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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 2:00 PM EST
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we've discussed the Flags, the Ten Commandments, States Right's over Federal...

what's everone's take on this Issue sweeping the Nation? Same Sex Marrages and the Defence of Marriage Act... each State has one and the Federal Government also has their Own... in each State/ Most are to Mirror similarity to the Federal Act passed down... now coming to Terms... whats your Take on this issue??

Hog
mrtelcom Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 2:03 PM EST
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I am just sick of paying the marriage tax(es)!!
choner Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 2:35 PM EST
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I don't really care what sexual orientation you are if you want to devote your love and life to another person.

I'm not religious so I'm not in the same boat as some who believe that God intended a marriage to be a Union between One man and One woman. Hell, I believe if you want to get married to more then one person, and everyone is fine with that, then more power to you.

People shouldn't care if same sex marriages occur, if you really want something to worry about, look at high divorce rates (close to 55%). People are getting married, promising in front of their family, their friends, and their god that they will love and cherish their spouse for the rest of their life. So what is more threatinging to the foundations of marriage, that two people of the same sex want to get married, or more then half of all marriages in the USA end up in divorce. Think about it.

choner
0patience Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 4:53 PM EST
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Oh man,
I just got hammered because I posted my thoughts elsewhere. At least this post is in an appropriate area. :)
I'll pass on any further comment. I've grown to like you folks, would hate to get hammered here. :(
Robby Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 5:07 PM EST
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"Silence is acceptance..."

What irks me is the way husbands are ABUSED when wives decide, ok, I'm tired of you, so I'm going to take a maple syrup tap, shove it up your ass, and try to milk some money out of you for the next 18 years... And they're favored. They get "the benefit of the doubt". Why shouldn’t this be reviewed/considered more on a case-by-case basis? A man can raise a child just a well as a woman. But men get screwed, blued, and tattooed. It's not right...
usahog Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 5:15 PM EST
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Robbie, Sounds like your dealing with that Dreaded Child Support thing again!!! and the Ex found out you seem to be happy in your new life... but Bro this ain't the Thread for that one... We need a seperate B!tch thread for "Dead Beat Dad's Against Minority Classed Women Thread" LMAO!!!!

this is actually whats happening in America Today with the Same Sex Marrages Spreading Across the Plains!!! and how your thoughts are to it... I see Choner has responded...

Hog
0patience Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 5:15 PM EST
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Robby, trust me, I don't accept it.
It irks me that they have pushed it in our state to the point where they get favortism.
Now, they have it to where they have domestic partner insurance. They don't have to be married or anything, but they can change partners every 3 months and their partner is covered.
My wife and I were together for 3 years before we got married. One of the deciding factors of having the paper was the insurance and the tax break.
Next, they will be wanting the tax break too.
Man, I better shut up.
Robby Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 5:41 PM EST
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Actually Hog, the current told me she was unhappy and left (parents) with the baby (6 months) and is filing. And, said it's "ireconcilable". Nothing I can say or do. Counceling? No! Sober as a Baptist minister? No! Burn all of my cigars and the Ploomidor in the back yard? No! Just a big steaming pile of guano and a spoon...
usahog Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 6:16 PM EST
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Robbie, Sorry to hear the News Bro!!!

don't hire a Lawyer they'll only Hose you in the Long Run!!! do a Pro SE and hit the Internet Books!!!!

I got some web sites if you need em!!!

and I can tell ya from Experience you ain't gunna find anything at the bottom of a Bottle Bro!!!

ya got my email....

Hog
choner Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 6:33 PM EST
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Hey Robby,
Sorry to hear that. Woman do get favoritism in our courts and laws concerning that stuff. And from friends experiences and what I have seen, its a shame that men aren't treated equal in that way. Good Luck, and if you ever need some smokes, just send me an e-mail.

choner
choner13 at yahoo dot com
0patience Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2003, 7:00 PM EST
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Robby,
When I was 19, I got married and it lasted 10 months. She was pregnant when we got married and it was pretty much the same type of thing. She left, took the kid and headed for her parents.
I accepted it and just wanted the divorce done. DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE!
I let her take everything, a house that was almost paid for, the furniture and everything else.
My sister took her to the city where they had a good ol' time on the credit cards.
By the time they got done, I was $20k in the hole and I was a mess.
Now, that may all sound bad, but the good thing of it is, the gal I am married to now, we were going out in high school and we'd have hooked up, but trips to Alaska and back irritated her. Anyway, my other sister got us back together after the divorce and we've been married for 16 years now after a few years of just being together.

