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eleltea Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
A dedicated Local 113 Union worker was attending a convention in Vancouver and decided to check out the local brothels. When he got to the first one,he asked the Madam, "Is this a union house?"
" No," she replied, "I'm sorry, it isn't."
"Well, if I pay you $100.00, what cut do the girls get?"
"The house gets $80.00 and the girls get $20.00."
Mightily offended at such unfair dealings, the man stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded,
"Why, yes, sir, this IS a union house."
The man asked, "And if I pay you $100.00, what cut do the girls get?"
"The girls get $80.00 and the house gets $20.00."
"That's more like it!!!" the man replied.
He handed the Madam $100.00, looked around the room and pointed to a stunningly attractive
blonde. "I'd like her for the night."
"I'm sure you would, sir," said the Madam, then pointed to an 85-year-old woman in the corner,
"but Ethel here has seniority."
billyjackson Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 08-19-2002
Posts: 2,860
very good...and would be funnier if I understood unions.
usahog Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Poor Ethel Still Gettin Screwed all these Years By the Union!!!

Billy.. it's simple Math... you make $10.00 bucks an hour.. the Union gets 1.00 Buck of that from your pay.. your protected by contract with the company that employed you... you have a person "Union Rep." who collects that 1.00 Buck per hour off your wages.. it goes into the giant pool... you work for the company for 15 yrs... the youngest member who just came in to the company is an "Apprentice" bottom floor... giving you the "false" feeling you have Seniority in the company... and are protected by the Union Contract and your Union Rep... one day the company comes along and shorts your paycheck because you worked 2 weeks out of the shop and were on Commercial pay scale rather then your regular shop scale... shorting your Pay by $250.00 bucks for the two week pay... you complain to the company.. the company admits to the fault here... tell's you they will catch it up on the next weeks check.. the next week comes and they forgot.. you complain to the Union Rep. Union rep comes down to the company talks to the Owner.. then comes over to you and say's here's the Deal... we can get you your Money.. but if you push this you will be sitting in the Hall for an awful long time because the company is going to let you go for pushing the Issue... now you can forget about them Taking $250.00 bucks out of your Baby's mouth... and you can continue to work here??? whats it going to be Boy??? all along the Rep. is still getting his Buck out of your pay weather your working or not... and the companys doors ain't going to close the doors for straightening out the fault So Boy Says You Call this Representation?? I'll keep my job because I got Bills to pay and feed my Family... and I ain't sitting in your Hall playing cards while they repo my House,Truck, and anything else they want... worked a couple more weeks for the company and found another Contractor who liked my work so much he hired me right off and gave me a raise!!!!!! Needless to say I never spent a day in the Hall...

Hog
usahog Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
I forgot to Mention... the Bottom Floor Apprintice.. is relation to the Company... thus your Seniority don't mean Squat!!!!!

Hog
billyjackson Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 08-19-2002
Posts: 2,860
So is this another one of those things (like welfare) that was a good idea and a needed entity when it was established and then it got out of whack?

Live in TX and never had much dealings with/understanding of the intracacies of unions.
usahog Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
Owe I also forgot to Say... Every time I stopped down to the Hall to pay up my Due's the Rep. would say... that Company Miss's you down there and they haven't been able to keep workers in the shop... this got to be a Habit.. me stopping in the Hall to pay my due's once a month to Say... F@#K Them and F@#K You Tooo!!!!

The rep got the picture...and I fed my Family!!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
No it's one of them things Where their "Rep" Business Agents" Employers work themselves up the Ranks off the Sweat off your Browe!!! and give you that False feeling of being Protected!!!!

Like Polititians!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#8 Posted:
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ele Sorry I took your Joke out of Context.... sorry for the Thread Jacking...

Good Joke and Very True Also!!!!

Hog
billyjackson Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 08-19-2002
Posts: 2,860
Yeah...liked the joke as well...and understood it plenty to know it is funny.

Sorry for starting the thread jack.
eighteyedspy Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2001
Posts: 56
Hog,

Sorry you had such a bad experience with your union. However I must disagree with you.

I am a proud, card carrying member of the IAFF Local 574, that is the International Association of Fire Fighters. And thanks to my Union I still have a job.

You know why? Not because they are ladder climbing, money hungry politicians seeking to better their lives on the backs of us knuckledraggers, but because they fought for items such as NFPA 1500, which requires city governments to provide Firefighters with the best possible personal protection equipment available, and NFPA 1710 which states that I have to be at your home in less than six minutes from the time you call, and that our Engine Co. must be staffed with enough personnel to quickly perform rescue operations as well as extinguishment.

