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BREAKING NEWS WMD's in Iraq????
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_399454,00050004.htm

Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq
Associated Press
Kuwait City, October 2

Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country, a Kuwaiti newspaper said on Wednesday.
The pro-Government Al-Siyassah, quoting an unnamed security source, said the suspects had been watched by security since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time." It did not say when or how the smugglers entered Kuwait or when they were arrested.

The paper said the smugglers might have had accomplices inside Kuwait. It said Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah would hand over the smuggled weapons to an FBI agent at a news conference, but did not say when.

Government officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

Iraqi Interior Minister Nouri Al-Badran met on Tuesday with Sheik Nawwaf and discussed cooperation between the two countries in security matters. His visit is the first by an Iraqi interior minister to Kuwait since 1990.

More to Come!!!!!

Hog

It's about time some of this **** turned up.

Now Dubya can get all those nay-sayers off his back.

What about the oil? Can't forget the oil! That's the best one, it gets me laughing every time...that is until I have to fill up my SUV!

Shhhhh, dont let Rick read this! He wouldn't believe it anyway I guess.

Yes, I absolutley think this is what the White House,Senete and Pentagon would want to publicize seeing how hard they are getting hammered for not finding any WMD in Iraq.

What am i missing. Why wouldn't they want to publicize that there were, in fact, WMD's in Iraq.

Please restore my sight Oh Great One.

I've already given you the Facts on Why to Not make this a Big Issue... and I don't give a **** if your Dem. or Rep. Liberal or Conservative... Left or Right handed... how many posts have I posted links after links on Gulf War Syndrom... and Veterans are still coming home with unknown Symptoms from something or Other...you need more links or can you add things up??
I ain't your Great One... But I will tell ya I like to walk in his shadow and allow him to guide me!!!!
just type in my user handle in search and read up on the Gulf War and Veterans!!!! your answer as to WHY is sitting right there!!!!!

Hog

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B

Hog,

You really do give yourslef way too much credit. You do make me laugh but you never leave me speechless.

B.

Two Iraqi Scientists Were Shot For Helping U.S., Kay Says
12:23 AM EDT | 8:23 AM Iraq | Posted By Alan
Taiwan News Day continues, with more from eTaiwan.com:
http://www.command-post.org/iraq_index.html
Two Iraqi scientists were shot in Baghdad after they talked to the U.S.-led team hunting weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and others believe they will be in danger if they collaborate in the search, Washington's chief weapons inspector David Kay said on Friday ...

... Some Iraqi scientists have sought relocation in the United States out of fear for the safety of their families, and others who want to stay in Iraq seek security guarantees, Kay told reporters on a conference call. "They believe they are in genuine danger ... if they collaborate with us," he said.

One scientist was "assassinated literally hours after meeting" with a member of the WMD-hunting team, killed by a single shot to the back of his head outside his apartment, Kay said. There were no signs of robbery.

Another scientist, who was "really golden for us," was shot six times but survived, he said. Kay declined to name them.

this couldn't have anything to do with why it's taking so long to uncover the WoMD's that I would bet are many of them are sitting in Syria!!!

Oh and like I said before you Critisize the web link... your going to hear more coming out of Over Sea's news reports then you will the US News!!!

Hog

here's more to read up on...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/

Hog

This one needs to stay on Top... So when someone says Well Where's the WOMD's??? they can refer them to this site with the Latest Release on whats been found...
Reading it for themselves will shut them UP!!!!

update on Kay's assesment that didn't hit the Media circuts... But can we believe transcripts from the CIA's website???

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

Hog

ok

CWil the article I posted above is released it's public information on the CIA's Web site... the Question is.. is why is the Media beating the drums to a Negative against the Bush Administration and their not releasing any of this Information out to the Public?? in this day and age... if you want to find it.. you can with Computer Technology, just have to know where to look... and really you have to have a care to look also....
Less thought put into it... the better it is for all... more or less stated....

after a Military Veterans return home and all the ticker tape and Yellow Ribbons are gone... and dust settles... Who really Cares??? a month or two later???
I asked in a post months back... how many Military Members have we lost in Afganistan since the War on Terror Started?? when did the War on Terror Start??

no one knows and not many had answers even when I gave the web sites to look it up... we're still losing members just about every day there... but you don't see it Plastered on the front page like you do the **** in Iraq and the Poor Military Members are dropping right and left... Thus it Angers American people.. who do not really see the scope of the whole
lets use the word "Big Picture" Ross Parot!!!
what everyone normally gets out of media these days is Bias BS to fill the pages... Negative Bush's War and we shouldn't be there... the real fact hiding here... is even years later military folks are coming down with sickness's Unexplained... and then they... The Military Members have to Proove what caused this... until then they just cannot function right... I've also posted links to these events....Connections ETC...
the Senate forced by the VA and other Organizations Years into Studies have Spent Billions to try and find out whats up with this...

