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RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
-You believe John Ashcroft poses a greater danger to America than Osama bin Laden


-You think President Bush lied to the nation, but his predecessor did not.


-You believe President Bush is too dumb to be President and Arnold Schwarzenegger is too dumb to be Governor of California, but the Dixie Chicks, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Babs Streisand, Eddie Vedder, and Jeanine Garofalo are foreign policy experts.


-You are enraged by the so-called mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who have gained weight while dining on their specially prepared Koran-approved meals, but believe the world should have stood idly by while Saddam Hussein filled mass graves.


-You support racial, ethnic, and sexual diversity, but oppose the adoption of non-discriminatory hiring practices to ensure ideological diversity on university faculties.


-You supported making rhetoric about human rights central to US foreign policy under Jimmy Carter, but oppose actually taking action to make human rights a reality under George W. Bush.


-You believe that trial lawyers taking 33 to 40 percent of a plaintiff's recovery in lawsuits is just about right, but the federal government taking this amount of our income in taxes is not nearly enough.


-You believe Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il, and Yasser Arafat were fairly and democratically elected, but President Bush was not.


-You root for prisoners when they escape from our oppressive prisons, but oppose allowing poor children to escape from failing public schools.


-You believe all conservatives are racist, but do not think minorities can ever succeed without affirmative action.


-You believe that being the former Governor of a New England state with 608,827 people is more than adequate experience to qualify someone to be President in 2004, but being the Governor of a Southwestern state with 21,325,018 people was wholly inadequate in 2000.


-You agree with Toni Morrison that President Clinton was "the first black President," but didn't criticize Al Sharpton for recently labeling President Bush a "gang leader."


-You believe we could finally get some truth out of the Pentagon if only Don Rumsfeld would resign and Mohammed Al-Sahhaf was named as his replacement.


-You believe evangelical Christians are destroying America, but don't feel threatened by the radical Wahabbi sect that is perverting Islam.


-You have found where the right to an abortion is written in the Constitution, but cannot find where the Constitution provides for a right to bear arms.


-Your car sports the bumper sticker saying that "it will be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the military has to hold bake sales," but oppose allowing the U.S. military to set up volunteer recruitment tables on college campuses because of their "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.


-You believe President Bush is an environmental criminal for poisoning the water with arsenic, but have never complained about Saddam Hussein's devastating Iraq and Kuwait's environment through setting intentional oil well fires and committing genocide against the Marsh Arabs by draining their wetlands.


-You support campus speech codes that ban pick-up lines and amorous gazes, but never spoke out against President Clinton's physical sexual harassment in the White House.


-You can't decide which is worse: the Patriot Act or the Patriot Missile.


-You support unlimited appeals for convicted criminals, but believe it is undemocratic for Californians to reverse their earlier mistake of electing Gray Davis.


-You believe U.S. exports of genetically-modified foods pose a greater threat to African nations than corrupt dictators like Zimbabwe's Mugabe.


-You believe welfare is a fundamental human right, but workfare is a human rights violation.


-You believe religion is a scourge on our society, but that we will all be saved if we only have our consciousness sufficiently raised so that we become one with Mother Nature and share your faith that global warming will kill us all.


If the above has successfully profiled you, congratulations, as you have won a one-way ticket to Paris aboard the U.S.S.R. Michael Moore. Your ticket will be held at the nearest Dennis Kucinich for President rally. Matricular consular cards issued by foreign governments will be gladly accepted as identification.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,610
Where do I send a donation?
wekikther4wer Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-12-2003
Posts: 408
HOLY CRAP! I'm a leftist! Can anybody recommend a good specialist and a support group? I need help.
65gtoman Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2003
Posts: 858
Most all big city Hospitals have a wing for the clinically insane.
xibbumbero Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
Yeah,it's called the hospitals Right wing,LOL. X
SteveS Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
Ask your regular doctor for a referral to a specialist in rectal-cranialectopy
Sonny_LSU Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-21-2002
Posts: 1,835
hmmm.....RDC, you speak with forked-tongue! LOL!

"You think President Bush lied to the nation, but his predecessor did not.".....how many people died from a b-job?


DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,610
Vince Foster, Ron Brown...Sonny do you want me to continue?
JonR Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Not to mention all the men that have died from heart attacks and killed in car accidents and the ones caught in the act by an irate husband while receiving a BJ. LOL JonR
RDC Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
There was a player for the Dallas Cowboys a decade or more back that was driving donw the freeway with a hooker, uhhhh I mean a date and he (yes HE, it was a transvestite) was giving the Cowboy player a BJ. Just as he climaxed, he lost control of the car and crashed.

Neither were killed, but the press loved the story.

Whadda dumbass!!
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
Posts: 11,885
I almost hit a telephone pole, while driving a stripper home from my best friends bachleor party once, while recieveing a BJ, from the afformentioned stripper. LOL Does this count.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
RDC Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
Ohhh, so thats where you got the bandana!
Steve*R Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 07-23-2001
Posts: 1,858
Copy and pastes are so tiring and repetitive. I can't count the number of times I've seen that list.
jdrabinski Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2002
Posts: 794
Can you show me a person who actually believes most of this stuff? I can't see the point in ridiculing ideas that no one really holds.

I love the crazy conspiracy buffs, thinking Clinton had all of these people murdered! You guys crack me up. Get some meds. I guess it makes a nice diversionary conversation from the fact that Bush I = tanked economy, failed war in Iraq, Clinton = economic prosperity, Bush II = ...er, an echo in here?

I think the black helicopters surveilling DMV's house did it!

John
DrMaddVibe Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,610
C'mon over Johnny...c'mon over!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,610
PS: I'm still waiting for that democratic sponsered bill during Clinton's 8 year reign that actually led to that prosperity!

Seems my memory says that '94 brought real leadership to the Hill.
usahog Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
"Can you show me a person who actually believes most of this stuff? I can't see the point in ridiculing ideas that no one really holds." "ME"

"I love the crazy conspiracy buffs, thinking Clinton had all of these people murdered!"
I'll add another 4000 to that list on Clintons Death Toll...
"You guys crack me up. Get some meds."
Got some, 7 different Kinds... Want some??

"I guess it makes a nice diversionary conversation from the fact that Bush I = tanked economy,
failed war in Iraq, wasn't a failure We Completed our Objective and the American People and the World at that time would not of wanted US to finish Saddam Off when we had the chance then!!!

Clinton = economic prosperity,= BS for BJ's

Bush II = ...er, an echo in here?"
GWB GWB GWB it's a Chant not an Echo... GWB 2004!!!!

Your the Master Diversionist you would know!!!

Hog
Sylance Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
Posts: 592
/begin quote/
You have found where the right to an abortion is written in the Constitution, but cannot find where the Constitution provides for a right to bear arms.
/end quote/

I know this topic is rather old, but look how true this statement is. Right now partial birth abortion is almost banned, but we have a judged who believes it’s against the constitution.

As quoted from Fox news.

LINCOLN, Neb. — A federal judge said Wednesday he likely would issue an injunction blocking implementation of a federal ban on partial-birth abortions, which President Bush signed into law today.

U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf (search) commented after a three-hour hearing on a lawsuit brought by abortion-rights supporters.

"It seems to me the law is highly suspect, if not a per se violation of the Constitution," Kopf said.
dbguru Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 03-06-2002
Posts: 1,300
Looks like some are so brainwashed to vote right wing wacko no matter what is going on. Forget our constitution. So what if businesses have free reign to exploit their workers and cast fear into their lives. Kill the unions. Censor the Reagan miniseries and the filming of our dead coming home from Iraq. And enough doublespeak to amaze even George Orwell. Oh yes.... More deaths in Iraq... That a good sign... means we're making the terrorist nervous to act by our presence.

In my almost 50 years I have never seen a government more dangerous to the future of my chidren. Instead of an adulterer who emotionally hurt his family, we have a lying murderer who rips the emotions of thousands, perhaps millions of families apart with the loss of their loved ones and the insult of such twisted doublespeak to attempt to put a good face on such an attrocity.

Does that make me a leftist?? Absolutely not I supported Nixon, campaigned for Bob Dole, and even had peace with the policies of Ron Reagan. Reagan at least made things safer for my kids.