Before our Union was strong enough, we fought fires in what amounts to ordinary street clothes, rode on trucks that were way past their prime, and suffered way more fatalities, both civilian and service alike, than I or my wife would care to think about.

My Union fights for safety, education, and benefits. It is not a system without flaws. I make less than most trash truck drivers, leisure services has a bigger budget than we do, I repair my own turnout gear, I love my job and will gladly give my life in the line of service. My union is not perfect, but together we make a difference. A differnce in which you reap the most reward.

The next time you want to thumb your nose at unions remember this, and this is a personal jab because I am so pissed right now, that soldiers die in conflict, we die everyday. The only difference is that 343 of us had to die at once before anyone gave us credence.

62 of us have died so far this year. Thank God its been a slow year. The cold season is soon to come, the burning season.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Those FDNY boys had their union fighting for a better communications system, radios that would actually work. Instead of going with the lowest bid, who knows maybe if they had listened to the union maybe a couple more of my brothers would have made it out.

Good lord knows my city won't be buying any radios anytime soon.

dz130 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 08-22-2003
Posts: 781
Cleveland may lay off 125 if Local 93 doesn't quit trying to take over EMS and protect their own butts.
usahog Offline
#12 Posted:
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eighteyedspy, I didn't say all Unions... an Billy said
"Live in TX and never had much dealings with/understanding of the intracacies of unions"

Where I live and many places around the Country.. Unions are not so strong.. "At Will State" Almost like a "Right To Work State"...

Sorry if my Happenings/Views on the Unions (Spicific on at that) Pissed you Off... but in another way It Allowed you to vent your frustrations so I don't feel it was all bad? you said it in your Own Statement above. "Before our Union was Strong enough"

Now don't take this as a Personal Jab.. because I did not your's... to have a Strong Union it takes people behind it, (The Union) looking out for the people they Represent... it also takes a strong voice...
the Boy's and Girl's in NYFD were not greasing the right wheels... I have made several posts on here of not wanting the job of the Police or Firefighters.... I don't think anyone can Predict what the outcome woulda/coulda been on 911 if this or if that.. all we can do is let it eat us alive with the what-ifs and wonderings... I have many many friends who are Police Officers and City Fire Fighters I work with them with my civilian job...and to listen to there story's one can only Imagin the **** they go through... My Hats off to you eighteyedspy and your Brothers and Sisters...and all those around this Country...along with the Police Officers...as far as the Soldiers making the news... thats another issue in iteself... I wouldn't want to take a bullet to make headline news thats only leaning towards bashing the Administration for their policy's on the situation....

Hog
Messier11 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2002
Posts: 293
Eighteyedspy, What you said Brother and more. Local 1772 (retired).
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
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Why do proud union employees think that the ONLY way to get higher pay and/or better services (equipment) is through their union?
My wifes family is from a town that still has a volunteer fire department. Yet somehow they've got the good equipment and safety features.
Nobody blames the individuals who seek a better standard of living. But at what cost? Time and again I see the real life situations where union rules and regulations prevent efficiency and promote complacency.

SteveS Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
-----Tailgater wrote: -------------------------------------"Time and again I see the real life situations where union rules and regulations prevent efficiency and promote complacency."
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To say nothing of shielding incompetency
Charlie Offline
#16 Posted:
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Amen to Steve S and Tailgater!

C
dz130 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Yup.
BMW Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 3,010
I like onions on my hamburger.

Barry

Hello Charlie!!
eighteyedspy Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2001
Posts: 56
First of all, I just want to apologize to Hog, I shouldn't have snapped the way I did. I guess you can say I have as big of a hard on for my Union and my profession as you do for yours. Its easy to see how we can get riled up over these things.

Secondly, I would now like to address the comments made by tailgater and SteveS.

Efficiency and complacency. Two excellent issues.

How efficient is a city being when they fail to forecast the needs for Capital Improvements, equipment upgrades, future staffing issues? How efficient are they being when they lower salaries, scrap overtime, cut training funds, reduce promotions, fail to comply with Federal safety standards, slash cost of living incentives, and cut a budget so low that they end up having an employee turnover rate of over 18%. My department has lost on average two rookies every year from each recruit class that it has hired on. When you calculate the expenditures put out to train and clothe these individuals . . . um yeah, real friggin efficient.

Complacency. I don't see it. When the bells go off we don't walk to the trucks we run. When the faucets leak we fix them, when the roof needs shingles we provide them, when we appear in public our brass and shoes are shined, we are courteous, polite, and sincere. We take pride in what we do. The simple fact that we unionize shows that were not complacent. We continue to stand up for what is right, making sure that no one gets left behind. If we were complacent, why would we be doing all of these things?

