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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2003, 7:10 PM EST
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In the wake of his controversial statements regarding Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, Rush Limbaugh has resigned from his position on ESPN's NFL pregame show. ESPN has accepted the resignation.

Limbaugh issued a statement late Wednesday night in which he wrote:

"My comments this past Sunday were directed at the media and were not racially motivated. I offered an opinion. This opinion has caused discomfort to the crew, which I regret.

"I love NFL Sunday Countdown and do not want to be a distraction to the great work done by all who work on it.

"Therefore, I have decided to resign. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the show and wish all the best to those who make it happen."

Response from George Bodenheimer, President, ESPN and ABC Sports:

"We accept his resignation and regret the circumstances surrounding this. We believe that he took the appropriate action to resolve this matter expeditiously."

Politically Correctness!!!!

Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2003, 7:15 PM EST
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Or no one wanted to work with a bigot. Depends on how you see it.

John
Tobasco Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2003, 7:36 PM EST
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He's not a bigot.

His comment was his opinion of the Medias take on Black QB's. It was still wrong though. He is a smart man, and should have known that a statement like that would cause controversy.

He resigned, and did the right thing.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2003, 7:41 PM EST
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I may be wrong, but wasnt Rush & his Wife Married by Clarence Thomas? I dont think a bigot would do that.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2003, 7:46 PM EST
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I just did a google search, he WAS married by Clarence Thomas. He's not a bigot...

Mag
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 3:07 AM EST
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Takes one to know one Johnny!
hoagie55 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 3:25 AM EST
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It's to bad he resigned over this statement! He will be missed on the set.

That's all I have to say about this.
Matt
eleltea Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:07 AM EST
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Sad for Rush, sad for sports, and sad for America. I was going to add that no one is safe from the thought police. But I stopped and realized that some are.
Homebrew Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:39 AM EST
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Damn DMV,
No Name calling please, aren't you guys done yet.
Bummer
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:44 AM EST
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Damn...I must've missed your response to him telling Rick to F@$K off over supposedly being called a Nazis?

PS...you never emailed me about the Texas Stars...
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:58 AM EST
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Hey DMV,
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, and I missed that thread. Just saw your post, and I agree with you about Rush, but not the name calling. Texas Star?? The Bucs. What you have some, I am wishing I did, but tried to get to a place that does, and their server was down, spent my budget, on PSD4 ISOM's instead. I think I have a couple coming, anyway, from a friend in Texas.
Hey DMV,
Have a great day.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
BeatDragon Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 6:38 AM EST
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Rush Limbaughs ego is so huge there is no room for biggotry.

He actually said this:

"All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something," Limbaugh said. "If I wasn't right, there wouldn't be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sports writer community."

YIKES! A legend in his own mind. The man needs help. Im not sure he even knows what he is saying anymore.
barryneedleman Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 1:51 PM EST
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Using Rush's logic every time someone opens their mouth and there is a huge outcry, that person was right - Grey Davis, Jessie Jackson, George Bush, Bill Clinton - whoever. Seems to be faulty logic to me.

Regarding his original statement;
I do feel that his comments were bigoted in nature. He offered nothing to back up his comments. The media puffs up many sports figures, white, black, latino, etc. - what led him to the conclussion that in this instance it was because of skin color? What indicates that this instance is different? (and this is even if his abilities have been overstated - a matter of opinion). Rush did not make his case.
jdrabinski Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 2:31 PM EST
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Has anyone ventured the theory that he was stoned out of his mind on hillbilly heroin, i.e., oxycontin?

It was truly bizarre to hear that particular comment, that the outrage must mean he is right. Say wha? That seemed like a desperate comment from a desperate person...just once, I'd like to see someone in this kind of situation apologize. Just once.

John
billyjackson Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 3:15 PM EST
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Yeah, JD...outrageous response = right??? Hmm...that would make you right all the time as well as Rush.

And apologies??? We'll get about as many apologies from Rush as we do from you.

