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rwestcot Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2003, 3:31 PM EST
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We need this guy to run
Even Rick might like him haha
Robby Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2003, 6:20 PM EST
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He's a loser.
Homebrew Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2003, 8:20 PM EST
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Hey Robby,
Not many losers, ever, make it to "Supreme, Allied, Commander", Like Wesley Clark. Do some research, on the man, before you call him a loser.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
sketcha Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2003, 11:15 PM EST
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You may not agree with his politics, Rob, but to call him a loser, I think is reaching pretty far. He's a thousand times more articulate and intelligent than our current president. I believe George has his strengths, but I'd like to see the 2 of them in a debate.

JM$.02
Intel Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2003, 1:50 AM EST
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Robby,
I realize compared to all the amazing things you have done in your life Gen. W. Clark (Ret.) must seem like a complete loser but to the rest of us less fortunate people who have not given this country as much as you have Gen. Clark is great American. So how about this, like your momma always said if you don't have something nice to say about someone don't run your soup cooler and everyone else will not think you just like to here yourself talk.
Robby Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 6:03 AM EST
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I've seen him interviewed. I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm sorry if anyone finds "my" opinion offensive.
Lowman Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 6:05 AM EST
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Hey westcot... Where ya been ???

Low
jdrabinski Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 6:31 AM EST
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I can't really figure out what he stands for...the website, and other sources I've seen, just list quotations from which you can guess at his position on various issues. I'd have to see a lot more, personally.

I will say this much: he and Kerry make Bush and Cheney look like a couple of wusses when it comes to military record and integrity. That alone would make for some interesting conversation during the election cycle! After all, Bush isn't going to run on the economy!

John
Homebrew Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 7:03 AM EST
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Yeah Robby,
I see General Clark, on a fairly regular basis, at least 2-3 times a year. He is bright, articulate, very quick to respond in times of crisis, and served this country with honor for more than 2 decades. He is not a politician. Bush, on the other hand, Can't speak in complete sentences, was awol for almost a year of guard duty, has sold himself to the highest corporate bidder, and couldn't find his way out of a barn, if he was standing in the doorway, without advisors to show him the way. The only thing Bush has done that is smart, is finding very smart advisors, and following some of their advice. Now which one is the loser???
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Intel Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 7:32 AM EST
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Robby, I am not offended by your opinion of the man I am only questioning your definition of loser. If you indeed find his ability to speak on subjects suspect then by all means say so but if you just are saying he is a loser because you think it is "in" thing to do you should break free from your need to belittle other in an effort to make yourself feel more important. Others will view your intellect on your ability to communicate with them in a mature and educated manner. Reading some of your posts I can tell you are very outspoken on certain topics and have presented your views in a logical and articulate manner. When you answer a post with "He is a loser" people who read it will not be able to differentiate between the bravado and the real you. You are an intelligent person let others know it. If you want to say you do not support a candidate or his position that is fine, but to call a man who has accomplished great things and given so much of himself to this country a “loser” is making you appear a small minded man.
sketcha Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 7:53 AM EST
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Robby,

Who said anything about being offended? You posted your opinion, others posted theirs. No big deal. Sorry if you felt attacked, it was certainly not MY intention.
Robby Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 9:26 AM EST
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He is a military man and not a politician, but he certainly looked and sounded like a politician and a liberal one at that. I saw him interviewed on Hannity and Colmes and he was every bit the consummate politician. The fact that he will run as a democrat puts him at a disadvantage with my ideology.

Additionally, a General who wants to be president could be a megalomaniac. Not trying to indict him on that one, just raising the possibility. Although arguably, the same claim could be made for anyone running for President. If he runs, I’ll look forward to hearing more about his views on the issues… But again, in my book, he has 2 strikes going in if he runs as a democrat.
Robby Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 9:29 AM EST
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Sketcha, that was in response to Intels post, not yours.
Homebrew Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 10:30 AM EST
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Hey Robby,
He hasn't even announced that he would run. The website, is by his friends, and fans, urging him to run. His first statement about running, was announcing his party affiliation.
He is much more toward the center, than the average Dem. I would like to hear more on his views. But it has been years since I last voted Dem. They went too far to the left. I'm too conservative for them, too interested in protecting my civil liberties to aline myself with the Republicans, though they are more to my liking. I do not like Bush, so I am exploring all candidates. My self, I am Libertarian.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Robby Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 10:58 AM EST
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Me too. I wish they stood a chance, I would for lib. And in fairness, I don't know much about his positions well enough yet, just his party affiliation, so we'll have to wait and see if he even does run, and then more information on what he would do.
Intel Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Sep 7 2003, 3:21 PM EST
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Robby well put.
Dave
Intel
Homebrew Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 9:46 AM EST
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Yes Robby,
I too want to see his platform. He is a friend of my fathers, and I believe he may be more conservative than even his supporters know. It is obvious that the republican nomination is sewed up. So what viable alternative could he have, but the Dems. He could run as a Libertarian, which I personally would love, but he wouldn't stand a prayer of mounting a successful campaign, without the finacial backing of a Major party.
But who knows where he really stands. We will see.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
funjohnny19 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 12:53 PM EST
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I don't know enough about General Clark to lend an opinion, but I have a question......

Why did they call the website "draftwesleyclark.com"???

Don't we have an all-volunteer military? Wouldn't he would have to enlist??

funjohnny19
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 8:16 PM EST
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I'd vote for him, he's more of a moderate dem that any of the others out there... If he runs he has my vote.
Robby Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 6:57 AM EST
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Sorry, not a loser, just a quitter... LOL!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 7:00 AM EST
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Thanks for topping this one!

What a difference a couple of months make...well, on some issues at least!
JonR Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 9:41 AM EST
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We lost that Clarkie feeling...Oh yes that Clarkie feeling...We lost that Clarkie feeling and it's gone gone gone woo woo woo woo. JonR
dbguru Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 12:03 PM EST
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Hey anyone who makes it to 4 star general has to be a politician of sorts, especially in the roles that Gen Clark fulfilled.

My assessment is that Clark did a good job on the campaign trail but had two things going against him.

1) no political experience working in government
2) starting on the campaign a little late

Despite these two things, he did a good job and in my mind was the 3rd best candidate out there behind Edwards and Kerry. Perhaps a cabinet position awaits Clark in the Kerry administration.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 1:45 PM EST
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Joining the Deomcratic party last year

Not having any real clear formed ideals to stand on

Backed by the Clinton's

Michael Moore and Madonna were his biggest supporters

AND

The guy is a couple fries short of being a complete Happy Meal!

bloody spaniard Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 5:55 PM EST
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Well said Doctor! May I continue?

Became a 4-Star General because he was politically-astute enough to change "directions" more often than a weathervane. Get a load of his contrived cover on that gay activist magazine.

Appears to have been fired by Colin Powell for incompetence.

Has NO integrity per Generals Tommy Franks & Schwartzkof(sp?). Note, how no one of any real military credentials attented his "retirement" ceremony.

Robby, you were ahead of your time.
Robby Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2004, 6:09 PM EST
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The best dem for the job dropped out a few weeks back. Just my opinion, I liked Liberman more than any of the others. He seemed to me like someone who was Presidential. He has experience, credentials, I would trust him in the war on terror, I can't say that for any of the other dem candidates. Liberman was a good man, I believe he has integrity. I believe he stands up for what he believes in. He would have made a much better president than Al Gore or Kerry put together.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2004, 2:04 AM EST
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Robby, Joe threw the baby out with the bathwater when he hitched his political gain to the Algore wagon. I too admired the man, because he had conviction. Reaping and sowing.
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