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H.R. 2579 Oppose this bill
Homebrew Offline
#1 Posted:
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I just finished sending the following in a letter to both my representative, in Congress, and my senator, though the senete bill is Senate 1421.

This letter is to ask you to please oppose, any such legislation, which proposes to do anything like this.


HR 2579
Senate 1421

Section 3 a

(2) LOCATION OF PRODUCTS- A retailer of cigars shall ensure that all cigars are located in areas where customers do not have direct access to the cigars.
(3) FACE-TO-FACE TRANSACTIONS- A cigar retailer may sell cigars to the ultimate consumer only in a direct, face-to-face exchange and may not make sales through vending machines, mail-order sales, or the Internet.

Section 2 bans all walkin humidors
Section 3 bans all mail order

I currently live in a rural location. The closest cigarshop, in Russellville, is 35 miles away. While I do frequent Mr. Davis, both his smokeshop and pet store, he doesn't have alot of my favorites. Therefore, I must rely on mailorder, or internet sales.
I Love where I live, but it is somewhat remote, and without the internet, I would have to travel, outside of the state, to purchase many of the cigars I buy for special occasions, trading among friends, and to send to our warriors around the Globe, most recently IRAQ.
As far as section 2 is concerned, I am opposed to closing walk-in humidors. Part of the fun, for me at least, in cigar shopping is the selection process. Feeling the cigar, feeling the heft, is it tightly packed and dense, or is it loose and spongy? and oh the smell of the spanish cedar married with the tobacco smells. I agree, to a ban on anyone under 21 either buying tobacco products, or being in a store where tobacco products are within reach. Just because I love tobacco, is no reason to indoctrinate the young. I am honest with the kids, and try to explain addiction to them.
Ban kids from smokeshops, don't ban me from the humidor.
I'm sure taxes are the reason for the proposed outlawing of internet tobacco sales, but there has to be another way, to collect those taxes. Please explore those avenues before banning internet sales.
Thankyou for your time
David W. Camp

Hey everybody, Please do the same.
Thanks
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
mrtelcom Offline
#2 Posted:
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I can see the issue with mail order... not that I agree with it.

But wtf do you hope to accomplish by banning humoidors? Just make them like bars, no one under 18 unless accompanied by an adult or the owner gets fined or something.

sheesh.
THL Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-22-2002
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Jeez, I despise this do-gooder crap.
TinMan51 Offline
#4 Posted:
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DANG This bill if passed would put me pretty much out of business (Internet amount of Business 55% + )
and worest of all it would put C-Bid out also..This is one place I shop for my business.. MY LETTER ONTHE WAY TO MY SENATOR thats for Dang sure.. Stop ad think about people if this is slipped through then C-Bid is NO More and CI would also be out on it's ear and so would little ohhhhhhhhh me. www. Fooled ya .com
Though I was going to put down my addy didn't ya..This OLD Dog has learnt and besides Slim is gone and it just wouldn't be any fun.. Hehehehe.. This is a very important bill to be heard about if we want to continue to be able to buy Great product at reasonable prices and be able to Trade with our friends.. That alone would kill me not being able to trade in here..Every One Help out by sending a letter Please.. And don't pay attention to those who bad mouth doing this they are the types that sit back and let some one else fight the battles for them all the time.. I think they are called Republicans... ROTFLMAO... I was just Joking People NO rebuttle needed.. We Need to ALL band together over this.... My2cents .....TinMan
Robby Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
7 Bills from the 108th Congress ranked by relevance on"cigar ".

7 bills containing your phrase exactly as entered.



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Listing of 7 bills containing your phrase exactly as entered.

1 . Tobacco Equity Elimination Act of 2003 (Introduced in House)[H.R.245.IH]
2 . Tobacco Market Transition Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate)[S.1490.IS]
3 . Tobacco Market Transition Act (Introduced in House)[H.R.986.IH]
4 . Tobacco Livelihood and Economic Assistance for our Farmers Act (Introduced in House)[H.R.140.IH]
5 . Consolidated Appropriations Resolution, 2003 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)[H.J.RES.2.ENR]
6 . Resolved, That the resolution from the House of Representatives (H.J. Res. 2) entitled `Joint resolution making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2003, and for other... (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)[H.J.RES.2.EAS]
7 . Making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2003, and for other purposes. (Public Print)[H.J.RES.2.PP]


No 2579?
al'Thor Offline
#6 Posted:
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Robby, you beat me to it. I just pulled up the HR 2579 and this is the title:

To amend the Trade Act of 1974 to establish procedures for identifying countries that deny market access for agricultural products of the United States, and for other purposes.

read through section 3 and it didn't have anything about tobacco.

