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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 2:56 PM EST
Joined: 12-06-1999
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just got my fill of some liberal arts....

my daughter, we took her out to dinner last week... while we were visiting she was talking about her college stuff and say's Dad (with Tears in her Eye's) I start at ISU the 12th... I am leaving P***l**d after 4 years and 120 College hours.. with no Degree!!!

I said WHAT??? why/how did that happen??? she said well I had two councelers while there.. the first one did not set me up in the correct courses for my CADS Construction and Arcitectual Fields and proper class's to get my Degree and then he dumped me.. so this other Councler was working with me to get a General degree so I could complete and head on to ISU.. well I still did not get that after the applied class's and said I fell 8 hrs short... I said Wait a Minute.. you have 120 college hours and you only needed 60 to complete the degree.. but still you are leaving this place with no degree?? Yep Dad.. but thats alright because I know I earned it and thats all that Matters.. I said Honey.. Bull****!!! Yes You Earned it and you will get it.. she says Dad there is nothing you can do here... I will just go on to ISU and press on with my future.. I said No Hon.. there is something I can do here.. I don't have any degree's but I know someone who does.. and I will get this straightened out... so after phone calls yesterday I got ahold of her last councler and set up to meet this coming Sat. to go over this with and find out Why??? today I still was not satisfied because it was not her last Councler who screwed her it was her first one.. so I talked to her on the phone.. got the mans name and called him.. I explained I had set up a meeting Sat with the other councler and would like for him to join us.. because something is not right when there is 120 hrs earned and only needing 60 for a degree but then it's doubled and still no degree??? he said Mr. Walls I will have to call you back... I will get with the other councler and see what will go from there.. I said alright do that please.. (my Daughter had been screwed on her initial courses by this man, so he is actually the one I wanted to talk to anyways) well he calls me back and gives me a laim ass excuse as to him not going to be able to make Sat. and that he didn't have anything to do with her not making her course credits for the degree.. I said well Sir, what about lining her out on the initial class's and then it was you that told her she was missing the physics class to complete that degree.. causing her to pull another (Extra) Semester??? well mr. Walls I don't know anything about that and really she is already assigned to another councler so let yourself deal with the issue through she... I said again.. ya know I don't have any degree's but I worked as a carpenter.. and I can run some numbers.. and Mr. your numbers are not adding up.. if you will not meet with us in the Sat. Session then I feel you have something to hide.. so I'll just take this issue to the next level.. I called the President.. ended up with the Dean of Academics.. good enough.. Long Story Short.. after finishing up on the phone with him.. my Daughter can in a day or so.. pick up her Associates Degree in Applied Science for Construction.. her remaining college Credit Hours will transfer with her to ISU.. and I do not have to miss some Duck Hunting Sat. Morning for this Meeting...

Did I ever tell ya'll I hate to hear someone say "I Can't"???

my Daughter said.. Dad how did you do that?? Mom tried 2 yrs ago and failed... I said Kiddo.. I didn't do anything that wasn't already done by yourself.. they just had to line it all up.. and with Gods help they got it all in Line... (I did not say a word bad about her Mother, But I know what type of approach she used.. thus her mother = my Ex-Wife)

Johnboy.. do you think I should get a degree in Applied Science to ****???

I will call her second councler and make sure everything is still on track for my Daughter to swing by and pick this up.. and also canxl the Sat. appointment and thank the Woman for her assistance.. and leave a little note to pass on to Mr. Idontgivea****aboutyourkids...

Hog
gorob23 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 3:49 PM EST
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Hog I love that. I teach high school and you get some good one's and soem bad one's!

P.S. I Always tell the "4 little people" Don't tell me why you can't do it! Get it done!"

P.S.S I got reammed by a parent 2 weeks ago in a Meeting because I told her kid "Don't say I can't in my class, TRY!!!"" I asked a high school 9th grader to run a mile in 8 minutes, with the crtieria being that she really just need to do her best. She said my standards were too high. At that point I thanked her and asked if there was anything else. :)
jjohnson28 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:03 PM EST
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Go get em Russell! LOL
Da-Glyde Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:10 PM EST
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dont even get me started with the college thing, I am about to get out of A&M and trust me i could say a thing or two!

GIG'EM,

Dan
Da-Glyde Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:11 PM EST
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when i said out, i mean with my degree.

GIG'EM,

Dan
usahog Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:17 PM EST
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Glide, I would like to hear the thing or two... because today I was hearing some ****... is it all over or was it just local Illinois College stuff??

