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JonR Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 1:22 PM EST
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Tolerance,Relativism and the Dangers of philosophy with Children. A Delemma. ... http://www.hem.passagen.se/bmr/Barnfilosofi/English/Ragnars.html
JonR Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 1:35 PM EST
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The url much like philosophy professors does not work. If your interested do a google search " Danger of Philosophy ' and go to " Tolerance,Relativism and the Dangers of Philosophy with Children. A Delemma. It's how the teaching of philosophy is screwing-up the minds of our children. JonR
jdrabinski Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 2:56 PM EST
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JonR, when you can spell 'delemma' correctly, get back to us...

Funny thing: the article espouses a philosophical position. Any introduction to philosophy, even philosophy for dummies type books, will tell you in about ten seconds that hardly anyone in the history of philosophy is a relativist. Or a skeptic. Read up on it, JonR. Your obsession with John is insane. Google searching the dangers of philosophy? Get help.
Robby Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 3:42 PM EST
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fillosopically speaking of course...
sketcha Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 3:49 PM EST
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jd,

My Word software is not working right now so I'm not certain, is "Or a skeptic." a complete sentence?
Secret_Agent_Man Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 5:41 PM EST
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Jon

Even though you spelled 'delemma' incorrectly, many others spell it like you do. Even medical and business websites do. JD is just being a dickweed again.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=delemma&btnG=Google+Search

PS: it's spelled 'dilemma'

(__{SAM}_____]]]]~~
JonR Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 5:42 PM EST
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Yo jdrabanski: johnnyboy in the recent post " cut and paste sucks " you gave us permission to misspell and now you call me on it. You hurt my feelings dave. Oh and just for the record let me restate my feelings p.e.t.a and philosophy professors both suck on an equal basis. JonR
jdrabinski Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 5:46 PM EST
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'Or a skeptic' is fine as a sentence.

JonR, do you live in Sweden?
Homebrew Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2003, 7:43 PM EST
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JonR,
Dave hurt you feelings?????
Sorry. I don't know how??? Or was it a different Dave??
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
JonR Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 6:10 AM EST
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Yo Homebrew: Nah not you, I inadvertently typed Dave as I was talking to my brother Dave on my cellphone while I was typing. I Meant to type John. JonR
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 6:15 AM EST
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Cool,
I usually like to know, that I am hurting feelings when I do it, not after the fact. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
plabonte Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 6:16 AM EST
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"Or a skeptic" is not fine as a sentence. Going back to my grade school memories I can't help but think of Sister Mary Ellen and diagramming sentences. The first thing I learned when diagramming sentences was to pick out the Noun and the verb. Can't find either in "Or a skeptic". Can you help me out with it jdrabinski?
jdrabinski Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 6:59 AM EST
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Plabonte, it is a literary convention, one intended to keep the conversational rhythms of writing without the often cumbersome restraints of semi-colons and colons. That's why you'll see this sort of sentence in, say, an editorial, not in a strict news item.

It is an adult convention, to be sure, so it is not taught in grammar school. Technically, in the sense of grammar books, it is 'incorrect,' but (like slang) is a common convention found and accepted everywhere. You'll find it everywhere from the editorial page to academic books. And with good reason. Conversational flow is the goal of most writing.
plabonte Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:15 AM EST
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That is all very interesting. So it is ok because it is commonly done in our society.

Per Secret_Agent_Man "Even though you spelled 'delemma' incorrectly, many others spell it like you do. Even medical and business websites do. "

By your logic JonR's incorrect spelling should be accepted because it is commonly done in our society. So you were wrong to bring it up. Please don't do so again.
JonR Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:30 AM EST
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Yo Plabonte: Your correct my misspelling of the word dilemma ( delemma ) should have been accepted. However jdrabinski just used it as an excuse to viciously attack me as he has done so many times in the past. OBTW did I mention that he even once called me a clown. I'm so hurt I can't even type any longer, must try and get over the pain. JonR
JonR Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:31 AM EST
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Okay the pain is all gone, bring on that **** jdrabinski or his alter ego. JonR
jdrabinski Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:33 AM EST
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JonR, do you live in Sweden? Or did you not actually read the article?

Plabonte, a literary convention is different than 'everybody is doing it.'
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:34 AM EST
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without a philosophical approach to life, life has no meaning.

then life is no more then the passing of time from birth to death, interrupted with moments of emotion.

and it reduce a man to a mass of protoplasm capable of feeling.

perhaps that is all life is.
jdrabinski Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:36 AM EST
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Also, JonR, 'you're correct,' not 'your correct.'