Dave, do you have a source??
Robby Offline
#7 Posted:
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I found a 2579, but when I search it, I don't see the words "cigar", "tobacco", or "Internet"

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.2579.IH:
al'Thor Offline
#8 Posted:
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S. 1421 Alaska Native Allotment Subdivision Act
Robby Offline
#9 Posted:
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Also, if you go to:
http://thomas.loc.gov/

You can do a key word search on all legislation. I typed in "humidor" and found zero responses... Sounds like a bogus email maybe?
mrtelcom Offline
#10 Posted:
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Maybe this is a state bill somewhere? not federal?
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted:
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Hold on, let me find the link to the full bill.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew Offline
#12 Posted:
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Hold on, let me find the link to the full bill.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew Offline
#13 Posted:
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Cigars Are No Safe Alternative Act (Introduced in the House)

HR 2579 IH


106th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2579
To impose restrictions on the sale of cigars.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 21, 1999
Mr. MARKEY (for himself, Ms. DEGETTE, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. LUTHER, Mr. INSLEE, Ms. PELOSI, and Mr. MCGOVERN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Commerce



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A BILL
To impose restrictions on the sale of cigars.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Cigars Are No Safe Alternative Act'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:

(1) Available scientific evidence demonstrates that regular cigar smoking causes cancer, including cancers of the lip, tongue, mouth, throat, esophagus, larynx, and lung.

(2) That same evidence demonstrates that heavy cigar smokers and those who inhale deeply are at an increased risk of coronary heart disease and can develop chronic lung diseases.

(3) Cigar use in the United States has risen dramatically over the last 5 years. Small cigar consumption has increased by an estimated 13 percent, large cigar consumption has increased by an estimated 70 percent, and premium cigar consumption has increased by an estimated 250 percent.

(4) Demographic evidence strongly suggests that most new cigar users are teenagers and young adult males. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1997 Youth Risk Behavior Survey indicates that among high school students over 30 percent of the males and 10 percent of the females are current cigar smokers.

(5) Smoking cigars is not a safe alternative to smoking cigarettes. Compared to a cigarette, a large cigar emits up to 20 times more ammonia, 5 to 10 times more cadmium (cancer causing metal) and methylethylnitrosamine (cancer causing agent), and up to 80 to 90 times more highly carcinogen-tobacco-specific-nitrosamines. Tar yields are 2 to 3 times greater for a cigar than for a filter cigarette and nicotine yields are 9 to 12 times greater for a cigar than for a filter cigarette.

SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON DISTRIBUTION TO YOUTH.

(a) SALES AND DISTRIBUTION-

(1) GENERAL RULE- No person may sell or distribute a cigar to any individual who is under the age of 18.

(2) LOCATION OF PRODUCTS- A retailer of cigars shall ensure that all cigars are located in areas where customers do not have direct access to the cigars.

(3) FACE-TO-FACE TRANSACTIONS- A cigar retailer may sell cigars to the ultimate consumer only in a direct, face-to-face exchange and may not make sales through vending machines, mail-order sales, or the Internet.

(b) STATE LAWS- The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall take such action as may be appropriate to assure that States are in compliance with section 1926(a) of the Public Health Service Act with respect to the sale of cigars to minors.

(c) MARKETING AND ADVERTISING-

(1) GENERAL RULE- The Federal Trade Commission shall impose such restrictions on the sale, advertising, distribution, and marketing of cigars directed at youth as may be appropriate to limit the sale of cigars to individuals who are 18 or older.

(2) ELECTRONIC MEDIA- Cigars may not be advertised on electronic media, including television, radio, and any other form of electronic communication subject to the jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission.

(d) SPONSORSHIP- The manufacturers of cigars which engage in the practice of paying for, or participating in, the placement of cigars in movies and on television where a substantial segment of the viewing audience is under the age of 18 shall report to the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Federal Trade Commission each time that occurs.

SEC. 4. HEALTH WARNINGS.

The Federal Trade Commission, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shall require such health warnings on the labels of cigars and on cigar boxes or other packaging as may be appropriate to warn cigar users about the health risks presented by cigars.

SEC. 5. STUDIES AND REPORTS.

(a) SECRETARY'S STUDY-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall conduct a study--

(A) to determine the health effects of occasional cigar smoking, nicotine dependence demonstrated by cigar smokers, biological uptake of toxic and carcinogenic constituents of cigars, and environmental cigar smoke exposure; and

(B) to determine the yields of tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, and any other additive designated by the Secretary in cigar smoke.

