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Ahhhhhhh ... I love the smell of ...
Slimboli Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
... fresh roasted coffee ... especially if I'm the one doing the roasting!

I was able to aquire a couple pounds of green 'Crystal Mountain' and one of 'Torquino' ... and I can't wait to try the first one mentioned.

I've had the 'Torquino' once before (last year) but was only able to get a half pound of the green beans. The latter one is extremely hard to find ... or so I hear.

I'm roasting up the 'Crystal Mountain' right now ... and the guy who sold it to me says it makes an iced coffee to 'die for' ... ;^)
Slimboli Offline
#2 Posted:
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Sorry ... that should be 'Turquino' ... ;^)
SteveS Offline
#3 Posted:
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I hope you've got enough for everybody ... we'll be over shortly
Slimboli Offline
#4 Posted:
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Oh ... BTW Steve ... got any of the Kopi Luwak left ... ;^)

For the new folks here that don't know what that is ...

http://www.ravensbrew.com/NewFiles/kopiluwak.html

... and yes, Steve and a couple guys in his office are the only ones I know, that were brave enough to try it!
arwings Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 02-09-2003
Posts: 950
Taste is subjective, but in my opinion there has never exist any better coffee than Jamacian Blue Mountain. Still got a small supply frozen but I really ration that stuff out to myself.
eleltea Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
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Slim, the best cigars --just my opnion of course-- smell like a barnyard before they are lighted. At least one great pipe tobacco, latakia, is cured with the smoke from burning camel dung. Why not pick your coffee beans out of llama patties? Sounds ymmmmmy. lol
Robby Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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Who farted?
Slimboli Offline
#8 Posted:
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arwings --- have you ever roasted your own green coffee beans?

If you haven't, I liken it to eating a slice of Wonder Bread ... then comparing it to a slice of homemade fresh-baked bread right out of the oven ...

All the difference in the world ... and any coffee that is that fresh roasted (to your particular darkness) will taste like no coffee you have ever had before.

BTW --- for those that aren't familiar with the beans I mentioned ... they are ISOM coffees ... the Crystal Mountain being the rarest and hardest to get (and the best) ... and the most elusive of the two!

Steve*R Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 07-23-2001
Posts: 1,858
I have roasted both Turquino and Crystal Mountain. To be quite frank, though Crystal Mountain is considerably more expensive than the Turquino, I prefer the Turquino. It may be a function of how I roast the beans, that the distinctiveness of the Crystal Mountain isn't apparent. My last two roasts have both been Guatemalan, Filedephia Estate-the 2002 winner of the Cup of Excellence Award and El Recreo Estate.

My current favorite is the El Recreo Estate, oven rosted slowly at 400 degrees to a French roast. Because of the slow roast, it does not get a pretty gloss, nor are there surface oils, but the finished cup is very low in acidity.
Once you begin roasting your own coffee and paying less than $3.00 a pound, everything else tastes just awful. It's almost impossible to drink restaurant coffee.
Steve*R Offline
#10 Posted:
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Just a quick note on Jamaican Blue Mountain. I am certain that for some people Jamaican Blue Mountain and 100% Hawaiian Kona are wonderful. To the best of my knowledge, both are at their best at a medium or Austrian style roast. I've grown very acclimated to coffee roasted to French or Italian, very dark brown to almost black. The lighter roasts don't seem to impart enough flavor for me. I'd be apprehensive to risk the waste trying to get an acceptable cup by roasting either of these coffees too dark.
jjohnson28 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
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Ah yes,the Guatemalan Filedephia Estate-the 2002 winner of the Cup of Excellence Award and El Recreo Estate are both excellent coffees.

Slim and or SteveS or anybody else interested, you should Email SteveR or myself to find out about these beans and where to aquire them!You won't be sorry! :0)

Bikenic at netscape dot net
Slimboli Offline
#12 Posted:
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Coffee roasting is an art.

Roasting times and temperatures vary, depending upon the method of roasting used and the roast desired. Coffee roasting produces a wonderful fragrance, unobtrusive with the light roasts, but smokier if you roast dark.

After extensive experimentation, I found that I prefer most of my beans roasted about a minute or two after the 'first crack' (City Roast). I try to get it somewhere between a Light and medium roast.

I use several senses during the roasting process. By listening for the cracks, smelling the changing fragrances during the roast, and observing the beans changing from green to cinnamon to various shades of brown, I can best determines when to cut off the heat source.

