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We just lost NY who is next?
GTofMurphy Offline
#1 Posted:
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Tobacco sale by Web and mail has ban affirmed
6/18/2003

A federal judge Tuesday refused to prevent New York State from enforcing a public health law that will ban Internet and mail-order tobacco sales.
District Judge William M. Skretny's decision allows state tax officers to move forward today with enforcement of a law that is strongly opposed by the Seneca Nation of Indians and other Native American tribes.

Skretny told two attorneys who represent Seneca tobacco sellers that he will listen to arguments Friday and decide soon afterward on their request for a temporary order to prevent the law's enforcement.

The judge said he needs several days to consider the request, which was filed with the court Tuesday. He said that it should not have been filed at the "eleventh hour."

"(Sellers) knew since April 3 of this year that "E-Day' - that's enforcement day - was coming," he said. "No one's interest would be served by a rushed decision."

State officials said they are concerned that Native Americans may react violently, as they did in April 1997 when the state tried to collect taxes on some Native American tobacco and gasoline sales.

But they also said it is unlikely that there will be any immediate enforcement actions - such as arrests or seizures of cigarette shipments - that would touch off violence. State officials think the state may be losing hundreds of millions of dollars a year because the Internet sales are not taxed.

The law prohibits the delivery of cigarettes to individuals who are not licensed to receive them.

Native American tobacco sellers say the law is unconstitutional and will force hundreds of Indians to be laid off from their jobs on the Seneca reservations alone.

Attorneys Joseph F. Crangle and Margaret Murphy represented the Internet tobacco sellers in Tuesday's meeting before Skretny, with Assistant State Attorney General Stephen F. Gawlik representing the state. At one point, Skretny directed Gawlik to leave the courtroom, contact state officials and ask whether they could voluntarily delay enforcement of the law until he makes his decision.

Gawlik did so, telephoning a representative of Gov. George E. Pataki's office. He then told the judge that the state was insistent that the enforcement begin today.


Charlie Offline
#2 Posted:
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My bet is on Minnesota or Oregon!

Charlie
GTofMurphy Offline
#3 Posted:
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My bet is on Califorina or any other Liberal /Dem run state that is looking to tax more to fund more social programs
Robby Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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Sounds like some of the bonds of friendship on the boards here may intensify a bit?
sketcha Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-26-2003
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California may just have another "Dutch" as a Gov. (Predator). We are a state on the political fence. Hard to argue with the liberal views toward smoking in this state though. There ARE alot of bars that shirk the smoking ban. It's only heavily enforced in restaurants and restaurant/bars. I think it can only be enforced in a bar if the employees want it to be. There's still a cool little bar, 1007 (one double oh seven) that has a pool table, ping pong, darts etc. as well as a nicely stocked humidor chock full of goodies.
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted:
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Arnold would probably stir up the non smoking advocates who are led by Liberal Leftist film director Rob Reiner, who might just run as the Democrat in California.

Gov Gray "worst in country" Davis is talking about another sin tax on tobacco to save the state from economic woes caused by his lack of leadership and pandering to every group that supports him.

This state is totally messed up-but it has the best damn weather in the US.

Charlie
Digisle Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 05-31-2002
Posts: 17
So what does this mean? Does it apply only to the Injuns , what happens to all of my on-line shopes in NY state?
Please comments as I may need to buy some goodies immediately!
GTofMurphy Offline
#8 Posted:
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It is my understand the law states "all" internet and mail order sales of tabacco products are now illegal in NY
Homebrew Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
Posts: 11,885
Hey GTofMurphy??????
Sorry to threadjack, but do you work for Murphy Oil Co.??????? Just wondering, they are based out of my hometown.
Just Wondering
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
sketcha Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 03-26-2003
Posts: 3,238
"It is my understand the law states "all" internet and mail order sales of tabacco products are now illegal in NY"

Good Lord! Nazi bastards! That's gotta hurt our beloved CI/Bid

Oh well, maybe the prices will come down.
Spiny Norman Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 09-04-2002
Posts: 899
I think Cbid can take the hit. Now if they loose California or Texas.......then its time to fold the tent.

(I agree,,,, Nazi bastards! )
GTofMurphy Offline
#12 Posted:
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Homebrew,

The "Murphy" comes Murphy,TX which is where I live. Where is that? Around a mile from South Fork Ranch where J.R. Ewing of "Dallas" fame hung his hat.
aportillo Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2003
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If you think that's bad, here in San Antonio our Mayor is pushing a city ordinance that will prohibit any smoking in public access areas. This will include pool halls, pubs, and of course strip joints. Isn't this a crime when a business owner cannot decide for themselves how to conduct themselves?!?!?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
toby just received her 10 cartons of cigarettes from the native american store in vegas. a little under $130.00 including shipping.
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