My point to this long winded BS is, some things happen for a reason, while it may not be clear and evident.
I hope the best for you.
al'Thor Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 4:19 AM EST
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I'm against same sex marriage... my wife and I like to experiment with all types of sex...
plabonte Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 5:02 AM EST
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LOL al'Thor. I think there is more to same sex marriage then just do you love each other. For instance insurance companies have a rate for husband and wife coverage. This is based (in theory) on the average costs of covering a man and woman. Everyone knows that the cost of covering a woman of child bearing age is less expensive then a man of the same age on average. So now if same sex marriages are allowed insurance companies are going to have to come out with a male/male rate and a female/female rate. This is just one aspect.

But if you allow same sex marriages will you also allow multiple partner marriages as choner brings up? Will you allow marriage between relatives (brother/sister or cousins)? This is a big flood door to open.
SP Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 5:03 AM EST
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Tri-sexual, try anything once....lol
HarleyDave Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 6:06 AM EST
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plabonte,

Rates for women of child bearing years are almost triple the rates for men of the same age. When I paid the bills for the company I owned I was amazed at the difference.

Sorry for the threadjack, I could care less if they allow gay marriages or not.
plabonte Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 6:30 AM EST
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You are right HarleyDave. Typo on my part. I meant to say either that men are less or woman are more and it came out of my fingers as women are less. Thanks for correcting me.
cwilhelmi Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 12:47 PM EST
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I could care less as well, to each their own....
usahog Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 1:56 PM EST
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Well there's that Famous Word again

Care
A burdened state of mind, as that arising from heavy responsibilities; worry.
Mental suffering; grief.
An object or source of worry, attention, or solicitude: the many cares of a working parent.
Caution in avoiding harm or danger: handled the crystal bowl with care.

Close attention; painstaking application: painting the window frames and sashes with care.
Upkeep; maintenance: a product for the care of fine floors; hair care products.
Watchful oversight; charge or supervision: left the child in the care of a neighbor.
Attentive assistance or treatment to those in need: a hospital that provides emergency care.

Less
Not as great in amount or quantity: had less time to spend with the family.
Lower in importance, esteem, or rank: no less a person than the ambassador.
Consisting of a smaller number. See Usage Note at few.

Careless
Taking insufficient care; negligent: a careless housekeeper; careless proofreading.
Marked by or resulting from lack of forethought or thoroughness: a careless mistake.
Showing a lack of consideration: a careless remark.
Unconcerned or indifferent; heedless: careless of the consequences.
Unstudied or effortless: danced with careless grace.
Exhibiting a disposition that is free from cares; cheerful: a careless grin; a careless wave of the hand.

We Americans Have been "Careless" with Guarding the laws of our Constitution far to long!!!
in the long run it is going to come back and bite us in the arse!!!!

it amazes me to see who and how many use the word as two parts Care Less... but when said really ends up as a one word...
issues such as this one "Defence of Marriage Act" Care Less about what or which way the results of this come out. "Taking the Ten Commandments out of the Alabama Court House" Care Less... "Removing the Flag flying over the State Capitol Building in NC or SC" Care Less
pretty soon when you want to go to your local watering hole and spark up your Cigar and have a drink and conversation with friends you'll be forbiddin to do so... because the Care Less you showed earlier in Issues that really you thought didn't matter "Mattered"
and now that it has come right down to keeping you directly from enjoying something you enjoy doing... then it becomes and Issue of Caring.. but by then it's far to late!!!!

THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
Especially during Election Time and know who your locals really are...

thats just my Buck 250!!!!

"Keep The Leaf Burning"
Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 2:45 PM EST
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Hog - let me re-phrase, I think it is perfectly fine if two people of the same sex want to get married and pay more taxes. I have no religious, social or other stigmas holding me back from letting other people enjoy their lives as long as it doesn't affect my rights or my life, and it doesn't! I love women, while some other guys love guys, doesn't affect me in any way.

How do you think it affects you if two guys or two girls want to tie the knot?
cwilhelmi Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 3:32 PM EST
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Robby - Sorry Man, hopefully you can work things out!!
usahog Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 3:37 PM EST
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Cwill, it effects myself the same way as you feel.. God knows I Love Women!!! and if you can't take his word for it Ask my Wife LoL...

but as Plabonte (sp) pointed out... the Outpoor of our social system is on a verge of many things to come out of this Issue... not just with Insurance Company's, businesses and small governments right up to our largest Government... the very act of forcing this issue is trying the very bonds of our Constitution and the foundation to what this Nation was built on!!!

in plabonte's words again "This is a big flood door to open"
what people do behind there closed door's is non of my concern...
What God talks about is this being Wrong in his eye's... I am not God so I cannot Judge...

