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part of a story on msnbc.msn.com regarding Saddam's capture

Democrats play it cool

Democrats in Washington, however, were muted in their reaction.

Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota congratulated the Army and intelligence analysts for the successful operation. But his statement did not mention Bush or the White House.

Several Democratic presidential candidates likewise ignored the president in issuing statements hailing Saddam's capture.

“Let's also be clear: Our problems in Iraq have not been caused by one man, and this is a moment when the administration can and must launch a major effort to gain international support and win the peace,” Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said. “We need to share the burden, bring in other countries, and make it clear to the world that Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people."

Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, meanwhile, used his statement to attack the perceived front-runner for the nomination, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont.

While calling it “a day of glory for the American military,” Lieberman said the news “makes clear the choice the Democrats face next year.”

“If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison, and the world would be a more dangerous place,” he said.

"They have made it clear that Iraq Belongs to the Iraqi people.. and do so every day... setting up an Iraqi Governement"

Do you see the contradiction here, usahog?

"Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people"

is said in the same breath as

"setting up an Iraqi government."

You can't claim to give the country back to the people when you appoint its government, system of governance, and economic policy.

Contradiction. Plain and simple. At least be a man and say "we are molding Iraq in our image, whether they like it or not." That'd be the truth.

Are you pissed that they won't be socialist?

A day like today and you've got to stir the pot?

Smoke your best and shut up.

Yeah johnboy why don't you try Hati ! JonR

jdrabinski

Put aside for just one day, your dislike for this administration. Admit our troops did well in capturing this dictator/terrorist/murderer/rapist.

If you cant even admit this, then I agree with Hog and MaddVibe about you. You stir the pot no matter what the latest news is.

This may not be what you intend, but you give an anti-American feeling in your posts.

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I can't wait to see how you react when the oppressed people of Iraq wake up today and realize that Saddam really isn't coming back to haunt them. They'll start ratting out the locations to WOMD,mass graves and weapons caches faster than you can say "liberal"!

Just seeing 4 more years of Bush is probably what's got you so pissed off, what with your firing off on anybody and everybody. That's funny. Seeing what is supposed to be a rational thinking man reduced to what you spew here on this BBS. If your lurking ex-students could see you now!

Instead of celebrating the capture of someone that tyrannically ruled a region and even fired missles into Israel, I would've thought that THAT would be enough to crack a smile on your obviously smaller-than-than-the-Grinch's-heart! Instead now it's about the money! First it's "Oh, we've pissed off the French", then "This is about oil", then "Our soldiers don't know what they're doing", and now it's about the money? Don't fret about that. I'm sure that I'm paying far more into the system than you ever will.

So what's the title of the new book? "It WAS about the oil...off of Saddam's scalp!"

LOL!

Whoops very poor English should have said your man Dean is going to take....

Great for the 4th Infantry Division in all cases! Got the rat out of his hole!

Charlie

I'll answer your question, John,

But first, a few questions of my own...

Do you think that a recently war-torn, chaotic country like Iraq is ready to govern themselves?

Do we just bail and let the chips fall?

Do you think that will best serve all the people of Iraq?

In their embattled state, Iraq would be immediatly taken over by another millitant dictator/s.

Yes, I for one would like to see a form of Democracy there. One that serves all the people of Iraq. Having several different peoples and religions in the country complicates a rule-yourself-now capability.

It is likely that if left to fend for themselves in this stage, only one faction would take control and slaughter the others, you know, kinda' like Saddam did.

One important fact...

No democracy has EVER attacked another.

Yo jdrbungski: pease fogave me postung witout chicking me speling are granma i wil trie 2 doe buter im tho futire. However if I fail to do better you have my permission to Phalusophise over it. JonR

Quote from jdrabinski:
“At least be a man and say "we are molding Iraq in our image, whether they like it or not." That'd be the truth.”
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In my opinion, this just shows one (or both) of two things. One, jdrabinski will never admit anything good came from the war, or two, he is very naïve in the ways of the world and feels just anyone can setup a government.

Using jdrabinski’s logic, he’d have no concerns about flying in a 747 with someone who’s never had flight lessons. I mean, the FAA are just molding their pilots in their own image whether they like it or not.

But what can you expect from someone who believes it’s okay to have a dictator in power that’s reportedly killed over a million people? What can you expect from someone who believes it’s okay NAMBLA has a website that promotes and teaches how to sexually molest young boys? What can you expect from someone who feels it’s okay for professors to use valuable class time to promote their liberal agenda? And finally, what can you expect from someone who believes it NOT okay to create a movie about the life and death of Jesus Christ?

You know what I expect… very little.

Don’t forget this wonderful quote:

“"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people,"

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

Don't you see, Robby, it was wrong for us to do that, even then. We should've bailed on both of those countries and let them develop their own govt. I mean, look at them now. What a mess they're in.

You see, the U.S. is nothing but a ravaging, tyranical imperialism. We are truly the men in the black hats. Shame on us.

So here's a reply from a democrat:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105895,00.html
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WASHINGTON — The Washington congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Rep. Jim McDermott (search), D-Wash., told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S. military could have found Saddam "a long time ago if they wanted." Asked if he thought the weekend capture was timed to help Bush, McDermott chuckled and said: "Yeah. Oh, yeah."

The Democratic congressman went on to say, "There's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing."

When interviewer Dave Ross asked again if he meant to imply the Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons, McDermott said: "I don't know that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was. It was just a matter of time till they'd find him.

"It's funny," McDermott added, "when they're having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something."

State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in "crazy talk" about the Iraq war (search).

"Once again McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible ranting," GOP state Chairman Chris Vance said in a news release. "Calling on him to apologize is useless, but I call on other Democrats to let the public know if they agree with McDermott -- and Howard Dean (search), who recently said he thought it was possible that President Bush had advance knowledge about 9/11. The voters deserve to know if the entire Democratic Party believes in these sorts of bitter, paranoid conspiracy theories (search)."

Last year, Vance and other Republicans labeled McDermott "Baghdad Jim" for comments he made during a trip to Baghdad that President Bush "would mislead the American people" but that Saddam could be trusted.

On Monday, Democrats joined the criticism of McDermott.

"With all due respect to my colleague, that is a fantasy," Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., said of McDermott's comments. "That just is not right. ... It's one thing to criticize this administration for having done this war. I mean, that's a fair question. But to criticize them on the capture of Saddam, when it's such a big thing to our troops, is just ridiculous."

McDermott, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, called the timing of Saddam's capture suspicious but said he was not alleging it had been intentionally delayed.

"Everything was going wrong, and they got a real Christmas gift, if you will, in that the troops did a magnificent job and found" Saddam, he said.

I got an Idea.. Why don't we take all these Politicians and people who feel GWB and the Military Knows whats going on with OBL and hand them the Rifles and Canteens and winter gear, and MRE's and a Couple Humvee's and air drop their ass's in Afagnistan to cover for the Military Men and Women their just long enough to let them be home with their Family's for the Holidays and these SOB's can be away from their Family's and searching the Mountians and Cave's looking for that SOB since they might have a tip from some higher-ups at the White House on where he might be hiding and held up until the right time to catch him to look good... Damn I could see the headlines now on how the Far Left took things into their Own hands and went after Osama themselves during the Holidays to give the Troops a Break to see family back home... How Thoughtful of them Far Left Dems!!!!!!

Hog

Send General Wesley Clark over to lead the silly left wingers who think they know how to capture Osama! He can drive one of the Humvees!

Charlie