But What is with these demented neo-cons like the Bushes and the idiot who started this thread. Its just another sign of how this country continues to lose its collective intelligence to neo-con brainwashing. Is there another Hitler on the horizon?? Baware and get smart. A change is needed now!!! DB

jdrabinski Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2002
Posts: 794
Thank you. Well-said. Just when I thought cbid was only right-wing nuts, with a few refugees...another refugee. Welcome.
Sylance Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
Posts: 592
Wow… dbguru, did I hurt your feelings? I posted what I believe in my heart as right, and you label me a brainwashed, neo-con right wing wacko, who supports the coming of a future Hitler. Now, my feelings aren’t hurt, as I’m assuming your attack was an emotional one. But if I offended your delicate ideals… I apologize. I guess I should think twice before posting what I feel is right and just keep my mouth shut, while the liberal minded steer this country without opposition.
buffallo Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 09-25-2003
Posts: 197
DB, I dont agree with a word you said. You say you have never seen a more dangerous government, but I say you have never seen a more dangerous world. With the attacks of 9/11, we must protect ourselves. You have to see a solution to the problem, and not only the negative aspects of the solution. The solution to not get attacked by cowardly terrorists it to stop the origin of their "brain washing". In this case diplomacy did not work, thereby war is the best option.

You speak of the upset Americans and the lack of security for your kids being the downfall of the war.. I see less terrorist as a safer world, thereby safer for my kids.. You?

Ezell
Sylance Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
Posts: 592
Ezell, thanks for the well thought out post. Your response brings up an interesting question.

How would the “liberal” minded handle today’s world. If liberals are against war to solve today’s issues, what do you recommend instead? And please try to be as specific as possible… don’t answer with just “diplomacy” or “pull all of our troops away from the Middle East.”

What would solve today’s issues and why would they work?
AVB Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 05-21-2003
Posts: 995
Buffalo, I spent 31 years defending this country and was involved in a number of the "police actions" or whatever you want to call it from 1972-2002. War is never the best action however sometimes it may be the only action in the time alloted. As Clausowitz said,"War is the failure of diplomacy"
My point is if you can't figure out how to deal with someone on a rational level, you will never figure them out when they are not rational. Just my .02.
merlin9052 Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 04-25-2003
Posts: 308
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him.\" -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
buffallo Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 09-25-2003
Posts: 197
AVB.. I agree that war is the failure of Diplomacy.. That is why we had to step in and protect ourselves. What branch were you in?

Ezell
AVB Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 05-21-2003
Posts: 995
Once a Marine, always a Marine.
SteveS Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
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----- On 11/05/2003 at 08:41PM, merlin9052 wrote: ---------------
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him.\" -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
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Merlin, I've never seen that quote before, but want to thank you for finding and posting it ... that says it all, better than any among us could hope to do ...
dbguru Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 03-06-2002
Posts: 1,300
The JS Mill quote is not at odds with my points at all. My concerns have nothing to do with the necessities of war. If you raise this quote in response to what I'm saying as a counterpoint....you miss the point. I supported the necessity of taking action in Iraq. I'm not a liberal!!! I consider myself to be a thinking man's centrist. I refuse to stop my observations with propaganda, administration doublespeak and sound bites. I like Reuters and the BBC in addition to multiple other domestic and foreign news sources. I have an issue with the crap that started this thread. Can you truly observe and think about what is going on here? Your administration is trying very hard to prevent you from doing so. That's the problem with conservatism, it runs so counter to encouraging people to think for themselves. Just go along with the good old ways that we do things and all will be well. Don't worry about the complicated stuff. Don't think or concern yourself with issues you can't possibly play a role in. (we'll determine that role for you) We'll take care of your concerns for you. You just have to trust us and have faith in ..........(fill the blank) and all will be well. Personally I translate that into ... Shut down you brain and stop thinking so that we can do your thinking for you and all will be well because you will be under our control.

To that I SAY WAKE UP!!!!
THINK FOR YOURSELVES DAMMIT!!!!!