(Had to take the jab. I'll now retreat in defense.)
jdrabinski Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:15 PM EST
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Why some of you **** can't refrain from making it personal, I just don't understand. If you have a beef with me, billyjackson or DMV, email me: [email protected].

I (like everyone else) am tired to this b.s. on this board. Respond to the issue/comment, ignore, or, if you want to get personal...send me an email. I responded and will respond to the issue, not the person. Is it too much to expect the same from you?

John
billyjackson Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:24 PM EST
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Why, JD, are we cross? … Does this mean that we're not friends anymore?
0patience Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:31 PM EST
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This is another example of where you have the right to say what you want, as long as it doesn't offend anyone.

I don't listen to Rush and don't always see things as he does. But...... They knew his opinions were controversial and would raise eyebrows. It was no secret that he speaks his mind.
People have a tendancy to forget that media is entertainment and can be turned off.
I don't think that a person should have to resign because of their opinion, regardless of their job.

I don't agree with what he said and I often don't agree with things he says, but to say he is a bigot for the one statement is reaching a bit.
JMHO (remember, only my humble opinion)
usahog Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:45 PM EST
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you guy's are missing the Boat... it isn't just Rush... now the Eagles Owner is accusing the whole ESPN program as being Racest!!!! lets get the damn Lawyers fill the Frigin Court Rooms and Sue Sue Sue the Frickin Sox off of Something.... Somebody!!!!!!!

it's almost the American Way anymore!!!!!

if you ain't Politally Correct and if you Smoke in Public Watch yer ass.... somebody's gunna Have It!!!!!!

Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 4:52 PM EST
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0patience,

This is not the only remark Limbaugh has made that is racist; there is a history and trend here. For two examples, he said black and hispanic voters were 'too stupid' to use voting machines in Florida, and he once told a black caller to his show to 'take the bone out of his nose and call him back.'

So calling him a bigot, for me at least, does not come from just one remark.

Also, he has a right to say what he said. Who said he didn't have that right? But surely you don't think he has a right to be paid for making that kind of remark. Go say it on your own time. THAT is protected speech. No one has a right to a job in the U.S. (and Rush should know that...he harps on that point constantly in his show!).

Hog, do you think ESPN should employ someone who makes a racist remark? Isn't it their right to set a standard for their employees? That's what they did here. Nothing wrong with that, to my mind.

John
0patience Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 5:02 PM EST
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The issue at hand was the one remark.
And yes, he does get paid to be arrogant and say controversial things.
They knew when they hired him what they were getting.
He is crass, arrogant and egotistical and they hired him on that reputation, so they were completely aware of what they were getting. That seemed to be what they wanted.

I'm not defending Rush, I am defending the right to say what you want, ANYTIME you want.
That is what this nation was supposedly built on.

I don't believe that anyone should be condemned on one comment.
Tobasco Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 7:55 PM EST
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Some folks like to use the word 'bigot'or'racist' rather loosely. Even if there isnt an itsy, bitsy, teeny, weeny shred of evidence. Just my opinion... :>)

Mag
Homebrew Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 8:06 PM EST
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Hey JD,
Enough with the name calling, I've admonished Mag. for it, and Now I'll do the same, to you. Go to your seperate corners. Don't you hear the bell.
Last time I jump in responding to that crap, back to a reasonable level of debate. The rest is red herring bull****.
AMEN
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 8:07 PM EST
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Hey J.D.
By the way,
The above post had to do with calling us ****.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Tobasco Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 8:35 PM EST
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Homebrew, where did I call JD anything? Are you speaking of this thread?

Mag

Tobasco Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2003, 8:38 PM EST
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Looking at the thread again, I think you mean DMV. You never said JACK to me! Now get it right or mind your own business, get it?

