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65gtoman Offline
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Conservative Students in Texas Place Liberal professors on Watch List
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
November 06, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - Fed up with what it views as "an overwhelming liberal bias in higher education," a group of conservative students at the University of Texas has begun compiling a list of professors who allegedly use their classes for the liberal indoctrination of students.

"There's a lot of professors out there who don't just teach the facts, but also mold the curriculum in a way that attempts to produce a certain mindset in their students," said Austin Kinghorn, chairman of the university's chapter of the Young Conservatives of Texas. "These are the kinds of professors that the Professor Watch List was designed to identify, and the idea is that we can give a little bit of control back to students in how they're going to determine their own education."

The group distributed the list at a table on campus last week as students were registering for classes next spring. Students may also find the list on the UTYCT's (University of Texas chapter of Young Conservatives of Texas) website.

Kinghorn noted that students were already able to access information about the level of difficulty in which a particular professor taught his or her class. The Professor Watch List adds another element to the mix, he said. UTYCT members provided the information for the list from class visits or from taking the classes themselves.

Sample entries include one for Robert Jensen, who teaches "Critical Issues in Journalism." According to the Professor Watch List, Jensen introduces the "unsuspecting" student to a crash course in "socialism, white privilege, the truth about the Persian Gulf War and the role of America as the world's prominent sponsor of terrorism.

"Jensen half-heartedly attempts to tie his rants to 'critical issues' in journalism, insisting his lessons are valid under the guise of teaching potential journalists to 'think' about the world around them. Jensen is also renowned for using class time when he teaches Media Law and Ethics to 'come out' and analogize gay rights with the civil rights movement," the list entry for Jensen reads.

Speaking to the Austin American-Statesman, Jensen described himself as "left-progressive" and said he wasn't surprised to be on the list.

"There are students who thank me for bringing up these issues and being straightforward. I've also had complaints and comments from those who think I'm pushing a certain political agenda in class," Jensen told the Statesman.

Jim Eltringham, public relations director for the Arlington, Va.-based Leadership Institute's Campus Leadership Program, which fosters conservative campus organizations nationwide, said the watch list is "a fantastic idea." He said it would benefit students who come to the realization after a couple of weeks in class that "this isn't an educational experience, this is indoctrination. This is someone telling you what their views are and making that the course curriculum."

"That's not what college is supposed to be about. It's a gross misuse of the opportunity a professor has to educate the next generation," Eltringham told CNSNews.com.

Edmund T. Gordon, another professor profiled on the watch list, teaches African and African-American Studies. The list notes that a black student once asked Gordon in class what was wrong with being black and conservative.

"Gordon implied that if you're black and conservative, you're not black enough, and you're not doing what's in the best interest of the black community," the watch list states.

But Kinghorn pointed out that far-left professors aren't the only ones on the list.

"There's also an honor roll on there, and the idea is it's not about your politics. If a professor runs an intellectually fair class and deals with important subjects without letting their politics get in the way, we think that's worth noting, and we think there's a lot of students who'd be interested in knowing who those professors are," Kinghorn said. "We're not out here to target every liberal professor in the world."

Eltringham agreed, acknowledging that not all liberal professors are bad.

"We're talking about the ones who turn their spot at the front of the classroom into a bully pulpit...and letting ideology affect grades," Eltringham said.

Larry Faulkner, president of the University of Texas, told the Statesman that UTYCT members "have the right to make the list." He said the school's 30-year-old academic freedom policy allows professors "freedom to explore ideas on their own merits," so long as they do not "give undue weight" to their own political or moral judgments.

"The magic word there is 'undue,'" Faulkner told the Statesman. "That's going to be, to some extent, in the eye of the beholder."

While Kinghorn said his group's list was unique at the University of Texas, he pointed to NoIndoctrination.org, a site providing ratings on professors at campuses across the country. The Texas list will continue to grow and is something UTYCT plans to keep offering during fall and spring registration periods, Kinghorn said.

"The professors seem to be taking the watch list seriously in that they want to dedicate time to it in their classrooms, to discuss it," Kinghorn said.