What the Laws say show that this is wrong... but laws can be changed and adapted to be the Politically Correct America we Are....

What I see is another Group of Folks Attacking the very Morals and Ethics and Basis this United States was founded On... and that is an Attack on Our Sovernty and therefore it is infringing on my Rights as an American and I don't like it!!!!

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."

- James Madison


"Keep The Leaf Burning"
Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 5:17 PM EST
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I thought this was a relatively free country, why shouldn't they be allowed to get married just like straight couples??? There is no real reason aside from tradition and fear.

Hog - I still see no direct impact on you. Aside from the "attack" on your beliefs, which has no bearing on, or connection to, the law or any REAL impact on your life.

Insurance companies and the like can adjust, and I'm sure they can charge the correct applicable rates to whomever seeks insurance. My company covers domestic partners already along with a whole bunch of other companies. In short, this is only a big deal for religious zealots and homophobes.
usahog Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 5:42 PM EST
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Cwil "Aside from the "attack" on your beliefs"

My Beliefs are Exactly like I stated above...
let me be more clear... I am not God so it is not my place to Pass Judgement on what these folks Perspectives are....So I do Not...

Myself I do not care what folks who want to carry on relationships with the same sex do as long as it doesn't interfere with my Life...

I have friends and relatives who have chosen this lifestyle and I am still and will remain a friend and relative to them and anyone else I may befriend in the future...

what I was saying and implying in this post is the fact that every State in this Union is having their Constitution put to the test of something I (Myself) do feel is an infringment on the Sovernty of this United States!!! this is my Personal Feeling on this issue and I was looking for others input to such as well.. and I commend your thoughts on this issue as well CWil.... I'm sorry that allot of Folks may feel I'm a Religious Zealot, but I do know who my God is and Will recognize Him right up and to my Last Breath on the Face of this Earth....

"Keep The Leaf Burning"
Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Sep 3 2003, 8:22 PM EST
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Hog - In what ways is this an attack on the sovernty of the US?? Please explain.

I didn't mean to be condescending, I don't consider you a religious zealot like Pat Robertson. It's just that this issue baffles me as far as how people can get so worked up about it as if the whole country will crumble. Just remember, women could not vote 100 years ago, slavery was legal 150 years ago, and many other things that have changed which most people commonly accept as good and right changes. At the time though there was much resentment, fear and uncertainty.

I see this issue in the same vein, why shouldn't gays be allowed to have the same benefits as straights, it's not an "extra" privilege, it's just equality.
cwilhelmi Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 12:24 AM EST
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Hog - I would still like to see your reply to this one...
cwilhelmi Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:00 AM EST
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Hog - still waiting....
usahog Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:08 AM EST
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IMPHO I think the Defence of Marrage Act is a Strike on Americans Moral and Ethical Rights....

what a person does behind closed doors is there business but don't try and shove it down everyone else's Throat... and this Act is just That!!!!

I have good friends and a few relatives who are homosexuals... thats their cup of tea... but they don't try and shove it in anyone's face as to what their sexual prefrences are!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:13 AM EST
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How the hell is it being shoved down your throat?? It doesn't force you to marry another guy, it doesn't force you to do a damn thing. It's an act that allows gays the same rights as everyone else, and it has no affect on you!

How is it shoving something down your throat, and what is being shoved down your throat?? Oh no, not equality, that's just not fair...
alsant Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:26 AM EST
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it is ok if they all move to France!!!!!!!!!!!!!
usahog Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:39 AM EST
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It's showing my Kids and my Grandkids that it is OK to marry and live sexually with the same gender... and that in our Society is Morally and Ethically Wrong...

having a sexual desire for same gender, is not an equality Issue... Equality Issues are based on Race and Gender not Sexual Prefrences!!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 7:50 AM EST
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That's where you are wrong, sexual preference is an equality issue, some just choose to ignore it. There are laws prohibiting exclusion based on sexual preferences just as there are laws prohibiting exclusion based on race and creed. It's not morally and ethically wrong in our society, it's morally and ethically wrong to you. And aside from your beliefs, which not everyone shares, you have no valid reason against it. So in essence you're shoving your morals and ethics down everyone else's throats.

Do you actually teach your kids that it's wrong, even though they have relatives(as you stated) who are homosexual? Do you tell them that their relatives are bad people who don't deserve the equality that straights recieve?
usahog Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:07 AM EST
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those "There are laws prohibiting exclusion based on sexual preferences" Pertain to What? what Laws are you refering to??? Job Laws??? Meaning a person cannot Discriminate becuase it is a Man or Woman who is wanting a certian Position (Job)? JOBS Chris.. Not Marrage... IE where Insurance Company's would have to pick up the Costs for lets say Sex Changes or any other related situations in a Persons/Peoples Lives that they deem necessary...
No I don't tell my kids this is wrong and no I do not keep my children sheltered from this issue...or this type of lifestyle...