Mag
jdrabinski Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 4:21 AM EST
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reread my post, Homebrew. you'll see that i agree with you and was addressing dmv and billyjackson only.

john

p.s., Mag, there is a lot of evidence of limbaugh's bigotry. seek out the info.
martini Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 5:13 AM EST
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when your high on oxy's all day its hard to know what your sayin. he's an a$$ and i blame espn for even having him on a sports show.
Homebrew Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 6:57 AM EST
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Sorry Mag,
You are right. I did mean DMV. Should have refrained from posting when i am half asleep. JD, to me it doesn't matter who the name calling was directed at, it just undermines an argument, remember debate 101. I have great respect to anyone with a Phd. Please do not stoop to namecalling, as far as the people you are debating with. I don't mind, calling public figures names, but other BOTL?? Come on, it lowers the level of the debate. I may agree, with you on Lush Rimjob, observe the name calling, was not directed, at you or any other forum member, but at the pill popping Icon, of the faaar right. I may be a moderate conservative, but Rush is a little to the right of Attila the Hun. And if these drug, allegations, are proven to be true, he will have disenfranchised alot of his followers.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Tobasco Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 7:03 AM EST
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Apology excepted Homebrew. I may have overeacted to your post anyway. I was tired and cranky myself.
Homebrew Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 7:24 AM EST
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I am sorry Mag,
Just needed to throw that in. As I neglected to, in my previous post.
Thankyou for accepting, and now back to our regularly scheduled debate.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2003, 7:34 PM EST
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Professor,
If Rush called Black and Latino voters too stupid to vote, then he was simply caving in to the democratic media machine.

The liberal media wanted to use that very same excuse to explain how Bush won Florida.

I guess the Liberal Media is RACIST!

Gasp...
usahog Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 12:21 PM EST
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Breaking from NewsMax.com

Limbaugh Bombshell: I'm Going Into Rehab for 30-Days

Number one talk radio host Rush Limbaugh announced at the end of his broadcast Friday that he was addicted to painkillers and would be checking himself into a rehab clinic Friday afternoon.

He said his top-rated show would be hosted for the next 30 says by a series of guest hosts.

With just minutes left to go in his show, Limbaugh told his audience:

"Part of what you've heard and read in the past week is correct. I am addicted to prescription pain medication. I first started taking prescription pain killers five or six years ago when my doctor prescribed them to treat post-surgical pain following spinal surgery."

The conservative icon told his audience, "Unfortunately the surgery was unsuccessful and I continued to have severe pain in my lower back and also in my neck now, due to two herniated disks - pain which I'm experiencing because of that."

Limbaugh said he chose not to undergo further surgery, but instead tried to treat the pain with prescribed medication, explaining, "this medication turned out to be highly addictive."

"Over the past several years I've tried to break my dependence on pain pills and in fact I've twice checked myself into medical facilities in an attempt to do so."

The top talker said he only recently agreed with his doctor to take some additional steps.

"So, immediately following this broadcast I will check myself into a treatment center for the next 30 days to once and for all break the hold that this highly addictive medication has on me."

Enjoy!!!!
Hog
BeatDragon Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 12:59 PM EST
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Rush Rush Rush...you idiot.

So its baaaaad to be a Liberal Dope Smoker but its OK to be a Radical Conservative Pill Popper?

Dope is Dope man.

Thats like the Conservative pot (smoker) calling the Conservative kettle a Liberal? Or would that be the other way around?

Peace Out

BD

Tobasco Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 1:20 PM EST
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Rush did make a terrible judgement call on this one. I think that its different than smoking dope or taking drugs for recreation though. I doubt that he is enjoying himself, especially if he has two bad discs in his back.

My dad had back problems of a similar nature. The pain can become unbearable. So I can sympathize to a point. But he still went about handling this the wrong way. Just my opinion.

Mag



usahog Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 2:02 PM EST
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Ditto What Mag said...

I myself are on 6 different meds.. all Prescription and a few of them they say for the rest of my Life...

Does that make me a Pill Popper??? Dope Bag??

Personally one of my Favorites is Ted Nugent... what can you drag up on him Beat???

Rush went about the whole thing wrong... but also it's not hard to get hooked on pain killers...

Smoke a Blunt and relax!!!!!or take a chill pill!!!!

Hog
BeatDragon Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 2:29 PM EST
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I am chillin. Friday before a 3 day weekend!!

