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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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i didn't see any thread regarding kobe, so i will stat one.

what say you all about anything about kobe.
Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted:
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I think she has set him up good. Kobe could have had sex with a fine woman anytime, anywhere without force.

I'm going with innocent till PROVEN guilty. Its too bad about his reputation being tarnished now. It's gonna really cost him in the end(financially).

His wife is the victim in my opinion.

Mag
JonR Offline
#3 Posted:
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Adultery, he got caught, how many times did he get away with it. Timber another idol falls, in the background the song "Stand By Your Man" plays over and over. Hell, Wilt scored 20,000 women but oh yeah he wasn't married. I love it when the married ones get caught like sqeeky clean Frank Gifford. NEXT ! JonR
Robby Offline
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"I think she has set him up good. Kobe could have had sex with a fine woman anytime, anywhere without force."

Mag, rape isn't about sex, it's about violence, power and domination. Yes, he could afford the finest prostitutes, but does that mean that the only men who rape women are ugly men who couldn't get sex otherwise? Or poor men would couldn't afford to pay a prostitute? Nope, that's not it at all. you'll see plenty of rapists who are for all intents and purposes "normal looking" and of adequate means. To say that he didn't rape her because he has money is not a valid point. People with money commit crimes too. And I for one believe he committed an unspeakable one...
donutboy2000 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Tony Ayala?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted:
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So did Gary Winnick and Kenneth Lay. Before they make room for Kobe, they should take care of those two!
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted:
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"Yes, he could afford the finest prostitutes"

I didnt say that, YOU did. Kobe doesnt need to get prostitutes. Did you see the interview with one of his teamates? He gets more offers from beautiful to have sex, than you could even DREAM of.

Kobe has plenty of power already, what makes you think that the FIRST thing he has EVER done(on record)is rape?

If he had a previous rap sheet of other crimes I might buy it. Not this time, until its proven. Just my opinion....:>)

Mag
usahog Offline
#8 Posted:
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what about Michele Tyson?? it's not who you are its the situation at the time!!!

No Means "No" if your in a heated passion of Lust and she allows you to go so far and then say's NO... No further I can't and you proceed... is it OK because it was a heat of the moment thing?? Hell no you work one off on her lap pull your trousers back up and head out!!! (That would be the Safest thing to do) but most cases especially for a Man... and all that Blood Running to one Brain at a time... their going to try and get what they been working at... Thus: She Yells RAPE... and he's a busted SOB!!!!!!

it's pretty simple

I just feel sorry for all party's involved because there's a clear cut case of waisted Talent and it's also going to ruin a marrage....

Like Grampa Always said... Boy, Keep your Pecker in your pants and you won't get in Trouble!!!

If it has TiT's or Tires it's going to be Trouble!!!

If it Fly's Floats or F#%K's it's cheaper to Rent It!!!

just my 2 1/2 Cents

Laterzzzz
Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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Hog, that's awesome...flies,floats or f*#ks,too much. That my friend is going in my filing cabinet!

Did you see my post "Satisfaction"?
eleltea Offline
#10 Posted:
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Excellent beef, although quite expensive.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
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Robby

if you ar refering to adultery as an unspeakable act, i agree. if you are talking about rape, i was always under the impression a person was innocent until found guilty by a jury of one's peers.

latest info is that the girl overdosed two weeks ago and has some mental problems that contributed to that.
JonR Offline
#12 Posted:
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Rick all that is, is Laker Public Relation Bull**** at least that's what I heard. JonR
donutboy2000 Offline
#13 Posted:
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The Orange County Register reported today that Kobe's accuser tried to commit suicide several weeks ago. First a tryout on American Idol and now suicide. Imagine what the defense will do with that. They will paint her accusation as the ravings of a mad woman.
Tobasco Offline
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Jon, I heard what Rick said on ESPN tonight. I've never quoted them for news, but I havent ever heard bad things about what they report.

I'm sticking with innocent until proven guilty. Too many losers pray on famous people, and put them into very tempting positions constently.

