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The Conservative Cookie Rebellion
Sylance Offline
#1 Posted:
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Because I was getting bored and wanted to debate something. It's probably because I'm a middle aged white American, but I'm against affirmative action. I believe in the principal, but not the execution. I believe affirmative action (for college) should be done by economic status, not by race.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105827,00.html
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Want to buy a cookie? If you are a white male, that'll be $1; for white females, 75 cents; blacks, 25 cents. The price structure is the message.

Through Affirmative Action Bake Sales, conservative groups on campuses across America are satirically and peacefully spotlighting the injustice of AA programs that penalize or benefit students based solely on gender and race. The cookie rebels are being slammed by such a backlash that the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) -- dreaded by many university administrators -- just shot "an opening salvo" in the rebels' defense.

Thor Halvorssen, CEO of FIRE, declared in a press release last Friday: "Parody and political satire are not illegal in this country. College administrators appear to be under the mistaken impression that protesting affirmative action is not covered by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Freedom of speech is a right enjoyed equally and fully by both supporters and opponents of affirmative action."

What are the AA bake sales, and why do they engender such furor?

The sales are intended to spark discussion, not profits. They are in the same genre as guerrilla theater -- an effective counterculture tactic usually associated with the Left -- through which societal assumptions are challenged by acting out scenarios. To the amazed query, "Are you allowed to do this?" one cookie rebel responded, "Admissions officers do it every day." By shifting the context from university policy to baked goods, the assumptions of affirmative action policies are not only challenged as sexist and racist but also revealed as nonsense.

The cookie rebels are doing the one thing political correctness cannot bear: revealing its absurdity and laughing in its face. They are not merely speaking truth to power; they are chuckling at it.

To regain the moral indignation they prize so highly, the politically correct must demonize the sale of baked goods. Thus, at Indiana University one student filed an official complaint, saying that the cookie sale would "create a climate of hostility against students of color and women and can easily turn violent." (The fact that those students were the ones given a price break didn't seem to occur to the irony-starved critic who equated a buyer's discount with a threat of violence.)

To its credit, Indiana University chose to protect the freedom of speech for both sides of the affirmative action issue; it allowed the bake sale to proceed. Other universities have made the opposite choice.

The College Republicans at the University of Washington sponsored an affirmative action bake sale on Oct. 7. CR President Jason Chambers reported, "Approximately 150 students were gathered around our booth discussing the issue [AA] by about 12:30 when our booth was attacked by leftist students who disagreed with our stance on affirmative action." The Leftists threw cookies to the ground, tore down the display and physically attacked one vendor.

When the leftists began making threats, one of the cookie rebels had called the police because he feared the discussion -- hitherto civil -- might turn violent. Chambers explained, "Unfortunately, rather than step in and arrest our attackers, the police stood by while the University said we, the peaceful ones, had to shut down because WE were creating an unsafe environment. ... Our protests that the CRs were peacefully demonstrating while the leftists got violent fell upon deaf ears."

The university allowed a handful of violent students to decide which political views could or could not be expressed on campus. This is called a "heckler's veto"; it is the last resort of those who cannot win an argument through facts or reason.

Halvorssen commented, "Subsequently, in a frightening betrayal of their fiduciary duty and their obligations to the Bill of Rights, UW's Board of Regents released an open letter condemning the College Republicans for being 'hurtful' while failing to mention the counter-demonstrators' disruption of the College Republicans' peaceful expression of their political views on a matter of pressing public concern."

The University of Washington is not alone.

-- The University of California-Irvine shut down its bake sale as discriminatory.

-- Northwestern University ordered students to cease selling cookies or face the police.

-- Southern Methodist University closed the bake sale after 45 minutes because it created an "unsafe" environment.

-- William and Mary officials -- claiming to be "shocked and appalled" -- also cut off the cookies.

Clearly, universities don't like the affirmative action bake sales. One reason: The sales, like that at Indiana University, often feature petitions "to ban the collection of racial data, particularly in the admissions and hiring processes."

But most of all, the politically correct do not like being publicly mocked and revealed as ridiculous.

FIRE is performing the valuable task of shining a bright light on the viciousness with which the PC respond to mockery. Its campaign "will include mailings to alumni, parents, university donors, and state legislators."

Meanwhile the most effective thing the rest of us can do is to keep laughing.

Boss Tweed -- that symbol of political corruption from 19th century New York -- used to rail against cartoonists who parodied him without pause. Tweed knew he could politically survive anything except being the brunt of jokes. As with Tweed, so too with AA. That's the way the cookie and policy crumble.
tonester666 Offline
#2 Posted:
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no debate here I share your viewpoint. Great article.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
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your right. let's go back to excluding blacks, jews, catholics, hispanics and any other group that has been systematically excludded in participation in the american dream because they are not white protestants.

who do these people think they are trying to catch up or get ahead.

we've had 30 or 40 years of affirmative acction, that should make up for the several hundred years that the blacks were here as slaves.

as for the rest, it's their own fault they were excluded, they should have been born wasps and they wouldn't have had any problem.
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted:
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Bravo!
To Sylance, not Rick.

