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Coward Dean says Osama's not guilty anything
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65gtoman Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 8:58 AM EST
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36335


DEAN NOT SURE OSAMA'S GUILTY
(WorldNetDaily) Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean says he's not sure Osama bin Laden is guilty of anything even though the leader of the al-Qaida terrorist network has boasted of his attacks on the U.S., including the one Sept. 11, 2001. Dean made the stunning comments in an interview published today in New Hampshire's Concord Monitor.
The Monitor asked: "Where should Osama bin Laden be tried if he's caught?"
According to the paper, Dean said he didn't think it made any difference, and if he were president he would consult with his lawyers for advice on the subject.
mroptimistic Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:09 AM EST
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More right wing BS. He said there shouldn't be a prejudgment. There shouldn't be a death penalty assigned to him before he has made his way through the legal system. We shouldn't make exceptions to our legal system just because we feel strongly about a certain individual. Dean also said, "As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves."

"I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials," notice how he claims that he is VERY LIKELY TO BE FOUND GUILTY, he never claims that osama is not guilty of anything.

Maybe you should read up before spouting, although that wouldn't be a very republican thing to do.
CWFoster Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:11 AM EST
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How about this one?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33937
65gtoman Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:14 AM EST
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hehehe
smelly4tay Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:15 AM EST
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Once again, gto posts one of the most misleading articles ever published. You somehow forgot to call liberals communists in this thread, gto?? What is happening?

CWFoster Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:32 AM EST
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that's a given :)
usahog Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:57 AM EST
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Where the Hell do you Liberal SOB's get off thinking Osama should be run through Our Legal system?? what rights does he have to a fair trial?? what rights does he have to be tried in the United States System Period??? you'se all need to read up on some that there legal system and Citizenship... just like #3 of the rights to Citizenship in the United States... You Lose that right when you take up arms against your Country or are deemed a Combatant there of.... so should be tried in the world courts not the US of A... IE John Walker Linsye (sp) SOB shoulda fell out the back of a C-130 on final before entering the USA.. then the Tax Payers put him through Court and then also pay to move him closer to his Parents in Cali from Virgina.. hell why don't we just give the Prick a Condo in Palm Beach also??? and the other 600 Detainees at Gitmo.. folks thinkin they need a fair trial and should be treated as POW's.. their Frickin Combatants they had no Country Government they were fighting for.. they were Fighting to Kill Infadels.. and you bleeding hearts would be the first thing they would GUTT if they could get close to ya.. but that wont happen either.. because we got Fighting Men and Women who Protect your sorry ass's!!!!!!!

if you don't know the laws and how there laid out.. Please Keep your Yapper Shut.. your sorry drivil is waisting KB's that could be used on my next bids...

Hog
xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 10:12 AM EST
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LMAO...unbelievable. X
JonR Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 10:56 AM EST
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Yo Hog: Outstandingly Stated !!! However let me add that it might go well if they throw 6 to 12 liberals out of the C-130 first, just for test purposes ! JonR
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 11:38 AM EST
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LMAO...unbelievable. X
CWFoster Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 11:46 AM EST
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you GO boyyyeeeeee!
SteveS Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 12:03 PM EST
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It's crap like this that keeps me from considering liberals for high office ... Osama Bid Laden should be strung up by his b@lls from the nearest tree limb when he's caught ...
Secret_Agent_Man Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 12:23 PM EST
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I dont want anyone in office that is soft on terrorism, be it Rep or Dem. I think Dean would be a softy.

Steve, Osama doesnt have b@lls. He's shown that by how he operates. But I do agree with hanging him.

(__{SAM}_____]]]]~~
Charlie Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 6:08 PM EST
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Dean is nothing but a damn fool!

Charlie
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 6:51 PM EST
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Ok So I appologize for being so heavy on the Dem's out there... Sorry Guy's/Gal's I was cought off guard with this piece of **** Dean... and "anyone who would and I've heard them many times" be soft on them Poor SOB's locked up at Gitmo... thinking they fall under the Genieva Convention as POW'S... Not So... they are/were Combatants.. they have no Governement they were fighting for/under they simply have one agenda.. Kill Americans or anyone who sides with Americans... therefore the best thing we should do is turn each one loose.. give him a compass,surfboard,suntan/babyoil,canteen,fishing pole, some chum, halfpack a cigs and some matches, razorblade.. Then send them in the direction of their country they came from...no more feeding the Bastards... No more babysitting them while they work off a woody in front of our female Soldiers and red cross workers... no need for clothing them and if they can make their journey back to their homeland without interference from the sun,sharks and other sealife out their they are more then welcome to TRY and take up arms against Americans again... then Greenpeace can send out there rescue boats and assist whats left of the freshly released poor detainee's... and We can have some more fun Taking out the Boats/ships who are aiding and abeding known comatatants against our Country...Now Wouldn't that be Justice Served????
plus it will give some of our New Pilots some range time for combat experience before they have to deploy somewhere else defending this Great Country we all live in!!!!!

just my .02 cents worth...