Chris from almost all your Posts it's Obviouse you don't know what Morals and Ethics really are so you wouldn't be a good judge on wether it's write or wrong...
and in the beginning of my answer to you I Stated "IMPHO" meaning in My Personal Honest Opinion
no where was a shoving my Views down everyone else's throat you asked me a question and I answered it.. you want to make an argument out of something both You and I can Not Agree On... Thus I refuse to Argue this matter with you.. I just answered your question...

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:18 AM EST
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You really think I have no morals or ethics, or that I don't understand them???

I think our insurance companies are adaptive enough and resourceful enough to adjust premiums to the situation, they already do it for smokers and age ranges and a litany of other differences. I'm sure they wouldn't mind charging the appropriate premiums in this case...

I'm trying to argue the points on this one, not trying to be an a$$hole or offend you, sorry if you do not see it that way. You are right that we will not agree on this.

I just wish we could discuss these types of topics in person because it seems that so many comments are misconstrued and uneffectively communicated. And it would give us a chance to herf together, but now I'm not so sure that you would want to...
plabonte Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:24 AM EST
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I have no problem with a gay couple getting married. But what will come next. Multiple partner marriages, marrying your sister, marrying a minor, marrying your dog. I mean who cares as long as you love each other right? Do we just open the laws up and say you can marry whoever/whatever you want?
usahog Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:29 AM EST
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"smokers"

that they don't Do for damn Sure.. the Insurance Company's are one of the Leading Providers for Anti Smoking..... I'm sure their also the Major pushers also for the Anti same sex Marrage's on the issues also

Chris as I stated before and will always I Would Herf with you anytime!!!!

you haven't offended me and I hope I haven't you either... I did kind of feel you were being an **** on this topic and some others...but I'm sure you feel the same way about me and my Posts on allot of Topics....

BECAUSE; I am an AS*HOLE E O LE OLE OL!!!!!!!
"Dennis Leary"

with that Said where's our Buddy Rickamaven hiding???

Hog
usahog Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:31 AM EST
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I guess what Plabonte is saying is exactly how I was trying to word it... What Next???

and I heard in Alabama and some Southern States the law states that if they can catch their Kin they can Merry Them!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 8:35 AM EST
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In my opinion it's not a what's next issue, I see it as something that is missing, and something that is fair. If it were a special rights type of issue then I would be arguing against it right there with you...
plabonte Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 9:41 AM EST
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But to look at just this issue and not the next issue is very short sighted. You have to not only look at the issue but the precednet it is setting.

"I thought this was a relatively free country, why shouldn't they be allowed to get married just like straight couples??? There is no real reason aside from tradition and fear."

This arguement holds for all of the down the road instances I gave above wouldn't you say Chris? If I want three wives why not. If my sister and I are sterile and can't have kids why not let us get married? If I'm 40 and my intended is only 17 what does waiting a year until she is 18 accomplish? If the sheep don't mind it why can't I marry them and put it to them every night.

Alright maybe I'm a being a little extreme here but the next group to come forward (IMHO it will be multilple partner marriages in the next 10 years) they are going to say, "You let gays get married why not us".

cwilhelmi Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 9:49 AM EST
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Then to avoid the slippery slope why not abolish marriage altogether?? This is just as logical as your statements...
Cigarick Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 10:09 AM EST
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You can't legislate morality. Personally I don't care who marries who, but the real reason the gov't. is happy with things the way they are is that if your marriage partner dies without leaving a will, you get everything. If you're not married and there's no will, the assets go to the state by default.
plabonte Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 10:12 AM EST
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Or to avoid people from feeling love why don't we just nuke everyone. Come on Chris you can do better then that.

Marriage is a legal act between a man and woman. You are saying that marriage shouldn't disriminate based on sex. Fine then it shouldn't discriminate on sex, age, number of partners, or bloodlines. You can't allow one and not the other.

Why don't we abolish marriage altogether? Because it is morally, religously, and legally agreed upon by the vast majority or individuals in the US and even around the world. And something supported by that many people is probably not wrong.

Some things have been a part of humans existence from the begininning of time (or at least as far back as history goes). We sleep at night, we wear clothes, we pass our values onto our kids, and men and women marry. Its engrained in our culture and are very existense.

plabonte Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 10:16 AM EST
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You can legislate morality. That is why its illegal to kill someone, or steal their property, or marry a minor, relative, or livestock. Can't legislate morality? Then why is child pornography illegal?

