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Why I love Fox "News"
jdrabinski Offline
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This is TOO hilarious...

A federal judge in Manhattan told Fox News yesterday that it had to learn how to take a joke. Then he rejected the network's request for an injunction to block the satirist Al Franken from using the words "fair and balanced" on the cover of his book, "Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right."

Calling the motion "wholly without merit, both factually and legally," the judge, Denny Chin of United States District Court, said that a person would have to be "completely dense" not to realize the cover was a joke, and that trademark protection for the phrase "Fair and Balanced" was unrealistic because the words are so commonly used.

Lawyers for Mr. Franken and his publisher, Penguin Group (USA), called the ruling a victory for the First Amendment. Mr. Franken was not in court.

"I never really had any doubt," he said in a telephone interview, calling the ruling "a victory for satirists everywhere, even the bad ones. In addition to thanking my own lawyers, I'd like to thank Fox's lawyers for filing one of the stupidest briefs I've ever seen in my life."

The Fox court papers had referred to Mr. Franken, a former "Saturday Night Live" writer and performer and an unabashed liberal, as a "parasite" who appeared shrill, unstable and "increasingly unfunny."

The network could appeal the decision. "We are considering our options," said Paul Schur, a Fox spokesman. "We don't care if it's Al Franken, Al Lewis or Weird Al Yankovic. We're here to protect our trademark and our talent."

If anything, the lawsuit only benefited Mr. Franken. His book had been scheduled for release in September, but the publicity caused the publisher to print an extra 50,000 copies, for a total of 435,000, and to roll the book out on Thursday.

After the ruling yesterday, it moved to the No. 1 spot on the best-seller list at amazon. com.

The network filed for the injunction on Aug. 11. Fox News Network trademarked the phrase "Fair and Balanced" in 1998 to describe its news coverage, and network lawyers claimed that Mr. Franken's use of the phrase in his book would "blur and tarnish" it.

Fox also objected to the use of a picture of Bill O'Reilly, one of its prominent news personalities, on the cover, claiming that it could be mistaken as an endorsement of the book.

But these arguments were met by laughter in the crowded courtroom, as Fox tried to defend its signature slogan. Part of the network's burden was to prove that Mr. Franken's use of the phrase "fair and balanced" would lead to consumer confusion.

One round of laughter was prompted when Judge Chin asked, "Do you think that the reasonable consumer, seeing the word `lies' over Mr. O'Reilly's face would believe Mr. O'Reilly is endorsing this book?"

The giggling continued as Dori Ann Hanswirth, a lawyer for Fox, replied, "To me, it's quite ambiguous as to what the message is here."

She continued, "It does not say `parody' or `satire.' "

Ms. Hanswirth said Fox's "signature slogan" was also blurred, because people who were not associated with the network, which owns the Fox News Channel, also appear on the cover with Mr. O'Reilly.

Judge Chin said, "The president and the vice president are also on the cover. Is someone going to consider that they are affiliated with Fox?"

The courtroom broke into laughter again.

Ms. Hanswirth replied, "It's more blurring, your honor."

After more discussion about what was and what was not satire, and about the definition of "parody," Judge Chin decided that Mr. Franken's work was of "artistic value."

"Parody is a form of artistic expression protected by the First Amendment," he said. "The keystone to parody is imitation. In using the mark, Mr. Franken is clearly mocking Fox."

He said Mr. Franken's work was "fair criticism."

Judge Chin said the case was an easy one, and chided Fox for bringing its complaint to court. The judge said, "Of course, it is ironic that a media company that should be fighting for the First Amendment is trying to undermine it."
Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted:
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Who cares?...not me...there are more important issues in the world to dwell on, than petty crap like this...

Mag
Robby Offline
#3 Posted:
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That Franken guy is off the deep end...
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted:
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Franken's book sales are up....
Fox News' rates are up....

Seems like a marriage of convenience.
At least they're both fair and balanced.
Mr.Mean Offline
#5 Posted:
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It's all a show and both sides win. No harm, no foul, but is a waste of time for the judicial system.
gorob23 Offline
#6 Posted:
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yea only a waste of our money and the system.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted:
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Why are you back here?
donutboy2000 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Ditto
xibbumbero Offline
#9 Posted:
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Why are you here DMV or DB? My guess is that it's a free country. That's why JD's back. X
jdrabinski Offline
#10 Posted:
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Mike said his blood pressure was low, so asked me back to up the flow...ha ha. (Trying to have a laugh at history, folks).

