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8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted:
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Who would you ask a question of?
What would you ask them?
What would you guess their answer to be?

MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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Person: George Washington.

Q: Is today's America what you envisioned in 1776?

A: No.
surfish1961 Offline
#3 Posted:
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^ Could be any one of the Founding Fathers. I wonder what their answers would be.
surfish1961 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Person: Abraham Lincoln

Q: How can we get the Republican Party that you envisioned back?

A: Elect a candidate that doesn't patronize special interest groups.

But we all know that's not going to happen because you can't get votes unless you do!
JDELLLL Offline
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Person: Roger Clemens

Question: What's your favorite cigar?

Answer: Don't recall having smoked many cigars.
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted:
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^

What exactly was the Republican "platform" around Lincoln's time?

I took an Old South and Civil War History class in high school, but I don't think we really covered the poli sci end of things then.

My upper level poli sci classes in college were over 25 years ago and I do not remember ever getting into Post-Civil War stuff before I changed majors...
surfish1961 Offline
#7 Posted:
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I believe that Lincoln had evisioned a government that followed the Constitution of the United States of America. I think in recent times our goverment has become too complacent (liberal) for Lincoln's ideologies.

That's why I'd like to ask him that question.
anewday Offline
#8 Posted:
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Jesus Christ.

Wanna get high?

I alreay am.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted:
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I would think that Lincoln's presidency concerned itself with avoiding war, if possible, and then winning the war at all cost, while allowing The South to save faceand re-enter the Union once it was defeated. Probably not too much time or thought on constructionism/liberalism/conservatism...
Wes Offline
#10 Posted:
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Jesus Christ
Are you the truly the son of God?
Expected answer:????????????????

That's why I was asking the question.
surfish1961 Offline
#11 Posted:
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You're right on the point of keeping the country together. One of the founding principles was national defense. A nation split couldn't stand.

I believe that they envisioned a nation where the needs and the good of the many was considered to be more important than the needs and the good of the few.

When the nation started pandering to special interest groups, some of the rights of the Constitution were suddenly gray areas, i.e., political correctness.

Don't get me wrong, political correctness has been and will continue to be essential in most cases. But, where do we and the government draw the line?
austinichols Offline
#12 Posted:
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Kennedy...Who killed you???
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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12. Author: austinichols

a cabal.
surfish1961 Offline
#14 Posted:
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^ Could be. I don't think we'll ever find out.
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted:
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Just a little bit from Wikpedia on Abrahm Lincoln's politics and those of the Whigs/republicans at the time (republicanism and/or the Republican appears to have been a bit splintered onisues such as slavery and the War)

Redefining Republicanism:

"In recent years, historians have stressed Lincoln's use of and redefinition of republican [NOT to be confused with Republican] values. As early as the 1850s, a time when most political rhetoric focused on the sanctity of the Constitution, Lincoln shifted emphasis to the Declaration of Independence as the foundation of American political values—what he called the "sheet anchor" of republicanism.[35] The Declaration's emphasis on freedom and equality for all, rather than the Constitution's tolerance of slavers, shifted the debate. As Diggins concludes regarding the highly influential Cooper Union speech, "Lincoln presented Americans a theory of history that offers a profound contribution to the theory and destiny of republicanism itself."[36] His position gained strength because he highlighted the moral basis of republicanism, rather than its legalisms.[37] Nevertheless, in 1861 Lincoln justified the war in terms of legalisms (the Constitution was a contract, and for one party to get out of a contract all the other parties had to agree), and then in terms of the national duty to guarantee a "republican form of government" in every state.[38] That duty was also the principle underlying federal intervention in Reconstruction.

...

In his Gettysburg Address Lincoln redefined the American nation, arguing that it was born not in 1789 but in 1776, "conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." He declared that the sacrifices of battle had rededicated the nation to the propositions of democracy and equality, "that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." By emphasizing the centrality of the nation, he rebuffed the claims of state sovereignty. While some critics say Lincoln moved too far and too fast,[39] they agree that he dedicated the nation to values that marked "a new founding of the nation."[40]


Civil liberties suspended

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial. Nearly all of his actions, although vehemently denounced by the Copperheads, were subsequently upheld by Congress and the Courts.[citation needed]