Cigarick Offline
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They need this up at Berkeley.
SteveS Offline
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It's needed almost everywhere ... but at Berkeley, it'd come 40 years too late ... that's now a lost cause ...
phenix007 Offline
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Well you'll be glad to know...especialluRick and John...that my Son, who is a Senior at UT. is and Organizer of the list and a leader in this quality organization.....they bend over backward to make the info fair but informative to the students...the indoctrination and bashing of our culture has gotten way out of hand...phenix
jdrabinski Offline
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Glad to see that the McCarthyite urges of the extreme right are alive and well out there...and applauded by the mentally ill extreme right of this board.

LOL!

You son shows his weakness by having to compile this list, unable, apparently, to have his own ideas confidently. Or the list so that students don't have their feelings hurt. Or because the professors aren't saying the politically correct thing. Hey...all those things the right is supposed to oppose! LOL!

Where's the hit list of corporate executives and their extreme economic conservatism? I'm a corporate consultant now, and believe me that these guys have an insanely self-interested conservatism.

MAKE A LIST!
HockeyDad Offline
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John,

You got firestorms going on all over the board! Forget MacCarthyism....Do you realize the John Ashcroft and the FBI's Carnivore computer system is reading everything including this board?! Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge. See how fast this gets sniffed now.

Congratulations on landing the corporate consultant gig. That is quite a switch from professor. It does show that George W Bush's economic plan for job creation is working! From one consultant to another, I'm sure you've already heard that the nickname for consultant is "conslutant" because they'll do anything for money! Don't worry, it isn't really selling out.

...Just one tip for you.... Clients won't always agree with you. If they do not agree, you cannot call them wackos, blind followers of George W Bush, racists, misinformed, nutjobs, mentally ill, or anti-semitic. The corporate world frowns on that sort of behavior so you'll need to develop more tolerance and political correctness to survive.

By the way, keep us posted on the John Drabinski versus Corporate America saga. It is about time someone cleaned out those corporate executives and I'm looking forward to you doing it. The tales you'll have to tell will be even better than that Mel Gibson movie about the Jews killing Jesus.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I already saw that one...Slaying windmills...pshaw!


Oh that's a hoot! Welcome to the REAL world Johnny! Writing a book my ass! More like trying to make a buck! This is a scream, no wait...let me guess...It's all Mag's fault because he wrote of your "politeness" to your boss back at the University?! That was prolly the nail in your coffin! Ex-professor, Philosophy Charlatan...do tell us all about your next "windmill"!
xibbumbero Offline
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LMAO at youse guys. X
tailgater Offline
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John,
This is a fair observation. Tell me if it isn't, and please explain:

1. Professors with an agenda (usually left wing) is OK.
2. Students judging and grading professors on their teaching methods is modern day McCarthyism.
3. If you think the students are showing creativity in their efforts, then you are mentally ill.

jdrabinski Offline
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There is a real myth of this left-wing professor conspiracy. It just isn't true. How is it even relevant or important? Microbiology is different if taught by a Marxist? Statistics 101? Please. This is a panic button that plays on ignorance.

Students evaluate our teaching methods all of the time. Every class, every semester. My ideas about justice, my beliefs, are not relevant. Evaluate my pedagogical techniques. To have a "Watch List," to make my personal beliefs central to what I do (which is NEVER to teach my own beliefs), is very McCarthyite, in my view; of course it is. What would you say if this was a "Christian Professors Watch List"? Different story.

I don't understand the third remark.

What cracks me up about these sort of threads is how everyone is an expert on what professors do. Fact is, however, that no one here has a clue. Unless you are a professor, you don't know. Plus, you seem to think students are infants. They make their minds up for themselves. Give them the credit they deserve.

My response to these students: spend the time doing your homework. Quit obsessing about what your professors believe.
Todog Offline
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I don't know but I get the feeling that Professor Drabinski is deep in a study of this board and that we are all participating in a broad range of topics that will serve as the topic for human behavior in his next thesis!
tailgater Offline
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Professor,
Reread the thread.

Regardless of the percentage of professors who are liberal vs conservative, it is blatantly evident that those with an AGENDA are predominantly on the left. To deny this is simply ignoring the truth.

Likewise, the grading of the professors by the students was based on the teaching METHODS, not the professors inherent beliefs.

Lastly, it was YOU who made the charge of "mentally ill". I'm simply providing an opening for you to rephrase or explain.


Truth be told, I wouldn't know the political philosophy of most of my college professors. Why? Because thier teaching methods were devoid of politics, as it should be.

