that's interesting for I don't really care for the other Flor de Oliva's, I am gradually working my way through a bundle of the short torpedoes, I find Duques much better when I just want pure power. In fact I suspect the Flor De Oliva's are seconds, aren't these made by the same people as Perdomo? I also suspect they are like in training cigars, what I mean made by newer rollers that start out on this and then work up to the premium cigars, kind of like beef jerky, scrape up what's left on the floor and make it into meat (cigars in this case). Mind you, what is on the floor of this cigar factory is still not bad.