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Wonder who leaked this.
Homebrew Offline
#1 Posted:
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I was reading the news this morning, And stumbled upon this story. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98653,00.html
Now I wonder, Will the Bush administration, appoint an unbiased investigator, or is it going to be More smoke and Mirrors. If they have nothing to hide, I say there will be an independent investigation. But probably not. In My opinion, whoever leaked the CIA operatives Identity, are guilty of espionage, against the US government, and should be charged as such.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. An No It doesn't matter who it is.
Homebrew Offline
#2 Posted:
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here's another link.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98673,00.html
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Deriffe Offline
#3 Posted:
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You might also want to point out the fact that the author of the news story is adament that his source is NOT inside the white house. Seems that little fact has been neglected.
cwilhelmi Offline
#4 Posted:
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There's other credible journalists who say they were contacted with the same info from a White House source...
Homebrew Offline
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Hey Deriffe,
Read again. He said he was not contacted, by the White House, but that he contacted them, and sites, two people high, in the Bush White house, with the info he released. He is also refusing to release those neames.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
usahog Offline
#6 Posted:
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Like I been Saying... Bush has allot of "Yes Men" around him left over from the Clinton years... and he needs to download!!!!!

I think they (Bush) should Appoint an all Democratic Group to do the Investigations....

Just my .02 worth
Hog


eleltea Offline
#7 Posted:
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I heard it was not much of a secret. A lot of people knew about it but didn't write about it. Wonder why Novak did.
xibbumbero Offline
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Maybe to impress Kim. X
uncleb Offline
#9 Posted:
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I just know in about 10 years there is going to be a post on this forum talking about George W. getting a drunk driving ticket and the reply will come that it wasn't George's fault.... Clinton was forcing him to drink.
cwilhelmi Offline
#10 Posted:
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uncleb - LMAO!! So true...

Here's a good non-partisan synopsis on the whole scandal...

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#spy
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted:
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Hey Chris,
I don't know about non-partisan?????? But pretty accurate, even though it had a definate spin, to the left. The facts, are as stated.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Robby Offline
#12 Posted:
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Hey Chris, the independent counsel statute has expired. The dems were "violently opposed" to it during the Clinton era *your time?* The same people who decried the heinous travesty of justice and waste of tax payer dollars brought about by Ken Star are now clamoring for an independent counsel? What's wrong with this picture? How is this not "purely political?"
Homebrew Offline
#13 Posted:
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Hey Robby,
Everything, is purely political. SNAFU, the way our government has been, for 35+ years. Situation normal all fucked up.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. It's all a waste of taxpayers money. But I still vote.
Robby Offline
#14 Posted:
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That's true, but it doesn't address the point I made.
Homebrew Offline
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Yes it does, Robby,
It's all political. Both sides do it, and both sides, claim that the other side shouldn't. I support the independent counsil, in both cases. I just think that it should stay on topic. Cost a whole lot less, than going from land deals, to blowjobs. Get a special prosecuter, who isn't on a witch hunt.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
usahog Offline
#16 Posted:
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http://andrewsullivan.com

SINCE SHE WAS TEN? Drudge pulls together an obvious discrepancy. Former CIA guy Larry Johnson claimed on PBS' Newshour last night that he had worked with Valerie Plame as an undercover agent for thirty years. But she's forty. That's some early recruitment. Here's what we can say for sure: whenever she was recruited, outing her was criminal and wrong. But everything else looks murkier and murkier. Obviously, I deeply suspect Joseph Wilson. He's a guy happily calling pro-war types "right-wing crazies" well before the war, yet is asked to perform a critical intelligence mission for the Bushies. How? Why? The WSJ has a good point on this, although I find their dismissal of the basic charge to be gratuitously partisan. It would be nice if an editorial board like the Journal's, that pioneered all sorts of (often worthy) investigations into the Clintons, could work up a smidgen of concern that someone's CIA cover had been illegally blown.
- 10:12:11 AM

