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Robby Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 7:10 AM EST
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To be a liberal. To stare HARD at the clouds and ignore the silver linings. To hope against hope that this is a false recovery and that the economy is not really coming back as hard and as fast as it is. To hope against hope that we flounder in Iraq. To pray that we don't find Osama in a spider hole like you said we would never get Sadam. To glower at the stock market on the rise. To seek to cast a pallor over America's future in the world as a super power. How sad, how very sad indeed. Conservatives aren't jumping for joy that these are the good ol days, but we're happy that things ARE getting better. We ARE winning battles in our war on terror. We ARE improving the economy. We ARE increasing home ownership. We ARE seeing an increase in jobs. Things are getting better and it just galls those would rather shove a tent spike though their ear than see Bush "re-elected".
Cigarick Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 7:14 AM EST
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Well said! The Demoncratic party is imploding. It's pretty funny to watch.
divnmyk Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 8:47 AM EST
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I'm right there with you.
Things are looking better every day yet it's hard to find someone willing to admit it.
M
dz130 Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 8:48 AM EST
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I just LOVE that tent spike part. ROTFLMFAO! Good one.
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 9:02 AM EST
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From the background is heard...

SNICKERING
JonR Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 9:17 AM EST
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Yo Robby: Most excellently stated, but er could you possibly replace "tent spike " with " bad frog ", {:O) jk. JonR
jjohnson28 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 10:07 AM EST
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Now you got me wondering if they'll let me pass out tent spikes at my local polling station next November.Actually we're pretty conservative here in South Orange County for the most part,but I could take a drive over to Ricks neck o' the woods...LOL
SteveS Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 10:52 AM EST
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Man, I could go through several truckloads of tent spikes in this part of CA !! ... and I'm looking forward with greater anticipation than words can say to have the opportunity to do so ...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 11:18 AM EST
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Robby

if you define anything incorrectly, the wrong conclusions will be drawn as evidenced by your definition.

some people look at things and say why, others look at things and say why not. liberals say why not.
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 12:10 PM EST
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It is sad indeed. An economic recovery minus jobs. X
pabloescabar Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 12:22 PM EST
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arnt they donkys whats the word for that anyway?
jgjam Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 2:05 PM EST
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For Rick...

Conservative "Let's outlaw liberals and lock them up."

Liberal "Why not."

Robby Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jan 3 2004, 8:06 PM EST
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How can there be an economic recovery "without jobs?" Isn't that an oxymoron? Of course there are jobs! New ones every day!! The economy is getting stronger, the market is up, interest rates stay low, and inflation stays low. How can ANYONE deny that things are at least getting better!!??
pabloescabar Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 1:11 PM EST
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its the donkey mentality,doom sayers...
dont vote the liberal jack a s in for a weak America!
sketcha Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 2:32 PM EST
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Robby,

I deny that things are getting better!

That's how.












Just kidding.

I'm optimistic. I think we're on the upswing. Doesn't mean there won't be bumps in the road. We just have to keep pushing forward.

USA!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 3:23 PM EST
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do you guys mean better as in 5 or 6 years ago when we had a surplus and jobs and enviornmental protection, and an osha with some clout?
Robby Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 6:15 PM EST
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Rick, you're not stupid are you? I think you're really smarter than that! You know that there was a bubble in the stock market. That tech companies were valued at thousands of times their earnings? Don't you? You're not stupid are you? You know that the recession started BEFORE bush took office don't you? You know that 9/11 caused a deeper recession in our economy, don't you? YOU KNOW THAT BILL **** CLINTON DIDN'T DO A GOD DAMMED THING TO MAKE THE ECONOMEY OF THE LATE 90S DON'T YOU!!?? Sorry, don't you? If not, what was it? what did he do?

An honest answer please, no bull****.
xibbumbero Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 6:18 PM EST
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LMAO. X
Da-Glyde Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 7:58 PM EST
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Robby, now that you are off your soap box please don’t classify all people belonging to a group as THINKING, FEELING, BELIEVING and or SAYING all the same things. IMHO, it’s just not right! Also, I see you think you’re above the rules to use profanity. Many of us BITE our tongue when we want to strike a cord; there are better ways for expression.

GIG’EM,

Dan
sketcha Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 8:55 PM EST
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Da-Glyde,

We all know Robby's a bit of a firecracker. He's normally able to contain himself, to a degree, for the sake of this forum anyway. He's been under a bit of strain as of late so I think he deserves a bit of a break.