My thoughts and concerns are with the incompetency of how this administration is handling the war, and their continued assault on two absolutely essential pillars on which the success of this country stands. Those pillars are the Constitution and lives and welfare of the middle class. Never has an administration been so hostile and dishonest in its dealings toward these two entities. I observe that George Bush has behaved in a dishonest unintelligent way on numerous occassions and is surrounded by some very clever and manipulative power brokers who have little concern about how to govern this country effectively beyond what provides themselves political and financial gain in the short term. The 2004 election has been driving every decision since 2001 and there has been nothing else that mattered to this administration in making decisions that affect us all.

And as far as the Iraq situation is concerned..... Its been 6 months and we have not helped them establish a constitution upon which their new leadership can build a foundation for authority. What's the excuse for that??? This is the most essential element in winning the peace and this administration has made nothing but dysfunctional efforts in this area.

WAKE UP and think for yourselves for a change!!!!

More later.... DB

Sylance Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
Posts: 592
What's the quickest way to to not get a question answered?

Ask a liberal how they would handle the world's current events. Still haven't seen it.
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
DB, haven't seen you post before, but then again I rarely pay attention.
Either way, you gained some immediate attention with some valid arguments, but also with some emotional blather.

Your most recent post cries about a so-called complacency with conservatives. Yet, it was complacency that resulted in the need for our attack on Iraq. Complacency with the UN to allow Saddam to thumb his nose at the world while 10 years pass without proper arms inspection as dictated by the first Gulf War. Complacency to allow them to ignore requests and demands to adhere to the signed papers.

Don't kid yourself: A "thinking mans centrist"???
A wee bit full of yourself today? Don't take that as an insult, only as an observation.

Nobody likes to be labelled. I consider myself a "smart person's independent". Gimme a break...

You claim to think for yourself, yet you claim the conservatives "censored" the Reagan movie. How so? Or did you get that from Babs?


And lastly, you're upset with the administration because they haven't drawn up a working Constitution for Iraq in only 6 months???
6 months ain't a long time my friend. The unrest in Baghdad would tend to diminish the effectiveness of any such document even if it were presented.

I agree with certain aspects of your post, but you seem bitter about something. You slam not only the administration, but also the folks who posted this whimsical thread.

For a self-appointed "thinking man", you haven't used your head.


dbguru Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 03-06-2002
Posts: 1,300
Your probably right about me getting a bit to emotional in my response.... This is the kind of thing much better suited for face to face rather than bulletin board discussion. If you really wish to drill down on details behind some of my assertions, I'm not sure others would have the time to pour through all that text. Certainly those who are close minded to opposing views would not give such analysis the time of day. When you pose the question on details behind the CBS censorship, there is enough material to do a 2 hour documentary on that one.....

So getting back to a more simple point Let's just say I'm very tired of the derogative name calling and slandering characterizations which constantly comes from right wingers like the one that started this thread. Also when the name calling is thrown back in their right-wing wacko neo-con-artist faces (ouch, did I really mean that) they can't take the sting very easily.

Quite frankly, I just hate close minded politics from both sides of the spectrum and would love people to start embracing awareness and intelligence in their considerations with respectful discourse and debate rather than censorship and the type of stupid characterizations and name calling that started this thread. Anyone who would circulate such crap is engaging is making a very poor attempt at humor that is just not funny unless you mindlessly follow right wing thinking. I have some serious issues with this administration and the close minded mentatlity of many of its supporters and my response in this thread is a small part of my efforts to do something about it over the next year.

Now I'm done with this thread and back to enjoying cigars... DB
eleltea Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Babs and Hilary both believe in the conspiracy theory about the right wing conspiracy. Was it the right wing conspiracy that forced Rush Limbaugh off ESPN or canceled Laura Schlessinger's TV show before a single episode was aired? Just wondering.
AVB Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 05-21-2003
Posts: 995
I don't think there was a conspiracy but Rush should go to jail and stay there for a decade or so.
B Naked Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2003
Posts: 85
I used to be a leftist but my wrist kept getting tired, so now I use my right.
jdrabinski Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2002
Posts: 794
What are you talking about? Dr. Laura's show aired. I saw it. It was ridiculously terrible. There has never been a figure so untelegenic...well, FatRush was a close second. That stoned bigot got what he deserved.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
DB, I agree.
Closed minded politics is an embarassment to both parties.
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