Hog
usahog Offline
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http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/goto/?getPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewashingtonpost%2Ecom%2Fac2%2Fwp%2Ddyn%2FA23124%2D2003Sep30%3Flanguage%3Dprinter&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edrudgereportarchives%2Ecom%2Fdsp%2Flinks%5Frecap%2Ehtm
Bush Wants to 'Know the Truth' About Iraq Leak
Reuters
Tuesday, September 30, 2003; 3:35 PM

CHICAGO (Reuters) - President Bush called on Tuesday for anyone with information about those who disclosed the identity of a CIA official to come forward, saying: "I want to know the truth."

"If anybody's got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward," Bush told reporters after meeting with business leaders in Chicago. It was Bush's first public comment on the controversy.

Hog
usahog Offline
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http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/goto/?getPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewashingtonpost%2Ecom%2Fac2%2Fwp%2Ddyn%2FA23124%2D2003Sep30%3Flanguage%3Dprinter&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edrudgereportarchives%2Ecom%2Fdsp%2Flinks%5Frecap%2Ehtm
Bush Wants to 'Know the Truth' About Iraq Leak
Reuters
Tuesday, September 30, 2003; 3:35 PM

CHICAGO (Reuters) - President Bush called on Tuesday for anyone with information about those who disclosed the identity of a CIA official to come forward, saying: "I want to know the truth."

"If anybody's got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward," Bush told reporters after meeting with business leaders in Chicago. It was Bush's first public comment on the controversy.

Hog
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White House denies leaking information to unveil CIA agent
By BENNETT ROTH
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- The White House on Monday rebuffed Democrats' calls for an independent prosecutor to probe charges that administration officials illegally disclosed a CIA operative whose husband had challenged Bush's weapons claims in Iraq.

A presidential spokesman also denied that Karl Rove, Bush's chief political adviser, leaked the information.

While the Justice Department is looking into the accusations at the request of the CIA, Democrats argued the investigation should not be in the hands of Attorney General John Ashcroft, a former GOP senator.

"We need an independent commission that can unpack this administration's dirty laundry on the intelligence community," said Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark during a campaign rally Monday in Austin.

But White House spokesman Scott McClellan said that the Justice Department was the proper agency to determine whether the allegations warranted further probing.

While the independent counsel law that covered numerous probes during the Clinton administration has expired, the attorney general has the authority to appoint a special prosecutor to probe the president and other government officials.

The latest accusations, which boiled over after a Washington Post story Sunday confirmed earlier scant reports, have put the White House on the defensive. It comes at a time when the president is facing criticism from Democrats about the high costs of rebuilding Iraq and the inability of the military to find the weapons of mass destruction used to justify the war.

The controversy dominated the two daily White House news briefings, where McClellan said that "there's been nothing, absolutely nothing brought to our attention to suggest White House involvement, and that includes the vice president's office as well."

McClellan sharply rejected suggestions that Rove was involved in naming the CIA operative.

Her identity was first reported in July by syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who cited two administration sources. The column came out shortly after the agent's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, publicly disputed White House claims that Iraq had sought to buy weapons grade uranium from the African nation of Niger. Bush was later forced to admit that he shouldn't have included the Africa claim in his State of the Union speech.

Wilson has said he suspected that Rove condoned the disclosure of his wife, although he said he has no evidence that the political adviser was the source for Novak's column and calls to other media.

McClellan, who said he has talked with Rove, said any suggestion the political adviser was the source for the leak was"ridiculous."

"He wasn't involved. The president knows he wasn't involved," said McClellan.

However, the spokesman would not say if the president had spoken directly to Rove about the matter.

Rove has faced accusations before that he planted stories with Novak.

In 1992, Rove was fired as a consultant for the Bush-Quayle Texas campaign, after officials suspected that he was the source for a column by Novak and Roland Evans that portrayed the Texas presidential operation as in disarray. Rove was accused of making up the story because of a feud with the campaign's chairman, Rob Mosbacher Jr., whom the column reported, erroneously, was to be dumped.