LOL! What a fun game...correct the grammar ('gramer' for you, JonR).
jdrabinski Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:37 AM EST
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Rick, in all seriousness, that is very true.
JonR Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 8:00 AM EST
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Rick and jadrabinski hug and skip off hand in hand into the sunset... fade to black. JonR
plabonte Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 8:36 AM EST
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This IS kind of fun.

How is a literary convention different from 'everybody is doing it'? I mean is there a high priest of literacy that decrees what is acceptable and what isn't?

You stated "...but (like slang) is a common convention found and accepted everywhere".

Slang is originated when everyone starts using it. Not when on person says "Alright, now we are going to say fat to mean really good but we are going to spell it Phat" and then its law.

Again going back to my grade school days Sister Mary Ellen (who by the way was a real witch) use to say, "Ain't ain't in the dictionary" because there was no such word. Well its in there now. Not because the President of English said so. But because the vast majority of people use this term.

JonR, considering the status of Hubcap on this board being called a clown I think is a compliment.
Homebrew Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 8:54 AM EST
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Hey Plabonte,
Were you reading my mind.
"JonR, considering the status of Hubcap on this board being called a clown I think is a compliment. "
I was thinking the same thing. Much nicer than being called ,Paraphrase, Charmin. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. The name calling does dimenish the arguements.
By the way, without Philosophy, there would be no such thing as Religion, Government, or BOTL. As each one calles for a Philosophy that drives it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 9:11 AM EST
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Don't confuse Philosophy with freewill,faith and beliefs.

Homebrew Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 9:18 AM EST
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Hell,
I can't spell today either. LOL
Religion is a Philosophy. Belief, faith, etc. is part of the Philosophy.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 9:22 AM EST
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Definitions of Philosophy,

[n] a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school
[n] any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"
[n] the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
plabonte Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 9:45 AM EST
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What does that definition have to do with spelling or clowns though?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 9:51 AM EST
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Homebrew...

You're wrapping yourself with a blanket statement that isn't exactly accurate. Philosophers(at least the pre-Socratic and post-modern ones)would argue that religion is for weakings or its "the opiate for the masses". Their defination of God and religion is one that's argued to its exisitence and not its belief.

Jung, Marx, DeCartes, Plato, Socrates...the list goes on and on and on would argue that there is no reason to believe what you can't see or create with your own hands. Be careful how you describe the term Philosophy as it's an all encompassing term that has meant many things since man started thinking. It's been eons since Mathematics and Medicine were taught under the guise of Philosophy. Most of the time, Philosophy is just a mental cripple's way of attacking the world from a classroom because of a flaw in their character. Drabinski is the poster child for what I'm talking about. I won't say that its a useless subject, but I wouldn't want to try to make a living with it either! It's one of those subjects that one takes in college. They either fall head first into the punji trap or jump over it.
Homebrew Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 10:16 AM EST
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DMV,
I just posted the Definitions of Philosophy. That is a blanket Definition, because Philosophy encompasses all religions. Jung, Marx, DeCartes, Plato, Socrates, said that about religion, because it conflicted with THEIR Philosophy. That does not mean that religion is not a form of Philosophy. I'm sorry, but Socrates, and the Bunch do not define Philosophy, but their beliefs, are defined as Philosophy, as all belief structures are.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
al'Thor Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 10:31 AM EST
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I agree with homie - as far as what I learned in my philosphy class in college(called Ethics - isn't that funny? My first grade teacher wife is told they can't teach ethics, but it's a required course in college...) - anyway, it was basically a rundown of a bunch of very smart people who tried to figure out what life was all about - which is basically what all the different religions are doing - and at the end of the semester, we were supposed to write a paper about one of them. I chose christianity as it is my 'religion' and 'philosophy' - I explained how it was close to one of the taught categories (I think it was Aristotelian something or other)and the professor was blown away - she said it really made her think - I think she finally decided it was a bunch of crap, but I'm glad it made her think...hmm...seem to be rambling...what were we talking about?
billyjackson Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 10:55 AM EST
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Ethan,

Your Ethics prof was "blown away" from your connection of Christianity and Aristotle? Where did she get her degree? How did she skip over Aquinas?

But then again, maybe I could use a course in ethics!!!
Homebrew Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 11:40 AM EST
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It's funny you should mention it. My comparative religion class, taught at a Private University, was in the philosophy department. My Professor, had two PHDs. One was in Theology, the other in philosophy. He also had a masters, in History.
I learned alot. As a matter of fact, this subject, was one of the first we discussed. There were in fact, a couple of the younger students, Theology majors, that tried to argue that religion should not be under the Philosophy department. I wish I could find my notes from that class, as I took it, almost 10 years ago. Where ever the notes are, in some box in the attic, I'll bet the texts used in the class are right beside it. There were 9 required books, including the Bible, for that course.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
al'Thor Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 12:30 PM EST
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Billy, Billy - of course the professor was not blown away from my connection of christianity and aristotle - she was blown away by my brilliant writing and insights, of course....
CWFoster Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 12:58 PM EST
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OK, back to the original idea. If a word is misspelled in a post and no one reads it, is it still misspelled?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 1:39 PM EST
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CWFoster

if a bear **** in the woods and no one is there, the **** is still there.
jdrabinski Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 2:04 PM EST
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If a word is misspelled, then it was once perceived by the original (mis) speller, which means it was brought into being by the original writer.