Hog

xibbumbero Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 7:07 PM EST
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Hog,You are forgiven,LOL. Happy New Year and I hope youse get better. X
usahog Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 7:54 PM EST
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X, Thank You and God Bless to You and Your's!!!!

I'm gettin better everyday Bro!!!
I just try to ignor the small **** LOL... my wife is the worry wort LOL....

Hog
mroptimistic Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Dec 28 2003, 9:21 PM EST
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So if we just assumed without proof that someone was guilty of taking up arms against this country, and decided to search the world and find him, its ok to just off him and not bother actually figuring out if he is guilty or not? That sure is an easy way out.
CWFoster Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 3:15 AM EST
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Exactly mroptimistic! Why would anybody think that going on Al Jezeera TV and taking credit for an act be construed as any REAL evidence that they did it??? (it was probably the butler, everyone knows the butler did it!)
65gtoman Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 3:29 AM EST
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jdrabinski? lol
Robby Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 4:49 AM EST
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mroptimistic and others on the left, you guys need to pick your battles... This one is a no brainer. If you watched someone break in to your house, kill your children, rape your wife, and then beat you senseless, would you still feel the same way? i.e., they're not guilty because they haven't been "found guilty" by the American legal system? That BS, guilty people walk every day!!

And in the case of Bin Laden, that’s like defending Don King as a businessman with high morals and scruples! You just can’t possibly win!! Again, I think sometimes the libs have some defensible positions; this just isn’t one of them. You guys need to pick your battles…
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 4:59 AM EST
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US Citizens deserve a fair legal trial.
Guilty until proven innocent.

Last I checked, Bin Laden isn't a US Citizen.
Even if he were somehow NOT directly guilty of the 9/11 attacks, he has accepted responsibility and has called for more of the same on a worldwide scale.

How anyone can assume he "deserves" a fair shake is beyond my understanding.

Unless they lie with the enemy...
mroptimistic Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 5:14 AM EST
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first cwfoster notice how i didn't mention osamas name. Yes osama has made claims to it, but what about next time, what about other similar cases except without a confession or claim.

Nobody is saying he isn't guilty. What they are saying is, for example in your incident Robby, if someone broke into my house and did all that, I would know he is guilty but I would be in no place to determine his sentence. It may be life in prison, or it may be the death penalty. Each individual in this country has no say on what osamas punishment is and that is what dean is saying.
AVB Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 5:15 AM EST
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Harry Truman, one of the better Presidents of last century had trials. You don't think some of those war criminals stopped at a measly 3,000 now do you? Since I don't place our current President at the same level I would at least hope he follows the same rules.

We are a nation of laws that apply to all. If we change that then this country will no longer be what it was.
SteveS Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 5:32 AM EST
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============================================================
Refering to Osama Bin Laden, MrOptimistic says:
"we just assumed without proof that someone was guilty"
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You're kidding, right? ... or, like Rip Van Winkle, did you just wake up from a 20 year nap ??
65gtoman Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 5:56 AM EST
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Truman ordered atomic bombs to be dropped on cities devoted to war work. Two were Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

65gtoman Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:17 AM EST
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I guess the few that lived through the fallout got a fair trail. lol
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:17 AM EST
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Dropping 2 bombs saved countless lives and brought an end to WWII. The options presented to generals at that time made this a no-brainer! Targeting mass population targets like Tokyo were off the table in favor of cities that were enabling the Japanese military machine.

Sucks to be them, but it also sucked to be aboard the USS Arizona on Dec. 7th, 1941 in the early am!
65gtoman Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:17 AM EST
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*trial
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:19 AM EST
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Don't know why, but when it comes to seeing images of WTC and what happened to the US on 9-11 I just can't help hearing the restrains of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start The Fire", maybe Billy better sit back down and write a couple of NEW verses!
65gtoman Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:24 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe you are correct sir! We should look to the past for answers not to our old enemies.

65gtoman Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:27 AM EST
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Im sure Harry Truman would have dropped the bomb on these maggots if he was in charge today.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:43 AM EST
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tailgater

you were doing well with your argument until you made the statement

"Unless they lie with the enemy"

you are suggesting tht if i thought saddam deserved a "fair shake" or being in the desert a "date shake".
i then lie with the enemy.

that was a nasty remark, not a conclusion



Robby Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 6:44 AM EST
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Some people just need killin...
65gtoman Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 7:05 AM EST
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The enemy within by mike savage is a very good book. I just got done reading it.