At the time Rove denied he was the source, and he said the column was false.

Novak, in an interview on CNN, would not divulge his sources but said two administration officials told him that it was Wilson's wife who suggested that he travel to Niger to verify the uranium claim. Novak said that the CIA confirmed her role and "asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else."

At the White House, McClellan said that no internal investigation had been ordered by the president to determine if staffers leaked the classified information. Doing so is a felony.

"I think we could go down the White House directory of every single staff member and play that game," said McClellan. "I'm not going to do that."

McClellan acknowledged that the number of White House staffers that would have access to information about CIA operatives would be limited.

He said the president does not condone leaks, adding, "if anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration."

The CIA's Office of General Counsel sent a letter in July to the Department of Justice asking them to look into the matter. The letter said that a violation of law had taken place.

Democrats immediately pounced on the controversy, with presidential contender Howard Dean suggesting that it undercut Bush's campaign promise that he would restore "honor and dignity" to the White House.

"The American public has been misled. Federal laws appear to have been broken. The time for accountability is long overdue," said Dean.

Another presidential contender, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, said Ashcroft's tenure has been too political to give the public assurances that he would run an impartial probe. Many Democrats have criticized Ashcroft for pushing anti-terrorism measures that they say led to a curb on civil liberties.

Four Senate Democrats, including Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., also asked Ashcroft to name a special prosecutor.


Clay Robison in Austin and The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House pledged full cooperation Wednesday with a Justice Department probe into the leak of a CIA operative's name and has followed proper procedures so far, a spokesman told reporters Wednesday.

Press secretary Scott McClellan strongly intimated that President Bush would expect White House aides to take polygraph examinations if the Justice Department asked for them.

"Full cooperation is full cooperation," McClellan said.

All White House employees have been instructed to preserve documents dating to February 2002 that could be relevant to the investigation.

Meanwhile, a meeting scheduled for Wednesday between retired diplomat Joseph Wilson, husband of the CIA operative, and congressional Democrats was canceled out of concern it would undermine his credibility and lead to allegations of political opportunism, Democratic aides said.

Wilson has accused administration officials of leaking the name and occupation of his wife, Valerie Plame, to a journalist in retaliation for an op-ed piece he wrote in The New York Times that implied the administration overstated the threat posed by Iraq before the war. (Full story)

Syndicated columnist and CNN contributor Robert Novak identified Plame by name in a July article as a CIA operative on weapons of mass destruction, citing two senior administration officials.

Novak told CNN Wednesday he would not have printed Plame's name if he knew it would have put her in danger.

He said he and all journalists are routinely asked to withhold stories or names and the CIA made a "weak" request to keep Plame's name out of print.

He said he is still uncertain about Plame's role with the CIA and described her as an "operative" without knowing her role. Novak said he often uses the term "operative" to describe people in his political column.

Sources told CNN said Plame is not an analyst, but a CIA operations officer. She was an active overseas undercover officer for many years and more recently has been working at a management level within the operations section of the CIA, the sources said.

Wilson, who was acting ambassador to Iraq before the Persian Gulf War and later ambassador to Gabon, said the leak was intended to punish him and deter other critics from coming forward with similar accusations on Iraq policy, an allegation administration officials have denied. (Full story)

McClellan said Wednesday the White House has nothing to hide. He said no one has been asked to sit for an interview with investigators, nor has anyone come forward to admit to revealing Plame's identity.

Democrats in Washington raised their voices almost in unison to call for a special counsel to investigate the leak. (Full story) But Bush said he believes the Justice Department can do the job. (Full story)

Ronald Kessler, author of several books on the CIA, said he did not believe the investigation would determine who leaked Plame's CIA role.

"Over the years, maybe one person has been uncovered by the FBI, and that was really a matter of luck," said Kessler, whose most recent book is "The CIA at War: Inside the Secret Campaign Against Terror."