Too many temptations at such a young age, thay have little life experience to fall back on. Some cant handle it, but I think Kobe can.

I realize there are many bad apples in the sports/entertainment industry, but in this case it is a first time.

I feel others have been much worse and get chance after chance to come back, only to repeat the same offences over and over. We dont know yet if he fits this profile.

I say he deserves 1 chance to screw up, he is only human. Now if it happens again, well, I am probably wrong, and he deserves no mercy....:>)

Mag

Robby Offline
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Hey Rick, OJ was found not guilty by a jury of his peers... Do you believe them?
Robby Offline
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Her mental stability is not what is at questions here. What is at question is whether or not she was raped, and there should be physical evidence supporting that claim if it happened. We already know that there's one kind of physical evidence... Now comes, the exam, her nails, bruising, vaginal tearing, the state of the room, etc...

Also, while her mental state is at issue, his past is certainly fair game as well. i.e., if they can produce anyone who says, "yeah, he likes it rough..." that would demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

And Mag, I'm hoping that by "I say he deserves 1 chance to screw up" you don't mean he gets one free rape.

I’m pretty certain of the following;

1. The evidence in the case will show that he did it and is guilty.

2. His defense attorneys will get him off.

This is the problem with our legal system. If I were out there in the hotel and accused of raping this young woman, public sentiment would NOT be on my side and they would throw the book at me. But because;

1. He’s a celebrity.

2. He’s an athletes.

3. He’s African American

They have to tip toe around on egg shells before they even decide if they’re going to prosecute! I was watching the news this morning and the reporter was lamenting the fact that African Americans only comprise .8% in the county where he’s being charged and that could “cause trouble for his ability to get a fair trial”. So in other words, blacks should only sit in judgment of blacks, whites should only sit in judgment of whites, Asians should only sit in judgment of Asians? It’s this sort of crap that fans the flames of division and mistrust in this country in 2003 and will continue to do so in 3003 if we’re still a nation…
Tobasco Offline
#17 Posted:
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Robby, the one break isnt if he raped somebody. Its if all he did was adultery. Dont read into what I say, what you want to hear.

I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously dont know what the hell you are talking about, or just dont like Kobe.

Since niether of us can prove our points, I'm not going to waist my time with you as limoric did. I have better things to do.

Mag
Robby Offline
#18 Posted:
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Are your brests a little sore today Mag?
JonR Offline
#19 Posted:
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Yo Mag and Robby take a time out, lets not get into an argument over what some rich jock may or may not of done. What ticks me off is here is a man gifted with the skills of basketball who received millions of dollars for his skills who has a very beautiful wife and children and still feels he is above adultery. True he has been caught this time but how many other times was he not caught, and lets not forget in the begining he said NOTHING happened. JonR
Mr.Mean Offline
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Is Kobe still a role model?
Robby Offline
#21 Posted:
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heh, very interesting "don't get in to an argument". I have done nothing more than state my opinions and rendered very level headed logic to backup my points of view. Yes, Mike evidently felt that this was some sort of attack, he may be having a bad day, but I'm not "fighting". People can disagree without fighting, more should. (although that sore breast remark could be seen as a thumb in the eye… I just love that one though. It’s intent is to make one consider the emotion of their position rather than a dry detached evaluation of the facts.) it’s an arena of ideas and opinions. I have ideas and opinions. Others do to. I don’t feel threatened by theirs and they shouldn’t feel that from me or anyone else either…
Charlie Offline
#22 Posted:
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He is one of my favorite atheletes and I will not comment until after this has been fully investigated and they have a trial!

Charlie
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I will say that over the weekend I saw a report where they did collect evidence with a "rape kit" and there was some torn clothes. Today it was reported that the girl isn't doing this for money. She wants to see a criminal put in jail.

Tobasco Offline
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Robby, nothing you can do will ever make me feel theatened. I dont get intimited very easily. I just see how you like to debate on and on about any crazy crap. You have NOTHING to back your points.