Some coffee aficionados prefer coffee roasted between first crack and second crack (medium roast), where the beans retain the nuances attributable to the bean’s origin and type. Others prefer roasting into second crack (Full City Roast), where many beans develop a full, smoky, caramelized flavor.

Where the roast is stopped ... is left up to the tastes and preferences of the roaster.

The lenght of time you should roast your beans has a lot to do with the type of bean, the grade, it's country of origin, etc. Different beans will require different roasting times ... to insure that you reach it's peak flavor. I've found that I've destroyed the subtile flavors of several types, by roasting them too dark.

Coffee is best 4 to 24 hours after roasting. I find that it is best, if the freshly roasted beans are stored overnight ... to develop flavors. During this time, coffee emits enough C02 to keep the oxygen (that will eventually make it stale) at bay. The essential flavor oils are delicate, and fade or become tainted quickly despite all our interventions. Stored as whole beans in an airtight glass jar in a dark place, coffee can stay "fresh" for roughly 5 days.

You can roast coffee in a pan or wok, or in the oven. You can even roast them in a microwave, but all these methods are not uniformily successful, so you really dont get to enjoy the simplicity and quality of super-fresh home roasted coffee ... unless you have really got the science down.

I enjoy roasting coffee. The steam becomes fragrant. Soon I hear that "first crack," an audible cracking sound as the real roasting starts to occur. The sugars begin to carmelize, bound-up water escapes, the structure of the bean breaks down and oils migrate from their little pockets outward.

After the first crack, the roast can be considered complete, any time, according to your taste. The cracking is an audible cue, and, along with sight and smell, tells you what stage the roast is at.

Carmelization continues, oils migrate, and the bean expands in size as the roast becomes dark.
At this point a "second crack" can be heard, often more volitile than the first. Small pieces of the bean are sometimes blown away like shrapnel!

As the roast becomes very dark, the smoke is more pungent as sugars burn completly, and the bean structure breaks down more and more.

For those who like their coffee on the espresso side ... this stage has to be monitored very carefully. Left in too long ... and you will end up with a cup of 'charcoal' water.
Slimboli Offline
#13 Posted:
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Steve*R --- I was able to score both the Turquino and the Crystal Mountain for the same price, but the guy I got it from is a friend ... so he may have cut me a deal.

I was warned by many who roast these blends, to keep them between the light to medium roast, as they are not as good, and the subtile flavors will be 'burned-up' in the darker roasts.

You are right on the money, with your assesment of the roast that is best for 100% Kona. I've tried it light, medium and dark ... and medium (slightly towards the light side, or 8 minutes) makes the best cup.
Slimboli Offline
#14 Posted:
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jjohnson28 --- thanks for the offer ... but I did a 'Google' search, and I think I found the site.

It had the Filadelfia Estate Certified Genuine Antigua, Filadelfia Cup of Excellence, El Recreo Estate SHB and several more that look really interesting ...

I have about 5 more pounds of green beans I'm going to go through first, which includes Puerto Rico 'Yauco Selecto Estate' and another from the Galapagos Islands that is supposed to be pretty rare ... heck it better be! That one cost me $11 for the pound of green beans!!!
arwings Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 02-09-2003
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WOW! Looking at these posts inclines me to think that what I consider a "great cup of coffee" may be very mediocre to you guys. No, I've never roasted my own coffee. I was comparing the Blue Mountain I have to so-called "upscale" coffees, such as Millstone. Do you roast in an oven on a cookie sheet, or something similar? I suppose you would typically buy the green beans on-line (I live in a small town and don't recall encountering unroasted beans)? I'm definitely going to have to try it now. For me, a cigar and a good cup of strong, flavorful, black coffee just goes together.

Thanks for the insight.
Slimboli Offline
#16 Posted:
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arwings --- you can use a reaular hot-air popcorn popper ... but it's not advised.

This is the best place for the cheapest roaster, and a good assortment of green beans, that I've come across ...

http://www.sweetmarias.com
Slimboli Offline
#17 Posted:
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this is the roaster I was talking about ...

http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.hearthwareGOURMET.shtml
cooksta2 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2002
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these guys have alot of experience and good tips on brewing coffee. I must say my go to coffee is a guatemalam coban tanchi and two others are yemeni and nicaraguan. roasting is an easy skill to acquire. I have been roasting mine in a glass coverd sautee pan and they come out great. Sweet marias dot com is a great starting point. good luck
Steve*R Offline
#19 Posted:
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I've experimented roasting for several years. I've gone through the whirlypop phase, air popper phase, Hearthware coffee roaster phase, etc. The problem for me, with small batch, high temperature roasts is the acidity level of the finished cup. I oven roast at 400 degrees, one pound per foil roaster pan, I stir and agitate every ten minutes for the first forty minutes and then, every five minutes until it is ready. I use a Bakaware garden sieve 1/4 inch grate to shake the raosted beans to remove the chaff. I have both ceiling and wall exhaust fans in my kitchen, but they don't quite handle the smoke, so I open a window and use a window fan facing outside to remove the smoke.

