My dear BOTL that 8-5-8 you so kindly left me as at this very moument 1 1/2 in. away from being one of the fondest memories I had in a long long time. This was the most wonderful Cigar I have had in a long time..It is working on burning my fingers as I type but I won't let it go until there is smoke coming from my fingers. hahahahahaha..This is with out question a Cigar that I will devote much time to finding and I won't rest until I have some of them laying to rest in my Humidor..The other one you left and wasn't sure on what it was I think *(After measuring it) was a Cuban Corona by A/F any how thats my guess...I just found out my supplier has the 858's and the my price is awfully good under $95 a box..Hmmmmm I just might have to pick one up , hehehehe. Well I had to just give up on the 858 , it was burning my lips so I got it down to about 3/4 of an inch. *S*.. Once again Thank you very much...TinMan