Fact is, he's right and his frustration is well founded. Though not entirely, the budget surplus was based largely on the unrealistic tech bubble. It's not fair for the liberals to credit Bill and criticize George for our economic trouble in the last few years.

Remember too, it does seem pretty clear that Bill had at least one opportunity to easily nab Bin Laden even after the first WTC attack, but let him slip through his fingers while he focused on keeping his ass out of a sling.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Clinton hater either. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

sketcha Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 8:57 PM EST
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Correction...

"...a$$ out of a sling."
pabloescabar Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 9:00 PM EST
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ALLS I CAN SAY IS WOW, I THINK SINCE BILL WAS TAKING CREDIT FOR WHAT BUSH SR. DID THAT MAKES US EVEN,GO TEAM
pabloescabar Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 9:05 PM EST
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BY THE WAY ISN'T BILL A DRAFT DODGING **** LIBERAL WASTE, LOOSER...
Da-Glyde Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 10:08 PM EST
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sketcha,

My beef was not with what he or you said, but rather with how he made it sound as if he were grouping people.

GIG'EM,


Da-Glyde Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jan 4 2004, 10:12 PM EST
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pabloescabar

Nice choice of words. What are you doing up so late don’t you have to wake up early so you wont miss your bus for school tomorrow?

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 12:22 AM EST
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Robby

i must be stupid.

who did make the economy grow in the laste 90's?

reagan, bush 1, or did it start with carter?

i don't remember a recession starting.

what did 9/11 have to do with causing a deeper recession? are you sure it wasn't the tax cuts to the wealthy that depleted our surplus?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 12:24 AM EST
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pabloescabar

clinton did not go awol.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 12:37 AM EST
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sketcha

i'm sorry to hear robby has "been under a bit of strain as of late so I think he deserves a bit of a break."

if he has something to say fine, but i am not his relief valve.

Homebrew Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 5:24 AM EST
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***Threadjack on***
pabloescabar,
Please stop typing in all caps. On a BB like this one, it is considered yelling. Which is rude. Try and treat the BB, and others on it, as if you were in their company, enjoying a nice cigar, and enjoying some great conversation.
*** Threadjack off***
I'm glad I am not a liberal.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Robby Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 6:45 AM EST
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What "exactly" did Bill do to get the economy rolling? What "exactly"? Did his tax increases do it? His attack on Bosnia? Which of his policies were "directly" responsible for the economy booming? Or is it possible that sometimes the economy expands and contracts irrespective of the policies of the executive branch? i.e., economies are cyclical, you can see it throughout history and today they are VERY complex, i.e., we're interrelated with Asia and Europe now much much more than we ever have been in history. So which of Bill's policies can be traced to the good economy of the mid 90s? Hummmmm? I do know this, the economy now is rebounding as a direct result of tax cuts and fiscal policy of the current administration, things are getting better, and we have the present administration to thank for it. A fact is something which cannot be disputed, I believe these are all facts…
sketcha Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:12 AM EST
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Pablo,

What RICK said on the whole AWOL thing. You're on a slippery slope with that subject.
sketcha Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:19 AM EST
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RICK,

You're right. You certainly have the right to retort Robby's remarks. I still think he respects you even though he didn't show it in that post. I was merely commenting on Da-Glyde's reference to the use of foul language.

Since today is a new day, I'm hopeful that we CAN contain ourselves a little better and make an attempt at civility in these discussions. It's a constant battle, but we must remain diligent.
sketcha Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:21 AM EST
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Robby,

I believe that Bill's military cuts gave the economy a much needed boost. Of course the argument can be made that the cuts were a little too severe.
SteveS Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:37 AM EST
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Clinton didn't go AWOL for the simple reason that he was a draft dodger who did not serve in the military

He DID lead anti-US demonstrations in other countries, however, including one in Moscow Russia ...
sketcha Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:49 AM EST
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Yes, you're right, Steve, but don't you think that it's a little tough to discern the difference in methodology to avoid service in Vietnam. Bill didn't have a father that could keep him stateside in the reserves.