Domestic measures

Lincoln believed in the Whig theory of the presidency, which left Congress to write the laws while he signed them, vetoing only those bills that threatened his war powers. Thus, he signed the Homestead Act in 1862, making millions of acres of government-held land in the West available for purchase at very low cost. The Morrill Land-Grant Colleges Act, also signed in 1862, provided government grants for agricultural universities in each state. The Pacific Railway Acts of 1862 and 1864 granted federal support for the construction of the United States' First Transcontinental Railroad, which was completed in 1869. Other important legislation involved economic matters, including the first income tax and higher tariffs. Also included was the creation of the system of national banks by the National Banking Acts of 1863, 1864, and 1865, which allowed the creation of a strong national financial system. Congress created and Lincoln approved the Department of Agriculture in 1862, although that institution would not become a Cabinet-level department until 1889.

The Legal Tender Act of 1862 established the United States Note, the first paper currency in United States history. This was done to increase the money supply to pay for fighting the war.

During the war, Lincoln's Treasury Department effectively controlled all cotton trade in the occupied South—the most dramatic incursion of federal controls on the economy.

...

Religious and philosophical beliefs

Further information: Abraham Lincoln and religion
In March 1860 in a speech in New Haven, Connecticut, Lincoln said, with respect to slavery, “Whenever this question shall be settled, it must be settled on some philosophical basis. No policy that does not rest upon some philosophical public opinion can be permanently maintained." The philosophical basis for Lincoln’s beliefs regarding slavery and other issues of the day require that Lincoln be examined "seriously as a man of ideas." Lincoln was a strong supporter of the American Whig version of liberal capitalism who, more than most politicians of the time, was able to express his ideas within the context of Nineteenth Century religious beliefs.[43]

...Lincoln’s religious skepticism was fueled by his exposure to the ideas of the Lockean Enlightenment and classical liberalism, especially economic liberalism.[49] Consistent with the common practice of the Whig party, Lincoln would often use the Declaration of Independence as the philosophical and moral expression of these two philosophies.[50] In a February 22, 1861 speech at Independence Hall in Philadelphia Lincoln said,

“ I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence. … It was not the mere matter of the separation of the Colonies from the motherland; but that sentiment in the Declaration of Independence which gave liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but, I hope, to the world, for all future time. It was that which gave promise that in due time the weight would be lifted from the shoulders of all men. This is a sentiment embodied in the Declaration of Independence.[51] ”

He found in the Declaration justification for Whig economic policy and opposition to territorial expansion and the nativist platform of the Know Nothings. In claiming that all men were created free, Lincoln and the Whigs argued that this freedom required economic advancement, expanded education, territory to grow, and the ability of the nation to absorb the growing immigrant population.[52

...

Lincoln’s religious skepticism was fueled by his exposure to the ideas of the Lockean Enlightenment and classical liberalism, especially economic liberalism.[49] Consistent with the common practice of the Whig party, Lincoln would often use the Declaration of Independence as the philosophical and moral expression of these two philosophies.[50] In a February 22, 1861 speech at Independence Hall in Philadelphia Lincoln said,

“ I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence. … It was not the mere matter of the separation of the Colonies from the motherland; but that sentiment in the Declaration of Independence which gave liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but, I hope, to the world, for all future time. It was that which gave promise that in due time the weight would be lifted from the shoulders of all men. This is a sentiment embodied in the Declaration of Independence.[51] ”

He found in the Declaration justification for Whig economic policy and opposition to territorial expansion and the nativist platform of the Know Nothings. In claiming that all men were created free, Lincoln and the Whigs argued that this freedom required economic advancement, expanded education, territory to grow, and the ability of the nation to absorb the growing immigrant population."





rfenst Offline
#16 Posted:
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Based on the immediate above, I do not presently think that Abraham Lincoln would fit in well with the current Republican Party. In fact, some of his views back then- seem to be more "liberal" in present time.




BTW, I find this type of thread and the reading/research and thinking it leads me to to be among the best type on this Board!
surfish1961 Offline
#17 Posted:
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But I want to get off my soap box and talk about all things cigars. Debates are best had face to face and not on boards, in all due respect, rfenst.

If we get a chance to meet up at a herf or whatever, I would enjoy talking political views with you. It tends to broaden ones views.
lou2row Offline
#18 Posted:
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person: George Washington

question: So, does Martha like it freaky?

response: What manner of garb is that you are wearing? Are you a witch?

