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New CAO MX2
wwjones44 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2001
Posts: 299
Hope Jon@CAO can help answer this.......
What is the process to get from the idea of a new cigar line until it finally gets to market? Obviously it takes some time, but is it 1 year? 3 years?
What can you share about the new MX2 without telling company secrets? Can you give us some of the things that happen along the way from "idea" to "reality"?
Thanks Jon!
xibbumbero Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
From what I hear,it's a Maduro binder along with a Maduro wrapper. X
plabonte Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2000
Posts: 2,131
Thats an interesting question and I'd be curious to know the answer too. Who comes up with the idea, who taste tests it, do you make a sample production and release it to the public to taste test and get their feedback?
BeatDragon Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-28-2003
Posts: 4,754
Definitely a Naduro wrapper. I know this because I have one sitting next to me as I type!

Beauty of a cigar...

Funky big double connected band tho...strange
Slimboli Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
I don't know about the new CAO, but to give you an example ...

... the Bucanero 'Z' was 7 years in the works ...
xibbumbero Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
And me gots a box enroute....Whoo Hoo. X :~)
tommyt99 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 04-16-2003
Posts: 167
Don't believe this 1 to 3 year nonsense. Thats all part of the sale pitch they want us to think so they can keep the price up for as long as possible. Its usually just a couple of higher up sitting around drinking trying to think up new ways to make additional money for themselves. If they happen to have a stable scource of binder and wrap, they simply mix it together and think up some new cockimaney name and add a little intrigue to it and hope for the moola to roll in.
wwjones44 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2001
Posts: 299
Jon replied to me in an e-mail, here is what he said. I also asked a few follow up questions, I will post his reply when I get it.......

Well, the 'reader's digest' condensed version of the story goes like this...

The 'idea' was born during a sales meeting in 2002. At that time, the idea was simply a suggestion for a CAO 'double maduro' cigar line. From that point forward, it took the better part of an entire year to develop the blend, packaging (boxes & bands), etc. We went through a myriad of different wrapper/binder/filler combos before we finally narrowed it down to 'Liga A' and 'Liga B.' From that point, we not only evaluated the two 'finalist' blends in-house, but also sent them out to some CAO 'focus groups,' as well. The end result was the birth of CAO MX2.

Initially, we did not purposefully seek to have a cigar with SIX different countries represented in the blend, however, after putting together all of the endless 'cocktails' of w/b/f combos, we found that what worked best for what we had in mind as the final taste was the combination of a Connecticut Broadleaf maduro wrapper, a Brazilian maduro binder, and a filler comprised of tobaccos from Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic and Peru. That particular combo yielded the rich, chocolate-y/spicey/complex flavor we were after. Our intent was NOT to make an "a$$-kicker" cigar that was one-dimensional (mostly black pepper) - but rather, we wanted something that was flavorful and a joy to smoke - NOT a 'challenge' to get through.

Hope this all made sense and gave you some insight to the MX2 story...
plabonte Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2000
Posts: 2,131
Thanks for posting that wwjones.

I think its really cool that Jon takes the time to visit these boards and send e-mails to stay in contact with his customers.
Homebrew Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
Posts: 11,885
My Question is,
How to you get to be a part of the CAO Focus group?????? I focus on their products alot. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Can't wait to try the new MX2, probly drag me away from the CAO Ann. Mad, Beli.
wwjones44 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2001
Posts: 299
I asked Jon a few more questions , here they are along with his response. Good stuff...

So you used existing tobacco and just "blended" several types, as opposed to developing a new leaf specifically for this cigar?

How did you decide on the shape selection, more specifically why only 3 to start? IS that common practice for CAO? If I remember correctly the Brazilia line had 3 shapes to start.

How can I be come a member of the "Focus group" to help with testing your next new cigar?

JON'S RESPONSE: As a manufacturer, we do not "develop" any new leaves/tobacco - that is left for the farmers whose sole purpose is to grow, develop and cultivate tobacco. That said, the blending process can incorporate "existing" tobacco and often times we will seek out new types of tobacco to complete the blend/flavor we are ultimately looking for; case in point: we utilized Peruvian tobacco for the first time in the MX2.

We have very good relationships with the biggest and best tobacco growers (farmers) in the business. As a result, they will often approach us with something unique or special from which we may choose to use in a particular CAO product. For example, we were approached last year with an extremely tasty crop of Connecticut Broadleaf (maduro) that was a 1999 harvest - '99 was arguably one of the best years for this strain of wrapper leaf. We ended up purchasing a very large supply of that wrapper leaf and are using it on our CAO L'Anniversaire Maduro line, produced at CAO Fabrica de Tabacos (Esteli, Nicaragua).

Typically, we will launch a line with 3-4 shapes. This is done so as not to oversaturate the market with a brand new product. This also leaves room to 'pace' that line with future size/shape extensions. For example, we launched Brazilia in 2001 with (3) sizes. Since then, we've added the Piranha and most recently, the Ipanema.

As far as being selected for a CAO 'focus group' goes, this is one of those "don't-call-us-we'll-call-you" sorts of things. I don't mean offence by this, however, we have a core of smokers who we've reached out to over the years whose pallets are established and whose knowledge of tobacco is vast.


xibbumbero Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
Sounds good to me. X
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