There are plenty of subjects that can be used to bash Bill, but when you're comparing he and George, I think this one lacks credibility.
eleltea Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 8:57 AM EST
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I am beginning to get the impression that liberals and conservatives don't like each other very much. And you know what? That Punch Grand Cru I am smoking is not bad. (Zen highjack)
tonester666 Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 9:07 AM EST
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LLT, I think that statement is relative. I am a moderate/conservative. I have liberal and conservative friends we all get along just fine as long as we don't discuss politics. When they are discussed the libs tend to get ignorant cause they can't back anything up with facts and deny any facts presented to them.
eleltea Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 9:38 AM EST
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Tony, you are right, in that we might all get along if our biggest disagreements were about which cigar is superior. But people sometimes go to extreme lengths to defend beliefs that are not necessarily all that well founded, such as killing someone who says something nice about the Dallas Cowboys, or plotting to destroy a planet full of people who do not submit to Allah 5 times daily. This determination to defend one's beliefs to the death often comes from people who did not take their own education all that seriously or were only permitted to read one (holy) book. It's a sorry world. ;o)
Robby Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 9:59 AM EST
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heh, Bill's cuts in our military were responsible for the economic success in the mid 90s? Really!? Amazing, then all Bush needs to do is follow suite. If he cut the military, it would be a tremendous boost to the economy? I don't understand. This isn't adding up for me. It goes back to the point I was trying to make which is basically (IMO), Clinton was "lucky". He was in the office at a time of economic prosperity. He did not cause it, but he claims credit for it. Bush has taken abuse for causing the recession even though it is documented that it began before he was in office. Added to that 9/11, and the deflation of the tech bubble in the market, and some of the scandals that rocked corporate America (Enron, Worldcom, etc...). Still in all, we're pulling back on track, and why is this? Our president cut taxes, which stimulated the economy. Our president kicked ass on countries "directly AND indirectly responsible for terrorist attacks on America and our interests around the world". Our president didn't just do lip service to the problems while get getting lip service... He made and continues to make difficult and sometimes politically unpopular decisions to do what is best for America. Our country is on the rebound, we took a punch in the nads, and we're getting back on our feet whether the terrorists like it or not, whether the blame-America-first crowd likes it or not, whether the libs like it or not, we're coming back baby!!
sketcha Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 10:26 AM EST
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Robby,

Take it easy on me, buddy. Take a look at my first 2 posts. I'm with you for the most part.

Also, I didn't say the military cuts were THE cause of the prosperity we incurred during the 90s, but that I believe they gave it a boost. How much of a boost I'm uncertain. Could be a little could be alot. I STILL think Bill cut too much and put us in a potentially dangerous position.
Robby Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 5:48 PM EST
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I understand and agree, my ire is raised by those who as the post started in the very beginning refuse to look at the positive and see that things are getting at least better overall. Maybe not everywhere, and for everybody, but then again, they never will. Sorry Skech, no offense meant. The market is UP UP UP and companies are hiring! Weeeeeeeeeee! Life is good in America again and getting better!
pabloescabar Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 6:02 PM EST
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Robby, you must be one of the smartest men around.by the way unfortunely WAR creates JOBS, we like to build stuff,BOMBS,PLANES,TECH SUPPORT,for thems stuffs.and know i dont need to catch da bus cuz its Christmas vacation,and about the caps thing well some times i gets to were i just for get were i am im sorry if yous so sensative that maybe i for get to leave the caps button on and you get the impression that im yelling when im not please forgive me . can we all just get along.probably not but thats what makes this country so great,freedom of speech.GOD BLESS AMERICA!
pabloescabar Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 6:06 PM EST
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BUT THEN YOU PROBABLY DONT BELIEVE THERE IS A GOD.
BUT THATS FOR ANOTHER POSTING RIGHT.
pabloescabar Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Jan 5 2004, 6:07 PM EST
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AND I FORGOT USC IS THE BEST...
Robby Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 4:57 AM EST
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heh, Pablo, you've obviously confused me with Mr. Maven!
pabloescabar Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 6:46 AM EST
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o no robby i still think yous the best!
pabloescabar Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 6:48 AM EST
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and your right MAVEN'S off
sketcha Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 8:17 AM EST
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If I remember correctly, I think Robby fully believes in God.
Robby Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 8:20 AM EST
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yeah, heh, he's mad at me, but I do believe in him. Hopefully we'll get along better in 04 ;-)
sketcha Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Jan 6 2004, 8:26 AM EST
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He didn't give you more than you can handle, though did He Rob?

Sounds to me like you're keeping your chin up pretty well through it all.

Take care
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