I dont have time to fool with you or others that cant just except my view and move on. Especially since all you are doing is speculating. This issue isnt really very important. If it was, I'd be in your face to the end, well its not, so I dont care.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
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Oh, my chest is sore this morning. But thats due to a lot of bench pressing yesterday. Lets not bring up breasts. I have a rock hard "mans" chest. How bout you? Kinda soft arent they?...hehehe!!

Mag
Robby Offline
#26 Posted:
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Mag, sorry if my opinions upset you so much. Take a pill, lighten up. I'll continue to profess them enter in to enjoyable debates with folks on the Misc board. I thought that was half the fun?
Robby Offline
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Nothing to back my points other than a young woman (19?) who claims that a man raped her and there is physical evidence which appears to back her claim. Enough so that the DA is seeking an indictment... Yeah, other than that, absolutely nothing...
rasdas Offline
#28 Posted:
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I am a huge Laker fan...and was disappointed in Kobe's behavior after the fact...he could have been a man and fessed up to his adulterous act(s) before he was charged officially...

Could that have hurt his defense...maybe...but not saying anything and hoping it will all go away sure did not help much...

Was it rape or mutually agreed upon???...only him and that 19 year old girl know...

RasDas

Joe
Tobasco Offline
#29 Posted:
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So far the DA hasnt released any of the evidence. Thats what makes it at this point, a he said/she said case. Thats why you have NOTHING but speculation.

The DNA evidence would turn up the same results whether its a rape or concent. Torn clothing doesnt mean jack. She could have done that. Money will make some people do anything to get it.

The "black pass?", hehe...ask Hollywood Henderson or Jim Brown if that worked for them.

This is the last post on this subject, for me. Its not worth my time.

Mag
Robby Offline
#30 Posted:
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He's blood, flesh and bone
No tucks or silicone
He's touch, smell, sight, taste and sound (and grease)
But somehow I can't believe
That anything should happen
I know where I belong
And nothing's gonna happen
'Cause he's so high
High above me, he's so lovely
He's so high, like Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, or Magnifidie…
He's so high, high above me
First class and fancy free
He's high society
He's got the best of everything
What could a guy like me ever really offer?
He's perfect as he can be (rock hard chest and all that…), why should I even bother?
(Chorus)
He posts to speak to me
I freeze immediately
'Cause what he says sounds so unreal
'Cause somehow I can't believe
That anything should happen
I know where I belong
And nothing's gonna happen
(Chorus)
BeatDragon Offline
#31 Posted:
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Robby,

Thats awful...no wonder you never made it as a musician..
Robby Offline
#32 Posted:
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Dragon, I want to send you a tape of my music, then you can judge objectively.
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Robby Offline
#33 Posted:
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Oh nevermind! I think I still have your snailer and a cigar I owe you! I'll send the two off together. Then I'll expect a critique :-)
BeatDragon Offline
#34 Posted:
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Okie Dokie!

Ya know I was just pullin yer chain!

But I still would like to take a listen to yer music.
Eggman Offline
#35 Posted:
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Guess now we know that "Kobe" stands for

Keep On Boffing Everything



eggman
choner Offline
#36 Posted:
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Here's my two cents, (I'm a huge Laker fan)

Before Kobe admitted anything, I believed he did have sex with her, he's human. His image is damaged, but we should never hold famous people above us. And, adultery is not rare, more common then most people would like to believe. (Jordan and Magic both committed it.) Remember, he's an athlete, he puts a ball in a hoop, and gets paid a lot for entertaining us. That's all, nothing more then what we are, he isn't better then us just because he speaks two languages or likes reading poetry. I believe if a celebrity is even semi-smart, the public puts them on this pedestal and blows it out of proportion.

Okay, now on the adultery issue, that's for him and his family to deal with it. On a side note, I have heard rumors that Kobe's wife has had some boyfriends during their marraige too. Its just a rumor, but it was from a decent source. Again take it as serious as you want, it might just be bogus, but if the news breaks with this story, you know where you heard it first. And also, Kobe's father had been against this marriage because he said the two were still too young. They had a slight falling out over this event.