Manufacturers of cigars shall report to the Secretary on the yields of tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, and any other additive designated by the Secretary from cigars when smoked.

(2) REPORT- Not later than 3 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall transmit a report to the President and to Congress containing--

(A) findings from the cigar health and constituent yield study required under paragraph (1); and

(B) such recommendations for legislation or administrative actions as the Secretary deems appropriate.

The Secretary shall update such report annually thereafter and make the same transmittal of the updated report.

(b) FTC REPORT- Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act and biennially thereafter, the Federal Trade Commission shall transmit a report to the President and to Congress containing--

(1) a description of the current sales, advertising, and marketing practices associated with cigars; and

(2) such recommendations for legislation or administrative actions as it deems appropriate.

SEC. 6. MONITORING TRENDS IN YOUTH ACCESS TO CIGARS.

The Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Federal Trade Commission and the Secretary of the Treasury, shall monitor trends in youth access to, and use of, cigars. If evidence suggests that cigars are inappropriately accessible to children and adolescents as a result of differential tax and regulatory treatment, sales and marketing practices of cigar manufacturers, changes in consumer tastes, or any other reason, the Secretary shall immediately notify Congress and make such recommendations for adjusting tax rates or other legislative or administrative action necessary to ensure that cigars cease to be an attractive alternative to cigarettes for children and adolescents.

SEC. 7. DEFINITION.

As used in this Act the term `cigar' means any roll of tobacco wrapped in leaf tobacco or in any substance containing tobacco, including small cigars that weigh less than 3 pounds per thousand and large cigars that weigh more than 3 pounds per thousand and cigar rolling papers.

Homebrew Offline
#14 Posted:
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oooopppps
I was wrong, just reread it, looked at what congress it was in, Boy the egg is on my face, followed a way outdated link.
Sorry
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Interesting group of sponsers though.
al'Thor Offline
#15 Posted:
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That's what I was wondering - who did sponsor it? (which congress?)
al'Thor Offline
#16 Posted:
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piece of crap, got in a hurry and didn't read above - sorry...
al'Thor Offline
#17 Posted:
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Man, without slim - EVERYTHING just goes to hell!!
Homebrew Offline
#18 Posted:
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Yep,
Without Slim around, even my research goes to hell.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
HockeyDad Offline
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"Mr. MARKEY (for himself, Ms. DEGETTE, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. LUTHER, Mr. INSLEE, Ms. PELOSI, and Mr. MCGOVERN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Commerce"


Bill Sponsors:

Congressman Edward Markey, Massachusetts, Democrat
COngresswoman Diana Dette, Colorado, Democrat
Congressman Michael Capuano, Massachusetts, Democrat
Congressman Bill Luther, Minnesota, Democrat (Not reelected)
Congressman Jay Inslee, Washington, Democrat
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, California, Democrat
Congresman James McGovern, Massachusetts, Democrat


The Democratic Party, fighting to eliminate CigarBid for you!
usahog Offline
#20 Posted:
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Where the Hell is Spiney hiding??? usually he picks up the slack when slims not around???

1999 thats back when Our Government was after everyone in America!!!

Janet Reno and the Mob Squad going after modern day citizens with guns drawn... and slick willy was letting Osama Bin Ladin build his network of Terrorism while he cut deals with the chinese (nuke secrets for Campain Contrabutions) in the Lincoln Bedroom and gave the Monica Lewinski Churchill Cigar off to the President of Egypt on his visit to the White House... about the Same year Willie Nelson Smoked a couple Joints on the roof of the White House and then Ventured on down to the Pizza Party in the Oval Office Cuz he got the Munchies!!!!

Sure Glad this Bill didn't go anywhere!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#21 Posted:
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Missed your Post Hockydad!!!

I was going to add that they (sponsers) were all Demacrats.... and to have this Pass and eliminate CBid would have caused a Major Revolt in this Country...

course then again GWB probably would have Won the 2000 elections Hands Down both EC and People as a whole!!!

LMAO!!!!
Hog
osage Offline
#22 Posted:
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HR2579 is an agriculture bill that doesn't even mention tobacco and SB1421 doesn't exist. Where did this info come from?
osage Offline
#23 Posted:
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Go to the following web site and read HR2579.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html
usahog Offline
#24 Posted:
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Osage, go to 106th Congress on that page type in HR2579.. you'll find it there and it was and is Dead in the Water... unless it sneaks by added onto the Agriculter bill??? I know they can add and remove allot of crap onto these bill's but I've been out of touch with exactly how?? HockyDad??? LoL

Hog
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