Yeah, the whole free country thing. Thanks, X.

I found the story funny, but also troubling for the very reason the judge noted: a major media outlet soliciting the court in order to undercut basic constitutional freedoms. It would be 100% funny if it wasn't 20% scary. The very idea...that was truly an attempt at censorship! Lucky for us, quickly laughed out of the courts...

Damn liberal judges!

John
Tobasco Offline
#11 Posted:
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1st off, you and I arent on a first name basis anymore. 2nd, I never spoke to you, so dont make like we did. I'll leave it at that...

Mag
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
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What's the matter Johnny? Run out of people to cry and whine too?

Tell us again about all those horrible names that were heaped on you.

Tell us again about how you don't like it here and you're never coming back.

Tell us about all the mints you've been buying!

1st class schmuck is what YOU are!

Fraud too!
Robby Offline
#13 Posted:
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You guys are too hard...
Robby Offline
#14 Posted:
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heheheh "Mr. Nafide"!
Tobasco Offline
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Robby, you have seen me get into it before. I think I'm being nice and mellow(so far)....

Mag
Robby Offline
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HEY! WE'RE NOT ON A FIRST NAME BASIS! Ammm errr, well, I guess we are!! :-)
xibbumbero Offline
#17 Posted:
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DMV..Blah blah blah blah. Geezus. X
Tobasco Offline
#18 Posted:
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Doc

You are a very wise man my friend... ;>)

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted:
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Good post Jdrabinski, LMAO!!
jdrabinski Offline
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Happy to see that peculiar brand of cbid hostility is still in effect, attacking the person and not the issue.

In an ever-changing and dangerous world, it is good to know that I can count on Mike and DMV for some of their downhome, traditional, salt-of-the-earth irrationality.

Thanks, boys!

John (never really went by Johnny, except my dear mother when I was a wee boy)
Tobasco Offline
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No problem Jackasski...no problem at all...

Mag
choner Offline
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hmmmm....i never heard the term jackasski before, i must look it up in the dictionary.... nope...not there.

You guys got to be more civil. Just let people post and its your choice to read it or not. If you see that its someone you don't like that posted it, don't open it. Its that simple.

I thought the post is funny, FOX deserves that.

choner
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted:
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With the "games" you like to play...I don't think you're a grown-up. You're Johnny.

Actually I'm surprised you have the balls to show up here, especially after your last bender!
Tobasco Offline
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I'm not directing anything towards you choner, so but out...

Mag
osage Offline
#25 Posted:
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The trademark was registered by Fox. A trademark is a trademark no matter what a frikkin liberal judge says. If it had been "just do it" I bet the judge would have not made the same decision.
cwilhelmi Offline
#26 Posted:
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The fact that they were able to trademark that phrase is retarded!! Pretty soon they'll be no more phrases to use...
choner Offline
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Mag, I'm just trying to keep this board civil. And I thought the word "jackasski" was funny. I'm not trying to take any shots at anyone, just trying to be fair to everyone who wants to be in this board and participate. If I offended you in anyway, I'm sorry. But I didn't find anything I said was wrong. Just wanted to remind some of the rules of these boards, where post are not allowed which are " disparaging an individual".

choner
Robby Offline
#28 Posted:
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fair and ballanced?
mrtelcom Offline
#29 Posted:
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Slim leaves for a vacation and look what happens.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#30 Posted:
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jdrabinski

nice to see your name again. i for one welcome all diverse opinions. look at what i have to put up with when i post my commie-pinko, left wing, liberal, ccrap.

i even have a new chap on my ass. he even shouted at me.

i hope his god has not forsaken kurt warner. i wasn't sure how to spell that word so i typed into my dictionary "foresaken" i got two hits, forsaken and foreskin. very biblical.
eleltea Offline
#31 Posted:
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Why does a difference of opinion have to result in ad hominem attacks, such as Franken is a schmuck?

Looks like my hero O'Reilly took one on the Chin.
BMW Offline
#32 Posted:
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I had a girlfriend that used to take it on the chin because she didn't like to........sorry, back to your discussion.
Tobasco Offline
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I've taken out the garbage before, but its never come back...this is a first time...

Mag
xibbumbero Offline
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Actually once the garbage took itself out,but alas it came back,LOL. X
Tobasco Offline
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Good one X ! At least you know garbage when you see it...hehe!

Mag
xibbumbero Offline
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That's a big 10-4,LMAO. X
Robby Offline
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Rick, if I brought the hand rails, is there room for more?
jdrabinski Offline
#38 Posted:
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Osage...why did you assume the judge is a liberal?