Hog
CWFoster Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:21 PM EST
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Well Hog, with the exception of present company, some sillivians never been put in the position of "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!!!" LOL a military background is worth several degrees!
usahog Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:41 PM EST
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With my Profession Failure is not an option and would only come 1 time in your Life... "Weapons Load Toad"

Weapons System Specialist.. We do our jobs (Kill) so Others can Live!!!! another thing, you'll be the only one standing around if you are with a group of weapons guy's and somebody says "Ut Oh" or "Ooops" it is embeded in the training to be gone, and not ask questions...

Hog
usahog Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jan 7 2004, 4:50 PM EST
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gorob, I don't think I would cut it as a teacher in this day and age...

I used to coach Lil League when my Son was playing... that was enough... Parents not spending time with their kids anymore.. they need their Items removed so they do not need to worry about Parenting... many many times the kids were dropped off for babysitting purposes.. and the sad thing was.. the Kids knew it.. not very often would parents even come see the games.. when they did they usually were loud and obnoctious (sp) I told many to get the F*ck out of the bleachers and go home.. we would drop their child off after the game as per usual when we had games anyways...
I was always a fair and balanced coach with the kids.. it was the parents that hated me.. I'm to noisy and not affraid to voice my opinion...

It is nice to see a teacher who gives a ****.. my hats off to you rob!!!!!

Hog
billyjackson Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 4:37 AM EST
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Hog,

That's the kind of involvement the education system needs from parents. Too many of them might bitch or pull out money or influence to get their kids out of trouble, etc. Not enough stand up to the inner incompetence that happens at more places than we would like to think.

Best wishes to your daughter!
Homebrew Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 4:50 AM EST
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WTG Russell,
I had problems graduating with a degree myself, I had 240 hours towards an enviromental science degree, and my counsler neglected to tell me about a course that was only offered once every 4 years. I complained to the academic Dean, who was a regular customer where I worked, and the counseler who also taught the course in question, and he was required to teach the course 1 on 1 with me so I could graduate on time. It helps to not take no for an answer, pointing out that it was the instructer not doing his job, that caused the problem, and that the school was in the wrong. Yes the one on one class was very hard, but I probably learned the material much better than if I would have waited and taken the class with the next group.
WTG Russell.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Yes I am a tree hugger. Growing up hunting and fishing does that to a guy.
billyjackson Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 5:14 AM EST
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This happened to my (ex)wife very shortly after we moved to Waco. She finished all her stuff and was set to graduate in August. Got some call from the registrar from our undergrad university saying she needed something or other (my undergrad university is NOTORIOUS for that kind of thing). Luckily, we babysat for the president and we taught his daughter in Sunday School. She called him kind of distraught but received a call back about 1/2 hour later saying everything was fine. It was their mistake anyway...just glad we had the contact to get it taken care of.
johnfs Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 5:30 AM EST
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That group of people you are writing about work in environment of no wrong, nobody ever has a problem(or so they say), but what they do say is I'm sorry you have a problem... after they created doodoo that others have to walk through. Good job Russ!

J
Sonny_LSU Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 5:34 AM EST
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Russ, college counselors, in most cases, have no concrete knowledge of the curriculum they are presenting to students. At LSU, once you have completed the courses required to get into the College of Engineering, you are assigned to an Engineering Professor......these guys are much more in tune with how the system works. But, until then, Junior Division (which is the initial college you are put in as a freshman) basically sends young college students on wild goose chases.

My point, if your daughter is moving on to a four year ABET (this is required to eventually recieve a Professional Engineer certification) accredited university, there is a good chance she may find much better guidance (since her 2-year associates degree amounts to the credits LSU's Junior Division does, the worst should be over). When she arrives at school she should be issued a General Academic Catelog of some sorts. This is a concrete map of how to get her degree.....she needs to ALWAYS follow the catelog that is issued the academic year she enrolls. With or without a counselors input, this catelog is the Bible of the university's course requirements.


You have my e-mail if you want to discuss further.
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 8 2004, 5:59 AM EST
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Sonny, thanks and will do the email... right now I've got my hands full the rest of this week... But knowing a little more of how this works is best for both she and I... I told the dean of academics yesterday on the phone that 4 yrs she has spent in their college and I just cannot understand her still coming up short for her Associates and now just getting into her second round of another college just to complete her BA.. this time of year she should have been completing the BA and heading out to UofA for completion.. he agreed and it was he who is doing the audit for an accurate acount on her hours.. but said he would also get her degree completed and she can come in and pick these both up. all her hours he said will transfer with her.. he then said to tell her he wishes her luck...
I said well Sir, you can tell her yourself because I am going to let her follow-up on all this as you stated she would have her degree ready for her when she gets there.. he remembered her as one of his students a few years ago, and how hard a worker she was.. so with that it helped out allot..

Thanks All for the inputs..

Hog
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