However, of the 15 to 20% of my professors who did use political philosophy within the classroom, I'd have to say that ALL of them were coming from the left.

Nobody is calling the liberal teachers to task. They are simply exposing those who abuse their position and the opportunity it affords to shape young minds.

Yes, college students have a mind of their own.
But if you, as a college professor, can not admit that their young and naive minds can not be shaped by those who they likely respect then you may have chosen the wrong field of endeavor.

jdrabinski Offline
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These poor, pathetic students, being preyed upon by 15-20% of their professors who make mention of politics from a leftist point of view. They sit alone in the classroom, held captive and submitted to propaganda between occasional teaching of Faulkner, quantum theory, and ancient Greek history. So vulnerable and weak are they, we need the brave forces of the right to storm in and save the day.

I'm unsure if this is a case of McCarthy and the Bolsheviks or a new version of Birth of a Nation! LOL!

Was chemistry being taught from a leftist perspective? Were all the lesser elements rising up against the powerful, selfish compounds, overcoming the hegemony of it all...? Ha ha ha ha...this is all a big, empty scare. If professors were doing such brainwashing, then college graduates would be left-wing. This is demonstrably NOT the case, so I can only conclude that you all are in a fit of paranoia. And I really mean that. This is just paranoia. Always has been. All I ever hear is insinuation and personal anecdote...the evil leftist brainwashers! I saw them with my own eyes! Problem is...the rightwingers are always saying this.

Where's the brainwashing?

Actually, Todog is not too far off. Not off at all, in fact...my intersts in cultural studies has a paper project on bbs culture. Thanks for the input!
tailgater Offline
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Actually, considering that I studied engineering I feel that 15% is quite high. It's true that the sciences tend to be apolitical.

It's not called "liberal arts" for nothing.

So first we're metally ill, now we're paranoid.
What's next?


HockeyDad Offline
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John,

Now that you are a corporate consultant, perhaps a paper on Internet bulletin boards is not the best use of your time. Like you said in another post, "Some of us work and have busy lives." Leave this paper for the jobless on the board and focus on the task at hand, that's how you'll climb the company ladder.

If you feel you must complete this proposed paper for whatever assignment or reason it fulfills, might I suggest a topic...

The rise of Internet bulletin boards and anonymous debate has directly led to the degradation of debate skills and resulted in normal civil face to face conversation being replaced by labeling, name calling, and slurs when conflicting viewpoints are encountered. Sample derogatory responses of a personal nature include but are not limited to: wackos, blind followers of George W Bush, racists, misinformed, cracker, redneck, nutjobs, mentally ill, anti-semitic, and in a fit of paranoia. None of these have any place in a civil debate but the anonymity of the Internet facilitates this breakdown in communication skills. Even perceived academia are not immune from this communication crisis.

Feel free to use this topic for your paper or thesis. I do not need to be cited as a resource. Being that we're both consultants, I already feel that we're like
"two peas in a pod". I'm just glad I could help.
Charlie Offline
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John

The trouble with the entire education system lies in the Political Correctness and leftist leanings of many of our major Universities and the Professors that "haunt" them. You guys on the left had rather teach students to protest than to reason...too bad! The system is sinking with the help of your agendas!

Charlie
jdrabinski Offline
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Give evidence of anything you said. Never seen a professor teach anyone to protest. I have seen every professor work hard to find ways to make difficult ideas clear, improve the writing and speaking skills of students, and so on.

Also, our higher education system is behind only Germany and France (some would say we've reached that level...I hope so) in terms of prestige and faculty output. We're doing great in this country, especially in the humanities and sciences. Why are you so pessimistic?
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UT----ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


GIG'EM,

DAN
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tailgater

"To deny this is simply ignoring the truth."


or it can be called paranoia.