Now I ask you... and anyone else for that Matter... what if folks in America started coming down with Symptoms... unknown to the cause... and it became an epedimic (sp) and started spreading across the country...Diagnosis and studies are done.. know one knows for sure what it is (sounds like Aids Huh?) anyways different Metabiliziums (sp) in different folks.. so their effected in different ways... one neighbor drops dead over night where you yourself lives a few years but then your brothers and sisters become infected and within Months there Gone..... then what... would you call this a Crisis???
I'm Curious to what peoples reaction to this would be???
Rick? CWil? Mag? anyone else?

Hog

You didn't really answer the question though. If they've found WMD then the administration should/would be all over it to take pressure off. WMD are not chemical weapons or biological weapons, they are nuclear weapons.

In your link David Kay said this,"Despite evidence of Saddam's continued ambition to acquire nuclear weapons, to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material."

So Kay is saying they have found no evidence of WMD yet, right???



You keep posting stuff about the chemical effects and assume that no one cares, well I do care but it seems hard to really understand what's going on. It is obviously not an imagined illness, we have people who are sick and there needs to be something done, but from what I've read there has been no cross contamination to siblings, spouses, etc.. of any kind. It doesn't seem to be an epidemic that's crawling accross our country as the scenario you mentioned, so there's really no need to answer your question.

HockeyDad - If you read Hog's link they do the delineation between the weapons, not me...

HockeyDad - After re-reading the Kay document you are right as far as his definition of WMD. I have always asumed WMD basically meant nuclear weapons.

I guess the real point is this, if it was such an immediate threat to the US then there should be fully functional and ready to deploy weapons, and this is what has not been found. Kay mentions plans and research but until there's something that shows an immediate threat then the risk assesment doesn't match what we were told when this war started.

Catching Crap is easy to Brush off to the Public Cwil... telling Military Members there's a damn good chance you may come down with something thats going to kill you maybe in the next year to 10 years...

You think everyone who signs on the dotted line is going to stay with their commitment to the service??

I would but thats just me... I'm Nutts remember!!!!
but there would be tons of folks heading out the gates... simply on Speculations and proven facts in the past previous War in Iraq 1990-1991...


one more thing... in what I wrote above... it's like this... look at use Military Members as the Scrubbing Bubbles Men and Women who clean your Toilet Bowls... we do the work so you don't have to!!!!
We Take the Brunt So you don't have to!!!!
Stop siding with the Media on Bias Bull**** and stand Proud for the Military memebers guarding your Freedoms...

and I ain't talking about me...

Hog

Hog - I'm not siding with the media or against the military, you're reading much more into it than you should. And don't you think part of the reason I want to make sure we went over there for the right reasons is so that more of our military members don't have to die for a war that we may have started for the wrong reasons???

You can't seem to separate questioning the government and the administration from hating our troops and supporting the terrorists. These do not always lump together!! I love and support our military members and that's part of the reason I question going into Iraq!!

The antrax analogy is a very weak attempt at proving immediate danger, there's so many countries that could have done that, and it wasn't exactly an attempt at "mass distruction".

Chris,

The President of the United States made a decision based on a perceived immediate threat. You have a differing opinion on that threat. Fair enough. Because the President acted, you'll never really be able to know how immediate the threat was.

It is fine that you differ with the President on the definition of immediate threat unless it is merely an axe to grind. Here is a test... On 9-11-01 the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by a terrorist attack, I think all would agreed to this except maybe the French, wait that was the Pentagon. At what point was the World Trade Center under immediate threat?

A. 3 seconds before impact by the first plane.
B. When the airliners were hijacked.
C. When the hijackers boarded the planes.
D. When the hijackers cleared airport security.
E. When the "Go" order was given to attack.
F. When the hijackers enrolled in flight schools.
G. When the hijackers entered the US.
H. When the plan was developed and started.
I. When a truck bombed exploded in the WTC.

We probably all have differing opinions on when the immediate threat started. Intervention at many points would have prevented the attack and we would have never known of the threat. We know all about it now.

Did you ever figure out why Bill Clinton and George W. Bush seem to have reached the exact same opinion on Iraq and their threat to the United States and why Clinton came out in support of the decision? This is an important detail in the grand scheme of things.

You also missed the question on what is a weapon of mass destruction.....If one shot kills 1000 people, is it a weapon of mass destruction or weapon of normal destruction? Keep in mind a nuclear bomb dropped in a vacant desert area kills nobody. Is it still a weapon of mass destruction or just a sand melter?

Here's another tidbit for you. In 1999, the Depart of Defense under President Clinton funded a secret effort to attempt to build a weapons grade anthrax facility in the US. It was staffed by real scientists from our defensive testing facilities and the goal was to see if the purchases to build it would evade detection. By 2000, it had produced one pound of simulated anthrax and had evaded all detection. Some parts were even bought at Lowes. The simulated anthax was a biological weapon that actually is used as a common pesticide worldwide. The process of making it is idential to anthrax except you start with a different germ. As discovered by UN weapons inspectors in the mid-1980s, the main Iraqi anthrax production facility was disguised as making this exact same biological pesticide.

In 2001 the US suffered an anthrax attack that was done with weapons grade material. Somebody knew what they were doing. The crime is unsolved. Was it a knowledgable nutcase or perhaps a test run? Is there an immediate threat right now? Why isn't anybody complaining about that one instead of bickering on party line ideology and posturing for the 2004 election?