Esse est percipi
CWFoster Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 2:39 PM EST
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Point taken Rick! but the prize goes to jdrabinski, with a post I can make no sense of whatsoever! LOL
0patience Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 4:43 PM EST
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jdrabinski,
HUH??

CWFoster,
I have to agree with ya Bro, I read it 3 times, still couldn't figure out what it said.

Oh weel, my speel cheeker is'nt werking, so I s'pose it will show the country bumkin I truely am. LOL!!
If you can read it, then it is spelt correctly. :)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:30 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe

jdrabinski is not the "poster child" for anything.

we all have our philosphical approach to life, we may call it by another name, but it is the force that allows us to go on living.

if your approach to life is that the boss is out to get me, that is your philosphy. "bosses are out to get people"

most of the time how you will respond to input is based on what you learned as a child, and the habits that were formed then. just because you don't spend time thinking about it doesn't mean a philosophy of how you view the world and where you fit into the scheme of things isn't there in your psyche
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Dec 23 2003, 7:38 PM EST
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billyjackson

when toby and i cruised the carabbean, i think we stopped at that island "st thomas aquinas". mostly tee shirts and some necklesses made of sea shells. i couldn't understand them.

sounded like latin or italian.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Dec 24 2003, 4:50 AM EST
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Rick, I really don't see how what you said to me is relevant to Ski being a first class schlub. You lean to the left, but you still make me laugh. I lean to the right and make you laugh, but schlubbo only makes enemies. Every post is tinged or tainted with hate. You can search the boards up and down and see that there isn't another schlub that has the "nest" distrubed more than him/her/who knows/who cares/who's keeping score/Who's on first.

If you were referring to the defination of the word, then I can meet you and Dave somewhere in the middle, but it's too ambiguous a word to paint into a corner, and that's really where I was coming from.
Homebrew Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Dec 24 2003, 7:36 AM EST
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DrMaddvibe,
I must agree with you. Damn what am I saying?? LOL
Seriously. We can meet in the Middle. There are very few people, that I really have a problem with, in life. I believe that I am tolerant of others, respect their beliefs, even when they differ from my own. I myself, am Christian. I have no problem with other religous beliefs, they just are not mine. I have studied other religions, including Shamanism, and Druidism, and can find the beauty in them. Therefore I am against state sponsered religion, even though mine would be the one sponsered. My Ex-girlfriend was a Pagan, another reason we were not compatible. We are still friends, and respect each others beliefs. There are bad people, of all faiths, but that has nothing to do with their religion. As far as my Philosophy for life, that I aspire to live up to, is based on Christian values. Not just the old testament, as many do without even knowing it. But the new testament as well. I ask myself. What would Jesus do??? That is my philosophy, that I try to live by, though I am not always successful. If you ever meet anyone who does, and is successful at it, then you have just met Christ, and guess where you are. LOL
My Brothers DMV and Rick. You both have an open invitation, as does any of my other BOTL, to visit, Have your pick of my Humidor, and My Bar, and engage in a spirited discussion, of politics, religion, or any other topic, we may discuss.
Here's wishing you all, A Merry Christmas, and A Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Dec 24 2003, 7:43 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe

who can argue with th word schlub?

i got lost somewhere with jdbrinski beng a college professor and then not being who he says he is. enter the mysterious stranger posting as jd.

i am always surprised at the end of a mystery book. i thought someone else did it.

he, whoeve he is, does write condescendingly, but i do also, up to a point and only when i am dealing with the children on the board.

i don't think you and i have ever butted heads and that is good. left, right, as they say in the people's court raise your right hand, no, your other right hand.

and stan freeberg, in "stan freeberg presents the united states of america", said referring to the signing of the declaration of independence, "who cares, 100 years from now, nobody will remember."

if you are not familiar with the album, i will burn a copy of it for you and send it to your mailing address, which of course i don't have. the album is funny, and i do know funny.

lenny bruce is laughing in his grave.

RICKAMAVEN
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Homebrew Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Dec 24 2003, 12:46 PM EST
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Hey Rick,
Soes that album have,
"I'm a Christmas tree\Hanakah Bush" On it?
Just wondering??
Stan has a great sense of humor.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
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