No Hog, that doesn't make you a dope bag. Not at all. And im sure you aren't abusing them as Rush did. A dear friend of mine just had a kidney transplant and he has a tackle box full of meds that he will be on the rest of his life. I feel for him. That wasnt my point.

That remark was aimed directly at Rush and his hollier than thou attitude on most things. He was abusing medication, enough to become addicted. Does that make HIM a pill popper....um well, yeah. And if it didnt become public he would more than likely continue to do so.

Sorry if that remark came off as pissy. Wasnt intended that way. Just callin it like I see it!

Peace Out

P.S. Gotta love the Motor City Mad Man!

usahog Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 2:43 PM EST
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wow hey Keith KC Copper... he gave up one of his Kidney's to his dad... I'll have to ask him tonight if he's gotta take them drugs also...

you didn't come off pissy and I hope mine did not offend you either all I was trying to say like Rush popping pills sometimes gets out of these peoples Control where seeding,rolling,then smoking is not out of control... it's relaxation LMAO!!!!! I'm KIDDING ALL

but Beat... I also have a friend who has to smoke a joint in the Morning or she cannot function.... why I don't know can't understand it...

Hog
Messier11 Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2003, 5:23 PM EST
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If RL was doing and abusing all of these pills should not the question be asked of where was he getting them? Did he have a doctor that fed his addiction or was he getting them illegally? If an MD was suppling them he is just as screwed up as Limbaugh. If Rush was coming by them in another manner that makes him just as much a problem as any other criminal.
Slimboli Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 4:18 AM EST
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Just when are 'some' of you folks going to act like civil adults in your conversations, and get a clue that 'profanity and name calling' is something that our hosts don't want on their forums?
duck Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 5:10 AM EST
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Facts
Donovan Mc Nabb has not done a good job as eagles qb this year
Marty Morninwig who sucked for the lions last year is calling the plays
None the less Mc Nabb is way overrated. Some one else did this act earlier an WAY better Steve Young. but they have to say something to fill air time
Facts
Rush Limbaugh in his "act" broaodcasts coded racist remarks, he may be a racist only he knows ironinaclly what he said was true... but not for the reasons stated...
Rush is also an coward, hippocrit and a druggie. he should do time just like all the other crack heads and clean up in jail...even though they are presciption, he aquired the drugs illegally

Ditto heads follow an ideolgy, doctrine, philosphy or religion that shouldn't be blindly or COVIENIENTLY follwed by other men. Rush like most of us does not practice what he preaches
And last but not least he is fat, wears makeup and has man-boobs that will hang and jiggle while he bends over to clean tile grout or floors with a tooth brush
Tobasco Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 7:19 AM EST
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Duck, you obviously dont listen to rush. For one, most drug busts dont land the criminal in jail unless there is a previous record. You usually get drug diversion first.
Second explain to me why he is a coward. Its easy for you to sit there and say that without an example, lets see one.
Next, when was the last time you saw a picture of Rush? He hasnt been fat for a few years now. This is what shows me that you dont know what you are talking about and are just a Rush hater. Get your facts strait, before spouting off about someone you OBVIOUSLY arent familiar with.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 7:22 AM EST
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One last thing. All people on TV wear makeup. No exceptions, except atheletes.

Mag
Homebrew Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 7:50 AM EST
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Well Mag,
Some atheletes wear makeup, as well.
Seen the NBA in the last couple of years?? ROTFLMAO
If Rush was acquiring his drugs, illegally, his drug treatment, may become court mandated, if it isn't already, behind the scenes. Having been through drug treatment myself, I know how hard it is, I am still an addict, even though I haven't touched cocaine, since March 15th 1984, as a matter of fact, I attribute, part of my recovery, to good cigars, and a change of enviroment. Treatment, if successful, will be no walk in the park. You will notice a change in his politics, as he will have to admit that a substance, has had, and still does, have control of his life. He really has to believe this to be a fact, to successfully recover. It can be a huge blow to the ego, which Rush, has an overabundance of. We will see,
If he comes out of treatment, unchanged, I garuntee, that treatment was just a ploy to take the heat off, and he's probably still popping pills.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Tobasco Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 7:55 AM EST
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If he actually admitted himself into an 'in house' recovery facility. Then he wont be popping anything. If its an outpatient recovery, well, then you could be right.