BUT you do bring up a very interesting point about the Gov't wanting people's money and more marriages reduces their chances of getting their hands on it.
billyjackson Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 10:42 AM EST
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No...you can't legislate morality. You can create laws and penal codes based on what a group of people say is morally wrong, but you can't make people moral by legislation.

A white bigot may hire a minority to work for him and treat him fairly, but that doesn't mean the law has made the bigot look upon the minority as an equal.

As far as gay marriages, looks like they will have to wait in line. I have no moral issues with it. But I'm also not going to raise hell about laws allowing them to marry. If it gets passed...fine with me. If not, tough.

And what is this farcical argument about having consistency? (If gay marriages, then we must let siblings marry. If no gay marriages, it is same as having slavery and refusing women the right to vote.) Maybe I'm ignorant of my history, but show me consistency in morals of any civilization, religion, government, etc. anywhere, anytime. It just doesn't happen. People can't even be "consistent" in their own beliefs...how the hell can we expect a legal/moral code to manufacture such consistency for the masses?

But then again...what the hell do I know?
plabonte Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 11:15 AM EST
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You are right that you can't regulate how a person fells or thinks. My point is that you CAN legislate how a person acts or penalize them when they don't act in accordance.

Are you saying laws don't need to be consistent. You run into big problems when they aren't.

Murder is illegal right?
If a woman is pregnant and she drinks or does drugs so much the baby dies she can be tried for murder.
If a doctor perscribes something that kills the baby and s/he should have known better he can be tried.
If I punch a pregnant woman in the gut and the baby dies I can be tried.
Abortion is legal.

Now I don't want to change this to an abortion issue. My point is only that if when previous laws/precedent was set in cases involving the murder of unborn babies had someone had the forsight to see that abortion would be the next issue they could have written the laws better. Now there isn't consistency and you've got a big problem.
billyjackson Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 11:21 AM EST
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plabonte...

Of course we have a big problem...the argument on this thread illustrates it. Which side of this coin would make things consistent?

plabonte Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 11:45 AM EST
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Personally I don't care if gays marry. I'm married to a wonderful woman so it doesn't effect me directly one way or the other. But if they change the law they need to think about some of the other things I mentioned and define what is a legal and not legal marriage with them in mind or a few years down the road we will have the same problem. Just with a different group.

usahog Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 12:01 PM EST
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I don't want to take off from the Topic either...
Smoking can Kill... and the Goverment States and Federal are trying to regulate everyone by Passing laws where you cannot smoke in your Vehical while underage persons are present.. this is sweeping the Nation...and is going into law in many states if not already soon.... there are many States who make it Illegal to smoke in Public Places Including Bars and Resturants...
OK so why not just Ban Tobbaco of any kind?

they ban guns of certian types across the Nation.

They Ban certian types of Ammo used in Guns across the Nation...

How Bout this... give the Laws to Gays that they can be Married... but stipulate that under no way would the Insurance Coverage. Cover their Partner from their Employment standpoint... Do you think this would work?

Or what if they Ban Homosexuality all together? like they are doing across the Nation on Kiddy Porn??
Would that work?

you mentioned Insurance in one of your posts Chris is why I came back to this topic...

it should not Raise or Effect my Insurance but it would... I would see an Increase in my Premiums because of this Marrage Act and allowing members of the
same sex Coverage from anothers Employment Insurances.. is it fair that my Premium goes up because of this?
the Insurance Company's are going to get theirs first thats a given and thats why their still in Business today!!!

I'm a smoker so my life insurance premium has gone up... my Brother doesn't smoke but his Premium also went up.. why? because their (Insurance Company's) are covering their Own first...

a kid just turning 16 you add them on to your Insurance.. your Premium just jumped up at the minumum 200 bucks... this same kid turns 18 and is on his own and making a living working. serviving.. but while he was on your insurance for the past 2 years... he/she had 4 wrecks and two of them was damaging to someone else's Vehical.. not even including any bodily Injury Damage... Your Premium in just one month payments would eat you out of house and home... it will take minimum 5 yrs to get this off your Insurance Record
meanwhile the Kids herself/himself cannot even afford the coverage on their own so have to remain on the parents coverage... Should these Parents Keep a coverage on the kid? or tell them to get their own and work their fingers to the bone to cover themselves??

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cwilhelmi Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 12:21 PM EST
Joined: 07-24-2001
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Many companies insurance including mine already cover domestic partners. It's been this way for 5 years, and hell hasn't broken loose yet...

You're making a lot of assumptions that are baseless. And someone else brought up the insurance comment first, I was just shooting it down because it has no merit!
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