"And actually, the CIA reports roughly once a week compromises of classified information leaks to the Justice Department. They're required to do that.

"It just so happened that I understand the Democrats on the Hill leaked the fact that this report had been made about this particular situation."

The furor began with a July 14 column by Novak, who had been trying to find out why the CIA sent Wilson to Niger to investigate whether Saddam Hussein had tried to buy "yellowcake" -- uranium ore -- from the African nation, as British intelligence reported.

Wilson, who was posted to Niger early in his 22-year diplomatic career and was director of African affairs at the National Security Council late in the Clinton administration, reported back to the CIA he could find no evidence to prove the British intelligence.

Novak said that in the course of his news gathering administration officials told him Wilson was sent to Niger at the suggestion of his wife, whom he was told worked for the CIA. (Full story)

Sources told CNN that as many as six journalists besides Novak may have been given the information on Plame. The Washington Post reported Sunday that a senior administration official said two top White House officials made at least six calls to journalists and identified Plame.

Late Tuesday, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales issued a memo instructing White House staffers to preserve all documents, e-mails, telephone records and other items from February 1, 2002, to the present that involve Wilson, his trip and his wife's "purported relationship to the Central Intelligence Agency."

Penalties for revealing the identity of a covert agent range from five to 10 years in prison and fines from $25,000 to $50,000.

CNN's Jonathan Karl and John King contributed to this report.

Bush isn't Hiding anything he wants to know who it was and will fix the Matter.. Class Act!!!!

Hog
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Here's the latest,
Published in the New York Times, This mornings edition.
I'm doing a cut and paste, as you have to sign up for membership, to access their site. I think a coverup, is going on.

Attorney General Is Closely Linked to Inquiry Figures
By ELISABETH BUMILLER and ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: October 2, 2003


ASHINGTON, Oct. 1 — Deep political ties between top White House aides and Attorney General John Ashcroft have put him into a delicate position as the Justice Department begins a full investigation into whether administration officials illegally disclosed the name of an undercover C.I.A. officer.




Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser, whose possible role in the case has raised questions, was a paid consultant to three of Mr. Ashcroft's campaigns in Missouri, twice for governor and for United States senator, in the 1980's and 1990's, an associate of Mr. Rove said on Wednesday.

Jack Oliver, the deputy finance chairman of Mr. Bush's 2004 re-election campaign, was the director of Mr. Ashcroft's 1994 Senate campaign, and later worked as Mr. Ashcroft's deputy chief of staff.

Those connections led Democrats on Wednesday to assert that Mr. Rove's connections to Mr. Ashcroft amounted to a clear conflict of interest and undermined the integrity of the investigation. The disclosures have also emboldened Democrats who have called for the appointment of an outside counsel.

On Wednesday the administration worked to ensure that no Republicans in Congress broke ranks and called for an independent inquiry, and it sought to portray the former diplomat at the center of the case as a partisan Democrat.

Mr. Ashcroft's predicament over whether to bring in a special counsel is reminiscent of the exchanges between President Bill Clinton and his attorney general, Janet Reno. Ms. Reno's appointments of numerous independent counsels to investigate ethics accusations against the Clinton administration fueled tensions between her and the president, and by the end of his second term, associates said, the two were said to be barely on speaking terms.

In contrast, the president has voiced strong public support for Mr. Ashcroft in recent months, the two meet almost daily, and the ties between their political aides go back a decade or more.

At the very least, the relationships have given new grist to the Democrats. "This is not like, `Oh, yeah, they're both Republicans, they've been in the same room together,' " said Roy Temple, the former executive director of the Missouri Democratic Party and the former deputy chief of staff to Gov. Mel Carnahan of Missouri. "Karl Rove was once part of John Ashcroft's political strategic team. You have both the actual conflict, and the appearance of conflict. It doesn't matter what's in the deep, dark recesses of their hearts. It stinks."

Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the House Democratic leader, said she was particularly concerned about the past campaign work that Mr. Rove did for Mr. Ashcroft. "Given allegations about the involvement of senior White House officials and the past close association between the attorney general and those officials, the investigation should be headed by a person independent of the administration," Ms. Pelosi said.

On Wednesday, Justice Department officials would not rule out the possibility of Mr. Ashcroft's appointing a special counsel, or recusing himself from the inquiry.

"We're leaving all legal options open," said Mark Corallo, a department spokesman.

And the associate of Mr. Rove said of the attorney general, "He's going to have to recuse himself, don't you think?"

Mr. Bush himself salvaged Mr. Ashcroft's political career by selecting him as attorney general after Mr. Ashcroft lost his Senate race in 2000 to Mr. Carnahan, who was killed in a plane crash just before the election.

In 2001, Mr. Ashcroft recused himself from an investigation into accusations against Senator Robert G. Torricelli of New Jersey because Mr. Torricelli had campaigned against him in Missouri. Mr. Torricelli withdrew from his re-election race.

Mr. Bush and Mr. Ashcroft say that the Justice Department will be fair and thorough, and Justice officials say that the investigation will be handled independently by attorneys in the criminal division's counterespionage section. "Career professionals with decades of experience in these kinds of cases are fully capable of conducting a thorough and complete investigation," said a senior Justice Department official.



On Monday, the White House dismissed as "ridiculous" the suggestion that Mr. Rove had illegally disclosed the identity of the Central Intelligence Agency officer to journalists to intimidate the officer's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former diplomat who has been critical of the administration's use of intelligence to justify the war in Iraq. Mr. Wilson initially charged that Mr. Rove was behind the leak, but he has since backtracked, saying that he only suspects Mr. Rove is the source.

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Justice Department officials said that it was too early to say which administration officials would be subjects of their investigation, but they are likely to seek information from many senior advisers at the White House, including Mr. Rove.

An associate said Mr. Rove had been hired by Mr. Ashcroft in 1984, in Mr. Ashcroft's first successful race for governor of Missouri, to handle the campaign's mail solicitations for political contributions. The associate said Mr. Rove also handled Mr. Ashcroft's direct-mail solicitations for his 1988 re-election campaign and his 1994 Senate campaign, both of them successful.

By 1998, Mr. Rove had sold his direct-mail operation, Karl Rove and Company of Austin, Tex., at the request of Mr. Bush, who was considering a run for president and wanted his political aide unencumbered. In 2000, Mr. Rove worked for Mr. Bush and played no official role in Mr. Ashcroft's losing Senate race.

On Wednesday, Mr. Rove referred calls about his work for Mr. Ashcroft to Claire Buchan, a White House spokeswoman. Ms. Buchan said Mr. Rove recalled handling direct mail solicitations for two of Mr. Ashcroft's campaigns, not three.

"That was his recollection," Ms. Buchan said. "He wasn't sure on the dates. He said yes on '94 and maybe another race as well."

Even some Republicans, while united in their belief that there is no need for an outside counsel, say Mr. Ashcroft will be hit hard by his political detractors if the investigation drags on.

"All of these so-called scandals can snowball and every new crumb of information turns into a front-page story above the fold," a Senate Republican aide said. "The Democrats are going to make of this what they will, but the reality is you could have the pope do the investigation and they'd still be screaming bias."

The furor over the case finds Republicans and Democrats reversing their roles from the final years of the Clinton administration. Then, Attorney General Reno was dogged by calls from Republicans to appoint an outside counsel to investigate accusations of campaign finance abuses by Mr. Clinton and Vice President Al Gore.
If there is no cover up, with this obvious conflict of interest, why no special prosecutor. Of course the Bush administration, has nothing to hide from their buddy Ashcroft. Let him do the dirty work.
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Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)


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Oh by the way, the last paragraph, of the above post, was written by me, not part of the article. The rest is accurate though.
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