As for the town where your wife's family is from, the key word is volunteer. They don't work off of a city budget. They recieve generous grants from their State and Federal governments. They usualy employ someone well versed in the skills of grant writing. Grants that larger municipalities never see. Just poor enough to not qualify for welfare. Be grateful. By the way, most volunteer departments have been fighting for years to be allowed the chance to join their local unions.

And of course SteveS added the whole incompetency thing. Unions don't shield incompetency, they try to prevent it. When the city decides to slash the budget the first target is always Fire and Police. When the people complain(and they always do) that they want more cops and more firemen, the city is forced to hire on, usually in an election year, as many warm bodies as they can. It's a shame really. But then again who the hell do you think is going to take the job when the conditions are this bad? That's right, anybody with a pulse and no prior felony convictions. And even that's iffy. Warm bodies, as I stated before which will ultimately wash out and end up costing the city even more money when the have to start all over. I don't know about you, but when my house catches fire, I want someone with more than three braincells and some other form of motivation other than a paycheck coming to help me. Incompetency, our union fights for more training, better training, higher standards. We, and ultimately you, get warm bodies.

Unions have had a checkered past. The one thing that they do is provide a voice for people who would otherwise have none. I thought that was what this country was all about. E pluribus unum, from many comes one. By no means are they without their own faults, then again neither is this country. I'm sorry you guys feel this way, I'm sorry that other unions have to tarnish the name, but the next time some corporate giant, or some snotty executive(probably the CEO's nephew, unions don't have the market cornered on nepotism you know)steps on your toes, think about your recourse of action. Do you think Microsoft will listen to you? I bet they would if you brought along a couple hundred thousand of you friends.
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted:
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8-eye,
Why do you feel that you have "no voice" without the crutch of your union?
How do MILLIONS of workers who are non-union get up every morning without that unified voice? It's called motivation and self-respect.
Don't get me wrong. I've got the utmost respect for firefighters and police. The fact that they are unionized doesn't change my opinion of their importance.
But why does Massachusetts law require police at every road construction site? Because the unions FORCED it upon the state. And what is the result? Massive overtime that is a ridiculous way to increase the officers pay. I'd be more in favor of raising salary and reducing the overtime. That way, we'd save money and have cops who are not too tired to do their job because they watched a road crew all night and into the morning.
As for the volunteer firedepartment, that town recently rehabbed the old firehouse, and they did it mainly on the town taxes. True, only small towns can possibly utilize an all-volunteer FD, but there is no reason to think that the ONLY way to improve working conditions is through Union Muscle.

I love how the teachers unions always cry about their importance in the community and then always threaten to strike when they don't get their 4% raise. And then they work out in their contracts how many hours they have to work to earn their pay, and they make a beeline to the door when the bell rings.
When I went to school, the teachers were INVOLVED in their students afterschool lives. Now they check their contracts first.
Thank you Mr. Union.

The nurses down here on Cape Cod recently formed a picket line during their contract negotiations. Why? Because they didn't make the same money as the nurses in Boston.!!
You claim the unions are all about training, but they're not. They are all about money.
tonester666 Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 05-07-2003
Posts: 1,324
I have the utmost respect for our firefighters and policemen. One of my brother's is a firefighter and the other is a deputy sheriff. The unions seem to work well for them.

Having said that; IMO unions were a great thing ages ago. The US has basically outgrown the need for them. I have other family members and in-laws who are union, steel workers and construction types. To me the union is a front for them to hide behind. I listen to these guys talk about how when the blast furnace goes down they all run and find a place to hide and sleep. Why, cause they can't be fired. I see morons who don't deserve a job making great pay and the union keeps them employed. These are the same people who wonder why our steel industry is in such bad shape.

I have never been in a union and have absolutely no desire to have one. Your job should not be a right. No group is going to tell me how to vote or what products I am allowed to buy.

JMO
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted:
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No matter the profession, if a person works hard I have respect for them. Likewise, I have no patience for slackers be they friends, family or coworkers.

I don't fault the individuals who work for unions but I do dislike the vehicle which allows complacency. Excuse me, it ENCOURAGES complanceny.

Citing examples of how the union makes it possible to get high pay and superior working conditions doesn't convince me. It's like the Inner-City youths who carry a gun because they gain "respect".
In one sense, they are correct: others treat them with "respect".
And no matter how hard you try to teach them otherwise they feel they need that gun for the respect.

When all along they should have simply EARNED it...
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