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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 8:19 AM EST
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Funny how those of the liberal left claim that all GWB supporters are merely sheep in the flock.
They claim that being conservative is nothing shy of regulating the status quo.

Yet, where does the country get its information from? Afterall, none of us have the time or wherewithall to zig zag the world to witness news firsthand.

So instead, we get our news from the media.
Television, Radio, and Newspapers.

And which newspapers have the highest circulation, and therefore the most impact on the way America thinks? The New York Times.

And for those that may not realise it, the owners of the Times also owns many other large market papers.

The Boston Globe is one of those, and the Globe spews the same liberal/socialistic bull**** that the Times does. I usually don't buy it, but I did yesterday to get the nations best sports coverage regarding the follies at Fenway Saturday night.

Then I read it.
Front Page. By Susan Milligan.
She is against the current proposals to make Iraq eventually pay America for the financial cost of the war.
This in itself is humorous, because the Liberals are crying that the war is "costing too much", yet they don't want to hear ways to recoup those costs.
But that's not why the article was offensive.
It was this sentence:
"The concerns, from both supporters and opponents of the war, are serious enough to merit comparisons with the debts imposed on Germany after WWI that helped fuel the rise of Nazism...."

So, in the eyes of the Boston Globe, if we set up a program for Iraq to pay back a portion of the cost to liberate them, we'll create another Nazi-type state?!

You can't make this **** up.
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 8:56 AM EST
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Joe

The press does a good job of creating stories the way they want them to read! The sheep will follow or so they think.

Charlie
cwilhelmi Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 9:05 AM EST
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The reparations imposed on Germany during their financial depression were a huge part of Hitler's rise along with his blaming of the jews for the problems that he couldn't lump onto the versailles treaty(ie reparations that came from versailles).

I understand her point, but I don't think it correlates to Iraq as she tries to assert.
SteveS Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 9:27 AM EST
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----- On 10/13/2003 01:56 PM, Charlie wrote: --------------
"The press does a good job of creating stories the way they want them to read! The sheep will follow or so they think."
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Seems to me, that thinking has been proven accurate ... there's a lot of sheep doing just that


usahog Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 10:35 AM EST
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Chris it wasn't Hitler who couldn't add that into the Versails Treaty... it was the Duke of Germany at the time... and as Anni Okly once said she could have missed the fire on his Cigar and aimed a little to the left there wouldn't have been WW1...

the Reporations of War should come from Iraq.

Iraq's Saddam Hussain still Owed Kuwaiti's$400 Billion and did not pay them a dime.. but look at how much Moneys was Squandered away from a Starving people in the Country itself!!!!

Newspapers all over the Country if they don't lean to the Left they would go out of Buisiness....

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 10:57 AM EST
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Hog - I said the reparations helped Hitler rise to power because he used the effects to garner support and point blame, I never said he had anything to do with the Versailles treaty...
usahog Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 11:21 AM EST
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"problems that he couldn't lump onto the versailles treaty"


Maybe I miss read your post Chris..

I seem to do that allot...

Hog
usahog Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 11:23 AM EST
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"were a huge part of Hitler's rise along with his blaming of the jews for the problems that he couldn't lump onto the versailles treaty"

cut the otherone off to short...

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 11:26 AM EST
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do you know what I mean now, or are you asking for further clarification?
usahog Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 11:34 AM EST
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"were a huge part of Hitler's rise along with his blaming of the jews for the problems that "he" couldn't lump onto the versailles treaty"


Who is He?? if he is Hitler then your whole statement is missleading...Hitler did not rise to power following the Versailes Treaty it was some years following WW1 that he came into play as a power figure...

Hog
usahog Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 11:37 AM EST
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But the fact that WW1 did contribute to Gremany's economy and them needing a change in Government led them to Hitler's regime and WW2...

but the fact of the Matter is.. the News Media Plays on the Bias Liberal side of the Fence.. and thats the Facts... as TG pointed out above...

Sorry for the Thread Jack TailGator...

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 12:18 PM EST
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Versailles is where Germany surrendered after WWI and signed the treaty that outlined the reparations they owed and all of the other details of the surrender. Hitler came into power years later after being put in prison for the beer hall putsch and writing Mein Kampf(my struggle). I'm saying that he used the effects and implications of the Versailles treaty, along with the pervasive anti-semitic feelings, and economic depression to rally the people of Germany together behind his sadistic plans.

So now back to the topic, yes there are similarities that can be drawn, but it's quite a stretch to think these scenarios are so similar.
usahog Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 12:32 PM EST
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Thank you for clearing that up Chris.. and that is just what the Media Play's on People not realizing the Truth about what Hitler or Germany went through nor the outcome other then Hitler was a "madman" and Germany had to Suffer for it... thus Saddam was a "Madman" and Iraq has to suffer for it.. the War Debt between Germany and the rest of the Country's Involved was long before Hitler came along and then again added to long after he Blew his Brains out... but he's gone and a debt remained... just as in Iraq...
Liberlaly speaking as media would have...
"Them Poor People of Iraq Having to pay for something they didn't start or pertake in.. it's just not right"

as I said... Iraq Still Owes Kuwait $400 Billion for the Distruction they caused in 1990-1991

and then they also need to pay for the Damages caused to the Coalition Forces who Ousted Saddam's Regime

it's plain and simple and that has been the case throughout History.. don't down play it through the Bias ass Media... Poor them Tactics!!!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 1:26 PM EST
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I'm saying she, the reporter, is a looney for saying the scenarios are so similar. I didn't comment on whether or not Irqi's should have to pay. In my opinion they should have to pay, because if nothing else it's their own fault for not ousting Saddam before we had to do it for them.

I don't think I downplayed a single thing. Someone needs a fuggin chill pill!!
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 1:39 PM EST
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I already took my meds for the day... and will grab the others this evening but thanks for the offer..

Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 5:37 PM EST
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How could we possibly demand a country pay us for invading them? That's sick. Our choice, not theirs.

John
usahog Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 5:48 PM EST
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Wrong Again John!!!!

Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 6:57 PM EST
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How am I wrong? We, without any direct provocation, invade a country, destroy its infrastructure, have no plan to re-stabilize the government...and we want THEM to pay us for this?

If we were invaded, then repelled the invasion, I can see insisting on repayment. But this doesn't seem right to me. If I misunderstand, please explain an analogous situation in normal life.

John
usahog Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 7:14 PM EST
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Who Invaded what Country?? and Who decided to disobey for 12 years the Whole World on the Issues in the Cease Fire of 1991 Gulf War??? we just finished a fight we should have finished in 1991 when Saddam Hussain's Regime Picked the fight Invading another Country and Murdering,Raping and Piliging their people... so we sat on the sidelines 12 long years waiting for waisted Sanctions to work and all Lies coming from Saddam... So yes the country or Iraq should pay for the War Damages!!!!! Wake Up!!!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Oct 13 2003, 7:17 PM EST
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you miss understand History!!!!! you always want to add a Philosophical dramatic ending in the Picture of what it Fact not Fiction!!!!! Paint it blue because the color looks brighter then the pee green it was!!!!

Hog
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Oct 14 2003, 12:36 PM EST
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John,
Regardless of whether we should or should not be repayed for the cost of the war effort, my original post was regarding the tremendous hyperbole surrounding her analogy to Hitlers Nazi regime.

It was subtle, but no doubt intended to make a point.
That is not credible journalism, and it is where most folks get their "news".

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