewise, the Safety Systems Foundation (SSF) -- run by Nader's sister, and entirely funded by him personally -- engaged in a number of stock and bond transactions in the late 1960s and early 1970s. It was also fined by the IRS and paid without contest.

Several of these trades were poised to take advantage of Nader's activities, by selling short the stock of companies Nader's groups attacked, or buying stock of their competitors. In 1973, PSRI bought stock in Allied Chemical, the primary manufacturer of airbags, on the very day before GM announced they would offer optional airbags on 1974 models. PSRI made a 12.5% profit in 3 and a half months. In 1976, PSRI and the SSF bought stock in Goodyear just as the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration -- then run by former top Nader aide Joan Claybrook -- announced an investigation of the Firestone 500 series of steel-belted radials. The 2 organizations held onto the stock for 2 years until there was a recall, and Firestone -- Goodyear's major competitor -- suffered.

In 1970, IT&T attempted to merge with the Hartford Fire Insurance Company. Nader filed a 50 page brief attacking the merger, then SSF sold IT&T stock short. It made almost 10% on its money in 6 DAYS, then closed its position two days before the merger was approved. When pressed by a reporter, Nader said the timing was "mere coincidence" and said he had no control over the investment. However, his sister Laura Nader Millerson was the sole trustee of SSF throughout its existence, and Nader was the sole contributor.

jdrabinski Offline
#11 Posted:
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I found the rap on Nader pretty weak, actually. A lot of 'if you are a public advocate you must be perfect' kind of nonsense. Pretty uneventful stuff, most of it was innuendo...I think the innuendo motif in any of these rap sheets is amateurish and gossipy. Most of the Nader information is of that order. Can you imagine being judged by the opinions of your fired or disgruntled workers? What is their main complaint? He worked them too hard? I can't believe that that is a real criticism. Whatever...I thought hard work was a virtue. I figured the conservative critics would critique the complaining workers!

And the stock market stuff? Basically, that says to me that he doesn't live up perfectly to his ideals. Does that make his ideals wrong? We shouldn't confuse those two things. So he isn't a saint. Who cares. Evaluate what he stands for.

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
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Actually, I find your post weak!

You can refute anything you like, but at least come armed with some sense of intelligence! If you don't like it...Don't read it, but I certainly didn't see where you claimed to have any source of better information.

It seems that the staffers that wrote those tell all books had a major score to settle, and that any decent criminal lawyer would've blown them out of the water as far as slander or anything libelous was concerned, but Nader's silence in that matter was/is deafening!

Someone that has the public's attention like he commands and uses it for short selling profit taking is tantamount to criminal. There's little to no difference in my mind between what Martha Stewart did and what Nader continues to do! Self-serving greedy money mongers.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Ralph Nadar was a useful fool in the last presidential election.
How many conservatives voted for Nadar?
Without him, Gore may have won.

Likewise, Ross Perot screwed it up for Bush Senior.
His concept of running the country like a business appealed to conservatives, not liberals.

These third party candidates are affecting the elections whether they get a single electoral vote or not.

Now sit back and watch how Al Sharpton divides the Democratic party.
Politics is fun.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
tailgater

"Politics is fun." you are correct.

like a bunch of little kids running around on halloween, trying to get the most candy.
Robby Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
Does Snopes dispute the Nader dirt as "False"? =:-o

Politics is fun for those who care and follow it. What bothers me more than people who disagree with my conservative philosophy are those who simply don't care and don't vote. It's a privilege many in the world don't have and many in this country gave their lives for. For us not to take it seriously does them a disservice in my opinion.
Spiny Norman Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 09-04-2002
Posts: 899
snopes has no mention of Nader except a brief mention in this thread.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/leave.htm

No mention on the "truthorfiction" website

Nothing on the smokinggun.com

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