Mike...are you referring to me as garbage? Funny, this coming from a muffler salesman.

"Some examples of unreasonable messages may include the use of profanity, advertising or commercial purposes, competing web sites, or disparaging an individual, a race or religion, a company, or website."

Are you working toward covering all of these eventuallly? You've got a couple down already.

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted:
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Should I break out my hanky and start crying for you yet Johnny?

Bawhahahahaha!
Tobasco Offline
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Hehehe! Things sure are smelly around here.

Well, I own a transmission repair facility. Whats funny is that you really think you are a person that is important in society. Your not.

In fact, If every one that does what you do, stoppped, NOBODY would even notice. But, not all teachers, just the ones that teach your subject, its not necessary to know, to earn a living.

If my profession stopped doing our part for this society, the wheels of the nation would slow to a screaching hault. EVERYONE would notice.

So if the waste can fits, wear it. I think it fits you real nice...

Mag
Tobasco Offline
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I meant to say you're not...
jdrabinski Offline
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Mike, the depth of your understanding of culture is inspiring. A world of Meineke shop owners...what a wonderful vision...a world without books or art or ideals or cultural literacy or profound thinking...

Lovely, really. Or at least free from bad muffler noise (a good thing, in my book).

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Don't make it sound like you're teaching elementary education Johnny! Last I knew you were "teaching" Philosophy, has that changed? If not, then I think Mike is right. The world could give two flips about pre-Socratic thinkers that antagonized everyone with their compartmentalization and vague thoughts of knowledge.

Art and Literature were broken from the teachings of Philosophy centuries ago. Now if you still have the compelling need to teach college students how to read and draw while mixing in hemlock swilling wiseasses, then Mike's wrong.

Sob,sob what name will they heap on you today? Everyone, all together....Boo-frickety-hoo!
cwilhelmi Offline
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Regardless of who any of us are or what we do, I find it laughable that you would mock Philosophy as being worthless. The increased mental development and new horizons opened up by expanding ones mind through new ways of thinking based on past philosophers and doctrines is quite valuable and necessary to this world.

And at the same time, I find it abhorrent to mock the machinist, the transmission repair shop owner, the janitor or any other profession for that matter. All are necessary and work together to meet the needs of our incredible country, otherwise they wouldn’t exist!!

I'm disgusted by the disdain and utter lack of respect being shown throughout this post, you should all be ashamed of yourselves! It's one thing to have individual differences, that's completely normal and expected amongst a large group of people. It's another to talk down to each other and act like school children with worthless personal attacks.

You might say I'm on my high horse here, but I don't care...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I'd have to say 99.99% of the time you'd be right Chris, but not with Johnny.

Take your own advice!
jdrabinski Offline
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For anyone who is actually interested in the putatie 'irrelevance' of things like Philosophy, check out some of these standard readings:

http://www.collegenews.org/x2726.xml

http://www.uca.edu/divisions/academic/libart/career.htm

or, an excerpt from Fortune magazine:

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/cla/advising/faq/fortune.html

Chris, I agree that this thread has been, perhaps predictably, disrespectful. I was hoping for something different, but I have enough self-respect to defend myself after being called 'garbage.' Even if that means stooping to their level. Fight fire with fire.

By the way, of course I am still teaching philosophy. I actually have a year off for research (in case DMV is really interested) to write a new book. Sorry to disappoint those who were cheering that I am unemployed!

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Where do you want me to send the crayons?
cwilhelmi Offline
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DMV - take my own advice? How so?

I have never disparaged someone on this board for their job, socio-economic standing or anything else that I can think of (there was the incident with tailgater which was not really a personal attack, yet it turned bad and I apologized profusely for it and it was put behind us). I will attack people's actions, but never their person.
funjohnny19 Offline
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To all on this thread.......

Fellas - We all get the point.....Some of you guys don't like each other!! That's great!! Most who read these boards know this already, but by constantly going back and forth with every post, all you are doing is arguing for the sake of arguing. GROW UP!! If you guys hate each other that much, then meet by the swing-set after school and have at it, playground-style. Hell, I'll even be the referee!!

But, seriously......somebody step up and be the bigger man here. It's not hard. I challenge one of you to do that.

Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.
Tobasco Offline
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Chris, why dont you and your girlfriend 'ski' get a room together...or, better yet, just mind you own business!

Its obvious that his only intent on returning is to stir up crap again. A 'real' professor wouldnt be like this. What a phoney!

Mag
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