Return Response: George, don't make me kick your ass, dude.
edsbar60 Offline
#19 Posted:
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person: Adam

question: Do you have a belly button?

Expected response: ???????????????
surfish1961 Offline
#20 Posted:
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^ heeheehee
JonR Offline
#21 Posted:
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Muhammad

Q. Do the human-bombers receive 72 virgins when they come down to you?

A. Well JonR hmmm.. er.. well not really, however we do have a 12 year old male camel that we let them take a poke at from time to time, it sorta reminds them of home.
surfish1961 Offline
#22 Posted:
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^ heeheehee
neopuritan Offline
#23 Posted:
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Oh, I've got lots of questions for the Lord; some answers I already know, many I don't. But there will be plenty of time...
Buckwheat Offline
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Question to God: What came first the chicken or the egg?

Answer: Chicken.
Charlie Offline
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The question would be to Elizebeth Short, The fabled Black Dahlia...most famous unsolved murder in Los Angeles....

Q- "Betty, who killed you?"

A- ????? This is what makes this murder so famous, no answer, and probably never will be one.

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#26 Posted:
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LOL at #21

Charlie
andytv Offline
#27 Posted:
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The creator of the universe.

Q: "What is the meaning of all this?"

A: "Meaning? Why does it have to mean anything?"
8trackdisco Offline
#28 Posted:
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Who: Jefferson Davis and the Southern Fire-eaters in 1861.

Q: Do you really think you can win this upcoming war?
You are outnumbered 2.5 to 1. And many of them slaves. YOu sure this is a good idea?

A: (A cold stare)
usahog Offline
#29 Posted:
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^ #28,

Damn good Constitutionalism/civil War History/Study...

we need to herf someday!

Hog
maddman Offline
#30 Posted:
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1)Frank Zappa

2)Wheres my beer?

3)with Big Titty Chrissy
anewday Offline
#31 Posted:
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Person: USAHog1
Question: Can we one day shake hands again and call it peace?
Answer: ??????
usahog Offline
#32 Posted:
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How's bout when Hell Freezes over James?

I'm always at peace... you should try it someday!

I view you as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpX3NhpRGdE

Course you might have "Love In Korea"? depends on the wallet eh`James?

your's and my (friendly) debates went out the window when you pulled your skinhead **** a year so back!

The trust factor! (you've been back stiring **** as a different username how many times?? (a Joke) not what I said, but what a pitiful life you live Jimmy...

You'll have to catch up... you owe a billion or more hail mary's, as much as you've walked on water and spit in Jesus face on this forum alone.. you'll have to drown yourself at least (IMO) 350 times... but then again, when you turn away from God and then Blasphemy is name as much as you have?

IMO, even if you did all the above... you'd be lucky if you were given a second shot at Heaven... you're two busy chasing it here on Earth!

But, I Am only human and cannot answer for Jesus Christ My Lord and Savior!

That Call is All Yours!

Hog
HockeyDad Offline
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^Actually, most Christian religions would say that is he asked for forgiveness and accepted the Lord into his life, he would be in regardless of his past.
usahog Offline
#34 Posted:
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^ to an extent HD...

A Man (parphrased) Women included, can lose the Holyness of the Kingdom of Heaven... it is written in our Bibles of today... in many scripture That Jesus Christ outlines it more times over...

I'm not going to give you refrences.. I can't, not that good at remembering by each verse...

But as I said before, I'm a far cry from a saint myself... I consider myself a "Christian Under Construction"

A Fellow BOTL good friend of mine just discussed with me...he feel's he will be lucky to make to make it into Heaven as a Janitor and would feel Honored if the Lord allowed him in at that level.. I Said Ditto, Same Here!...

NEVER Follow the messinger... Always Follow the Message!

Hog
Palama Online
#35 Posted:
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edsbar60 wrote:
person: Adam



question: Do you have a belly button?



Expected response: ???????????????


I’mma thinkin’ No for Adam. Eve wouldn’t have a belly button either. Think
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Person: Shana

Question: What happened to picture posts

Answer: ban
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Salma Hayek
Q: Wanna bump uglies?
A: Mines not ugly
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Damn it Dan 🤣🤣
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Someone is nostalgic lately...👍👍👍😁😁😁
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Make Cbid Fun Again!!!
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