Mag
Homebrew Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 8:14 AM EST
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In his press release, it stated that he would be gone, for 30 days, the usual "in-house treatment" period. He then would be released into either a halfway house, if court mandated, or back into his life, if not. Here is where relapse usually occurs. People leave rehab, and go right back into the same enviroment that they left. It is easy to relapse under those conditions. I moved from a city, to backwoods Arkansas,where I knew noone, and have had zero contact, except for family, with anyone from my past. I don't think Rush, with his career, has the same options that I did. For him, he will have to find a path that works for him.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I don't really like Rush, especially after he admitted to fabricating some of his numbers used on the show. But I have a soft part in my heart, for anyone who is trying to break the stranglehold of addiction.
duck Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 8:31 AM EST
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Mag i do listen to rush... and yes a really don't like him. hate is too strong...i don't care about him that much..by the way he make lots of good points
BUT an example of his cowardice is him SNEAKING off to his other failed rehab attempts and prentending he was so righteous... never admitting to his adoring audience he had a problem...the first step to recovery by the way...not only from drugs but anything! he also tends to attack those he THInKs are weaker than him.
let's see how much he spouts off in rehab while a couple of big black dudes chase him through those big hallways like in Cukoo's Nest. I picture a couple of guys like Nate Newton and Daryl Strawberry popping him in his fat wubby ass with towels, while he wimpers and runs... he will sit in a cirle with other tweekers ( crystal meth fiends), heoin addicts and crack ho's..how tasty!
on the makeup point someone was corect in pointing out everyone wears it..but his was sooo bad and over done esp on the NFL show! Check out the eyebrows he looks like Liz Taylor... and by the way he is still fat and his skin hangs off him
Tobasco Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 8:47 AM EST
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Duck, how is that being a coward? What do you do for a living? Would you tell everone you work with, and tell everyone else that you deal with all the time? I dont think so. I think you would try to get help and do your best to continue working, to the best of your ability.

Homebrew, you make good points about rehabilitation. But you are leaving out one part of this situation. He has more at risk, by far than the average person. I also think that since he is very intellegent, it will help him too. Hopefully anyway.

One other thing duck, this shows in my opinion why you DO hate him. This statement is rediculous and immature...

"let's see how much he spouts off in rehab while a couple of big black dudes chase him through those big hallways like in Cukoo's Nest. I picture a couple of guys like Nate Newton and Daryl Strawberry popping him in his fat wubby ass with towels, while he wimpers and runs... he will sit in a cirle with other tweekers ( crystal meth fiends), heoin addicts and crack ho's..how tasty!"

Give me a break, you hate him!

Mag
Homebrew Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 9:11 AM EST
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Yes Mag,
I agree, Rush has alot more to lose, look at Dr. Laura, the radio shrink, was doing good preaching her own moral crusade, until nude pictures of her, from her college days, sunk that ship. Haven't heard anything out of her for awhile.
Rush may lose a few fans, over this drug deal, but unlike Dr. Laura, I believe he will bounce back, but missing a bit of fan base. Where I don't believe he will be taken nearly as seriously, no recovering addict is, until they have proven themselves.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
jdrabinski Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Oct 11 2003, 10:28 AM EST
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Mag,

What do you think Rush would have said if a liberal celebrity-type had his same problem, engaged in the same criminal activity? Do you think Rush deserves to have the same things said about him? Or do you think piling on someone with drug problems is in principle wrong, and that Rush was wrong for doing the same kind of thing to so many others in the past?

Self-righteous public features deservedly fall hard when this stuff happens.

Homebrew, wise words on addiction. It is a brutal thing. For what it is worth, I think your ability to stay clean and be so thoughtful about it reflects a good person in you. You know that, I am sure.

Duck, bro, easy on the guy for having man-boobs! Damn! LOL!

John
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