Charlie Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 7:06 AM EST
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And killin' is too good for some of the trash that we have to deal with!

Charlie

PS How is this for Justice? "Well Saddam, about now you should be thinking, did he fire 6 shots or 5? But since this is a 44 magnum the most powerful handgun in the world.........."
65gtoman Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 7:10 AM EST
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I say make him watch the Marathon Man over and over lol

IS IT SAFE?

Robby Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 12:38 PM EST
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Where is it?
JonR Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 1:14 PM EST
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It's over there. JonR
cooksta2 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2003, 3:43 PM EST
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here's a scenario!! While he's waiting for trial I say we pass out red and blue sticks, after all the right and left wing are invited, hang him from a tree and have a pinata party on the front lawn of the whitehouse while his fate is legally decided. After all, he deserves to observe the land and people he admittedly tried to destroy while he hangs in the balance of of justice and the American way. Ha ha ha ha
65gtoman Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Dec 30 2003, 3:37 PM EST
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Dean says there shouldn’t be a prejudgment. But yet he says bush is guilty.

Why is bush prejudged…..

mroptimistic Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Dec 30 2003, 3:44 PM EST
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
STEVES
"============================================================
Refering to Osama Bin Laden, MrOptimistic says:
"we just assumed without proof that someone was guilty"
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You're kidding, right? ... or, like Rip Van Winkle, did you just wake up from a 20 year nap ?? "
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Hey SteveS, may i suggest hooked on phonics, as reading obviously isn't your strongest subject.

Ill repeat what I said

"first cwfoster notice how i didn't mention osamas name. Yes osama has made claims to it, but what about next time, what about other similar cases except without a confession or claim. "

So now i guess its my turn to ask, your kidding right?... or am i correct in my assumption that you lack basic reading skills?

@65gtoman - Dean has said he as an american would like to see him get the death he deserves and that he is guilty, so he has every right to say others are guilty without being a hypocrite. He says not to prejudge the sentance, to not conclude that osama is getting the death penalty before that decision has been made by those with the authority to make it.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Dec 30 2003, 3:58 PM EST
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mroptimistic

disareeing is what we all do.

only a few use personal attacks because that is their mind set. for example:

"like Rip Van Winkle, did you just wake up from a 20 year nap ??"

"Hey SteveS, may i suggest hooked on phonics, as reading obviously isn't your strongest subject."

if you don't mind, may i suggest a little more of your facts, and a little less of your discourtesy.













unless of course, you are a complete ass hole, in which case you may f**k off.
65gtoman Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Dec 30 2003, 4:02 PM EST
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I think mroptimistic is jrabinski.
usahog Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Dec 30 2003, 4:57 PM EST
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Ditto what Rick said...

gto I think your right... fr*ckin Shame somebody would have to change their handle because they challenged someone on their Schooling.. and then lost their ass so bad I laughed for 2 days.... I'm still laughing at the fact it wasn't the person who they say they was I let someone else use that CONDOM!!!!!

DER!!!!!! I had a GF once who was ByPolar.. I kicked her out FAST.. she would take her meds then drink a 12 pack of Corona a day.. I could take her to walmart and in the length of an aisle she could show 3 personalitys
one thing about it.. I sometimes felt I was getting a different piece of butt everynight without leaving the house...
now back to the Regularly Scheduled discussion... Johnboy I told you before.. you need to see your Doc...

Hog
mroptimistic Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Dec 31 2003, 8:41 AM EST
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Hey rick, why dont you tell steve the same thing, he initiated the insults with that rip van winkle comment, and i dont take well to people putting words in my mouth, especially when i have already clarified the point for others.
CWFoster Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Jan 2 2004, 8:06 AM EST
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mroptimistic- You didn't mention OBL's name, but he WAS the direction the thread was taking. For all intents and purposes, he has confessed. Or maybe bragging about it doesn't amount to a confession? As much as I would like to see him (I'm talking about OBL here, not any hypothetical somebody else) caught and punished I'd like to make a few points. First, if caught and run through ANY justice system, while he is tried, he would be a rallying point for other extremests to take hostages and demand his release. Second, if put to the death which he so richly deserves, he would become an inspiring martyr to those of a like mind (or lack thereof). Taking these two points into account, maybe the troops who find him would serve humanity better if they just put a bullet in his head, and buried him in an unmarked grave.
That being said, please don't take the words I applied to a specific case, and try to imply I was making a blanket statement, and then whine that someone is putting words into YOUR mouth! I realize we read more into what Dean said than he actually did say, but that's politics, and both sides are equally guilty, but we don't have to try to verbally ambush each other.
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