I don't know... part of me likes the whole experience of digging in my humi and discovering a treasure that you forgot was in there. Plus.. I'm lazy.... maybe once I get a stash like some of the seniors here, then it will become necessary... but it will take more than a couple coolers to make me do that much work...by the way, Jay... I can't remember if I have any 858's... but I'm pretty sure I don't, so maybe you should send me some (I heard you had a few)...