Rick, looks like the group was successful in creating discussion. (until leftist freaks crashed camp).

Does your staunch sarcasm indicate there should be no discussion? It appears as such.
xibbumbero Offline
#5 Posted:
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Bravo to Rick not sylance. BTW everything was fine until them right wing weirdos crashed camp,LOL. X
usahog Offline
#6 Posted:
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LMAO @ X LMAO.....

Hog

btw I'm workin on my !!! But it's HARD~~~~~
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
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tailgater

you and tonester666 agreeing with Sylance does not constitute a discussion.
65gtoman Offline
#8 Posted:
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hey rick read this lol

So This Is (a Conservative) Christmas - Lyrics

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/12112003-1.shtml

you could sing this on Christmas
65gtoman Offline
#9 Posted:
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i mean a RamaHanuKwanzMas, thats the new term from the aclu lol

uncleb Offline
#10 Posted:
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LMAO at Hog.

Remeber Hog, the first step to rehabilitation is admitting you have a problem.

LMAO

B
tonester666 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Sorry Rick, but you see, neither myself nor my ancestors lived in this country during the slave years. So for anyone to even insinuate that I should suffer because I am a white male is a full load of BS. My grandparents came here with nothing. They were able to obtain citizenship and get jobs - NO WELFARE. English was the 4th language they learned. So don't punish me or mine.

The least bit of common sense should tell you this type of affirmative action for colleges is just wrong.
Come on Rick even the educated minorities can see it and the ones with balls condemn it.

Let me ask you is it better for a person who can not pass the standard entrance requirements to be allowed in and then be humiliated when they fail miserably or is it better to fix the root problem?

And I am not a WASP!!
tonester666 Offline
#12 Posted:
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in reply to
"your right. let's go back to excluding blacks, jews, catholics, hispanics and any other group that has been systematically excludded in participation in the american dream because they are not white protestants"

This article and sylance never say they want to exclude anyone. They are just showing how nonsensical this policy is. Besides you lumped me and my grandparents in with your exclusion list. Sorry but we just don't feel excluded.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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tonester666

now we are having a discussion thanks to you.

we need more people's 2 cents to get a broader prospective.
tailgater Offline
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Rick,
The "discussion" I was referring to was on the college campus.

Your snide remark indicates you are against discussing Affirmative Action and possible inequalities.

But of course, we could also discuss it here.
We are often able to fix all that is wrong in this world on these boards.

Or maybe it's the cigars...
Sylance Offline
#15 Posted:
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Here’s my point of view. According to www.dictionary.com, racism has the following definition:

Racism:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

“in human character or ability”

Affirmative action tells me that we believe as a society, certain races do not have the character or ability to achieve their goals. We must assist them and make it easier for them to get by. We patronize them. When we apply affirmative action, we look at race before we look at the quality of the individual’s character. This is what bothers me. Anytime we look at race first, we are racist… whether it’s a degrading or favorable view.

I’ll end this with a small… very small quote from Martin Luther King, Jr.

“I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.”
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

cool it. i was not being snide on my second post.
JustDanD Offline
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While I agree that reverse discrimination was needed to right a wrong (of which I had no part in), I also believe that it has become a crutch less than an aid.

Paying my daughters college costs takes every bit of my budget and I am happy to do it. She has worked hard, gotten good grades and is in the Honors program at the University. She works after school in the mall and they keep trying to make her a manager, but she refuses because college comes first. We get no tax breaks, no tuition assistance and no color based scholorships.

On the other hand, kids who attended the exact same high school as she did, live in the same housing area that we do, drive cars better than I can afford, are given price breaks and scholorships to the same university that she attends. They got in with lower grades and will continue to be given extra "assistance" while my daughter will work her ass off to get through. These kids are not poor, not uneducated and not slaves.

Is this fair? Is this the proper use of tax dollars? Shouldn't the "assistance" be placed on the financial need of children and not based on the color of their skin?

Slavery may have taken place over 100's of years, but it only takes a few generations of "fairness" to set things right. After that, let it be the hard work and dedication of the people that earn their rewards. You can no more foster a love between races with Reverse discrimination, than was done with Discrimination. Violence is the answer of the ignorant and should NEVER be rewarded as a behavior.

.02
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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Rick,
No, you weren't.
I was referring to your original post.

My post was confusing. Sorry.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

you are correct, the first one was snide, sarcastic, and any other s word that will fit.
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted:
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scrump-dilly-iscious?
JonR Offline
#21 Posted:
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yer vanna kookie ? Kookie Kookie loan me your comb ? To be politically correct Oreo has made a cookie with vanilla wafers and chocolate fudge filler. I guess they made them for caucasian wannabe rappers, but your guess is as good as mine. JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted:
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oreo also makes a white chocolate dipped regular oreo for christmas. it is a chocolate lover's dream.

if i had any teeth, it would rot them. as it is, my gums tingle.
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