HockeyDad - Your "threat" question is too subjective, but it sounded like our intel failed and allowed the rest to happen

I don't care why GWB and BC may sound the same, I don't remember discussing Clinton on this thread, I thought it was about why we attacked Iraq this year and the "immediate" threat the posed to us.

I'm sure there is a technical definition of WMD that the military has, and I'm sure it's based on potential destruction, what is this a setup for...

Yes, anthrax is easy to make and VERY danderous, I understand that. This detracts from your points if anyone could have made it...

In order to make Anthrax viable as a mass destruction weapon it has to have a delivery vehicle. The mail system won't work because it will be caught before long and the damage minimized. This means a missile or something which most nutcases don't have...

I'm done on this

Jesus Chris... you go on a defensive whenever Clinton is mentioned in any situation and then you block out everything else around the Issues...

what HockyDad is trying to Say... even Clinton Like GWB also viewed what possible threat Saddam Hussains Iraq had on the Western World...

you didn't answer my Question on the Japanies Terrorists in 1994... let me refresh your Memory...
they used Syrin Gas in the Subway Tunnels in the Rypongi (sp) District in Tokyo Japan.. set up with a timer system so it would go off during business hours.. that District they set this up in is one of the Busiest districts in Tokyo or Japan for that matter during rush hour of Business... it killed quite a few people.. but the thing about it... know one knew in advance that this was going to happen... and it was not a large quantity of Syrin.. it wouldn't take much to start creating Havock in the United States... something here or there... major areas rural areas etc... I personally think Our President and Our Military and the War on Terror Campain has been very successful and combating this Threat (Including Iraq because Saddam was known for having and using at his leasure these Weapons Of Mass Distruction. He would have given the **** away if he knew the Terrorists were going to use it against the "Great Satan" Western World) they have kept it off American Soils and Protecting American's Lives and Livelihoods!!!!

you can bitch and moan all you want.. but the FACT is... the Plan is working and there's still a long road to hoe.. With all Americans sticking together We Will Prevail!!!!!!!!!!

Hog

"As americans it's our duty to question our government if we think they have acted wrongly! After all they are representatives for us, not for their own devices." Yep I Believe whole Hartedly with that... but I do not hold a Blind Vengence against our Government for actions I do not know the whole facts on... and one more thing.. I don't Trust our Media Circuit right down to Rush Limball or G Gordon Liddy... but they do bring up some Interesting Facts on whats really going on in America Other then whats being passed along through CNN/Fox/ABC/NBC or any other system out there..If I want to know if something is Factual I research it.... Where's my Buddy Spiney???


"What are your thoughts?" I Think Ignorance is Bliss!!!!!!

Hog

Chris you are closing your Eye's to the Facts in this Thread Given to you and you still want to argue some other Bull**** off the Topic. anything to create a fog over what is actually and has actually taken place in this country and the world for that matter... I don't give a **** about how you feel about Bush or Clinton.. the Subject here is the WOMD's and why Iraq.. Clinton during his term and all his Advisors and Intelegence people were telling him the same thing as Bush was getting from his Advisors and his Intelegence people... Thus when the "War on Terror" Started (and we didn't start it 911 Remember??) Iraq because of their past denials for over 12 years clear back in the 80's was an immediate threat because as I stated and others have also..Saddam's Capabilities and the known use of them along with his long track record of denieing any UN sanctions on the Issues of WMD Including his wanting to build Nukes... was just one more Hurdle...

that smart ass comment about bomb the Japanies Next.. another Ploy I see of diverting the real Issue... I was on that F*ckin Subway system less than 24 hours earlier I kept the newspapers, subway tickets, pictures, and my Hog Rock T-Shirt that me and 6 others ventured down to Rigungi District in Tokyo to visit just the evening before this crap was unleashed...
"what I was saying to you is this" you don't know and wouldn't know until it was way to late if you've been affected by something like this!!! say Giants Stadium or going to the NFL football game.. anywhere anytime this kind of crap could happen... Don't play it down like it's a F*cking Cold or Flu like your previous posts have been...

You Have to give Credit to the War on Terror and the Military Men and Women who are out there putting their lives on the Line Defending this Crap from Happening to you!!!! and slamming the Bush Administration for whats going on until you've got the Facts on the Whole Situation... and then if you want to continue to slam it.. then you are not only slamming his efforts but also every Military members Efforts out there trying to make our Living a Better place then what it was on 911...

As far as my Typing/spelling... well I get my Point across and if you can't deal with that then don't bother reading my posts...I viewed this as you trying again to change the Topic of this Thread

Hog

I Agree.. You had the Facts dropped in your lap and it pissed you off.. in a Valent attempt to distract the real Issue on this Thread your Distraction Failed.. you Don't want to give any Credit to Bush's Administation and or the Military for the Efforts to Keep America Free of Terrorist Threats...
Thats just a shun on your part... Thank God not all people in America feel the same Way... and We Will Prevail!!!!!!

Hog