On the rape issue, it will be down to a "he said, she said" ordeal. Their will be two stories. You decide which one is true. The facts that we know are that they had been flirting. She came to his room. They had sexual intercourse. She went the next morning to the authoritives to report the rape.

On another side note, after seeing the evidence and circumstances in the Mike Tyson rape case, I believe that Tyson was innocent. He even refused to settle, and he served his time. His sentence would of been reduced if he bargained, but he was so adamant about his innocense, he did not want her to take money for something he didn't do. I'm not a Tyson fan at all, but if you look at that case, you might have the same conclusion as I. It came down to a "he said, she said thing", and the jury believed her. Remember, she came to his room at 2 o'clock at night after he called her. I hope she wasn't expecting to play scrabble.

With this Kobe case, I'll follow it, but its not going to comsume me, because life goes on. NBA starts with Kobe or without him (but my Lakers would be better off with him). I hope justice is served and the truth found. I hope the girl gets fair treatment in this case, because Kobe is big time and that can hamper the fairness of the trial.

I have heard people complain about the DA and the officers that arrested Kobe, and that Kobe was treated unfairly, thats just b@llsh*t. A 19 year old female reported a rape. The accused is one of the biggest b-ball plaers out there. The DA must take his time with a accusation of this magnitude and this much public interest. He must review the evidence and be sure he can win the case. Kobe was never bothered by the way he was treated. He will now have to convince a jury of his innocence. If he can't, his how life will be turned upside down.

And I think this case might just be settled outside of court. That just might be the best for both parties, but it would be a shame if a crime was actually committed.

choner
Robby Offline
#37 Posted:
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"And, adultery is not rare, more common then most people would like to believe."

choner, if I was a carpenter, and you were a lady? Oh nevermind.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#38 Posted:
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Choner, could you get me courtside tickets? Same section as Jack. I've got this great screenplay for a Chinatown sequel...
cooksta2 Offline
#39 Posted:
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I guess we'll wait and see but the adultery is putting focus off of the subject and attempting to defang the rape charge. The monetary influence and spin is only in the favor of one person involved in this incident. Of course, the defense will seek characer flaws but so will the prosecutors. So, hopefully it will not turn into a media based racial fest of jurors. Either way Kobe' image is affected and will never totally recover even if he is innocent, maybe close, but never fully. Basketball players sure seem to have graabed the most negative press this year. We'll have to wait and see what football brings but it will be hard to beat
Robby Offline
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Carlton Dotson charged with the murder of Patrick Dennehy? How can this be? He's a basketball player, right? They don't commit crimes?
Robby Offline
#41 Posted:
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Jose Canseco in jail! How can this be? He's an athlete!! He could never commit a violent crime!!?? He could pay anyone he wanted to beat them, why would he beat someone in a bar fight!? This is BS!
donutboy2000 Offline
#42 Posted:
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Bet on the Kobe trial at www.sportsbook911.com.
What a great country!
choner Offline
#43 Posted:
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Actually Dr.Maddvibe, I usually sit in the luxury boxes at the Staple Center. But I have occasionally sat a few rows behind Jack. My favorite seats are 8-12 rows up of center court, I think that's the best view of the whole game.

Robby, I take it you are a experienced carpenter.

choner
DrMaddVibe Offline
#44 Posted:
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I was just goofin' on your statement..."My Lakers", but then again...I was thinking Pam Anderson, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos and Maria Ines Rivero could costar with Jack. The working title for the film would be Chinatown II - No Cats On The Street...run it by Jack...
Robby Offline
#45 Posted:
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Old carpenters rule (applied by KOBE so it's not a thread jack).

"If it doesn't fit, FORCE IT! If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway..."
donutboy2000 Offline
#46 Posted:
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Cut to size. Hammer to fit. Paint to match.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#47 Posted:
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i hope i didn't miss someone else posting this.

about a man found innocent of rape because she was on top.
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