ok Jazzman I sent the pacage off to Robert Martinez last Friday i dont know how long it willtake. I marked it "Personal Sundries" and of course the lady at the PO sked my wife to list WHAT kind?? I guess the Manhattan Beach PO is just one tought cookie. Have a good week Bro's off to camp witht ewife and kids for a wekk.....what ever happened to Lowmans Pass?????