Finally got around to trying the 450 last night. Young, to be sure. One-dimensional heavy on the ligero, I think. Not the kick of, say, a Joya Antano. Gonna let 'em sleep until mid-winter and try them again. Overall, certainly good for the price I paid on CBid. Also tried one of the Mayorga Coffee Infused the other day. Nice for a quick smoke at work. Better than any other "flavored" cigar I've tried.