I generally use three vendors for my green beans and mooch the Cuban beans from a friend in Calgary.
jjohnson28 Offline
#20 Posted:
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OK then Slim,I won't give you the code/coupon# for the 40% discount.So there!...LOL
Slimboli Offline
#21 Posted:
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DOH!!!
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#22 Posted:
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OK ... I have had two pots of the 'Crystal Mountain' so far (one yesterday, and one today) ... and have come to the conclusion that the one roasted at 8 minutes in my 'hot-air' roaster (between light to medium, more on the medium side) is the one that brings out the most flavors.

Very complex bean, I might add. It was hard for me to describe to myself what flavors I was experiencing, just that I have never had a coffee like this one before.

A very thick, solid flavor, deep and robust ... kind of earthy, with a 'roasty-toasty' kind flavor profile. I kept getting hints of flavors (and an after-taste) that I couldn't compare with anything ... and it really began to bug me. I kept going, "there it is again, what the heck is that" ...

Excellent coffee ... different than any coffee I've ever experienced, and I now see why most of those who have had it before rave about it. It's definately in a class by itself ...

Steve*R Offline
#23 Posted:
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Price differences based on 10 lb. minimum orders
Cuban Turquino,$6.11 per pound $USD
Cuban Crystal Mountain, $11.51 per pound $USD

It's expensive compared to: Filadelfia Estate Certified Genuine Antigua at $2.70 per pound or Guatemala Monte Maria Estate at $2.10 per pound.
Slimboli Offline
#24 Posted:
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I got my Crystal Mountain for $10 a lb.

... and there was no minimum order, but like I said, I got it through a friend ...
Slimboli Offline
#25 Posted:
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Expensive for green beans? Yes ...

Hard to locate, limited quantities, something 'novel' and 'elusive' to roast and brew, willing to pay a higher price? Yes ...
Deriffe Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 06-30-2003
Posts: 522
There are only two kinds of coffee.......GOOD and BETTER. Keep in mind that I can drink what was called Ranger Coffee.



Coffee grounds boiled in a wool sock. :)
dbguru Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 03-06-2002
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Steve,

Was in Hawaii in mid April and made a point of sampling and buying many different Kona's while over there. I found Kona roasted anywhere from medium to dark. Medium was much more common but darker roasted Konas were readily available. The darker the roast, the oilier the beans got which to detracted a bit from the flavor. I finally settle on buying about 3 pounds (at $16.00/Lb) of this brand that was a medium/dark roast, and have really been enjoying it, but am running out. (forget the brand cause I'm at work)

Actually there is a very good Columbian Supremo that is roasted at our Costco stores here (also medium dark), that when blended 50/50 with this Kona I cam back with makes for about the best cup of joe I can remember. Incredible taste and smell!!!!
Steve*R Offline
#28 Posted:
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My experience in Hawaii was that there was more coffee sold as Kona than could possibly be grown there. There's molokai, maui, kaanpali, and some kona variations. The Hawaiians also bring in both Arabica and Robusta beans to blend with Hawaiian beans. It was in Hawaii where I learned that cheap Vietnamese robusta beans were often sold to tourists as organic 100% kona. Much to my surprise I discovered that Vietnam has become the world's second-largest exporter of coffee, behind Brazil, and is the No. 1 exporter of the robusta bean.
Lowman Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 12-03-2002
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Slim,
Made a pot of that Cuban coffee you sent me this morning. (made the pot this morning, didn't send it to me this morning)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Nice robust flavor...

Low
Slimboli Offline
#30 Posted:
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... that was Steve*R's favorite of the two ISOM coffee's ... Turquino!

It was from 107 in the shade, to 111 degrees in the sun in the inland areas out here in California yesterday ... and it's supposed to be worse today. And it's humid ... thanks to the reminents of the tropical storm that hit Texas is sweeping through here ...

I'm making a pot now ... for 'iced coffee' ... ;^)
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