"It's not called "liberal arts" for nothing"

it's called liberal arts because a person from a liniage of morons can be helped to learn on his or her own, what the individual feels is important.

art because it is not dogmatic, has no boundries, and liberal because conservative arts do not exist.

i know the idea that there are idea's foriegn to many of you, and present problems requiring thinking.

so think, it won't really hurt you and the devil, satan, the evil one as you know is a concervative..
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Charlie

sorry charlie, only the best for chicken of the sea.

refresh my memory,the last education class you attended, exclusive of driver's ed to save a point on your mvr was_______________________?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

why arre you picking on john and what are your qualifications to determine that someone is "mentally ill?"
HockeyDad Offline
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Rick,

You'll need to redirect your question to Tailgater regarding the diagnosis of mentally ill. It is actually John Drabinski who is offering this medical diagnosis as part of his debate on the topic. Your point is taken. I'm not sure John has any qualifications to be diagnosing anyone as mentally ill or in a fit of paranoia but he has done both on this thread. I believe the general symptoms that led to the particular diagnosis generally involve simply not agreeing with Mr Drabinski.


"Glad to see that the McCarthyite urges of the extreme right are alive and well out there...and applauded by the mentally ill extreme right of this board." -JDRABINSKI

"This is demonstrably NOT the case, so I can only conclude that you all are in a fit of paranoia. And I really mean that. " -JDRABINSKI
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Just remember Johnny...Marx died a broken and penniless man. I'm not discounting all of his writings, but to live blindly by them and then to sacrifice oneself to "work for the man" is a surrender tactic. The "Foundation" and the "Superstructure" is an accurate account to Capitalism. I guess when a teacher falls on their mantras and prostitutes their entire exisitence for a buck they're no better than someone that's never left the cave and been "enlightened"!



Jousts...Git' yer jousts here...guaranteed good 'nuff to slay the dragons!...Git yer jousts here!


Baw-hahahahahaha!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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PS: We're offering the best jousts available. I'm only offering this deal to you because, well I want you to have them. Well, that and the money...you know where I'm coming from...Et tu Sophist?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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HockeyDad

I am still under the influence of strange and mysterious drugs, that cloud men's minds.

i have lost a few brain cells that will grow back. i can hear the synapses jumping and popping, and if i close my eyes, i can see little flashes of multicolored bulbs. like little tiny christmas lights.

i have no idea what i am even thinking most of the time, but if you look into my eyes, you will not see the back of my skull.

my son ross started playing hockey about 10 years ago, he's 40 now. does that make me a hockey dad also.
Charlie Offline
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Rick,

Good point about my last class, it was the mandatory Drivers Education required by the state for speeding tickets!

However, I have discussed this subject at length with neighbors who have kids in all levels of school and happen to know that they share the same concerns as I do when it comes to the "Political Correctness" subject matters that are being taught in our school systems. History? What Civil War? We did fight such a thing, but it was not important in the events that have shaped this nation (this is PC talk, not me)! I am concerned that we are turning out students who have no idea about historical events such as sinking of the Maine, The Alamo and its implications, to sight a few!

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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charlie

you old hot rod you.

i hope you don't cut off drivers trying to park also.
HockeyDad Offline
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Rick,

Of course that makes you a hockey dad. The only difference is I still have to drive or fly my son everywhere he needs to go.



jdrabinski Offline
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Yet again, I ask for some proof of this invasion of the Leftists in education, and the best I can get it "I talked to someone who said that their kid said that..." Still waiting for someone to DEMONSTRATE this idea that college kids (or other kids) are being brainwashed with Leftist ideas.

It isn't true, it's a paranoid myth, and that's why no one can give proof.

My claims of 'mental illness' here are clearly rhetorical remarks. Please do not take them seriously and commit yourselves to an asylum.
SteveS Offline
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Rick, is your son still playing hockey ??
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I answered...rhetorically!


Say...only because I like you, I'll let you and only you in on this special joust. You deserve it.
Robby Offline
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"What cracks me up about these sort of threads is how everyone is an expert on what professors do. Fact is, however, that no one here has a clue. Unless you are a professor, you don't know."

John, I'm a Senior Network Architect. By applying your logic, unless “anyone” else on this board is a Senior Network Architect, they have no business talking to me about networks because they don’t know …. From shineola? How can this be logical thinking?

tailgater Offline
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Actually, we can take this a step further.

Why would any of us claim that today's professors are so left wing? Or, more correctly, why would we deny this?

Only one on these boards would be inclined to give a BIASED response.

John, you're so busy denying the charge that you fail to see the inherent bias.

Heck, most professors are likely to the right of your views. But that doesn't make them conservative, or even moderate. They're simply less-left than you are.

And thank goodness for that.
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