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mhpd Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 6:15 PM EST
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Was the president being serious?

That's it?!
Homebrew Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 6:42 PM EST
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That's what I got.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 7:03 PM EST
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if you could give me a quick brief, i would appreciate it. i guess i must have missed the speech.

just the part about the WMD, i don't want to overload.
mhpd Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 7:14 PM EST
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Text of the speech:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0122/p25s02-uspo.html

"Some in this chamber, and in our country, did not support the liberation of Iraq. Objections to war often come from principled motives. But let us be candid about the consequences of leaving Saddam Hussein in power. We are seeking all the facts - already the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations. Had we failed to act, the dictator's weapons of mass destruction programs would continue to this day."

So now it is about activities related to programs? And not the weapons themselves? That is desperate! And a deliberate misleading of the American people.

What a clown. I hope my fellow countrymen are not so dumb as to actually accept this stuff.
usahog Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 8:30 PM EST
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Hello Again mhpd,

if you do a search on here under my username you can find the link on the Kay report and what was found.. also what was left to be searched.. better yet I'll just post it..

WallAH : http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

Interesting thing is.. the size of Saddam's Iraq Ammo Dumps...

"Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of chemical weapons. For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous."

Small huh?? well you put the protective gear on "just in Case" head your ass into a facility with no Air movement and snoop around for a couple "MINUTES" because thats about how long you'll last before you'll need a drink or some Air... it turns 120 degrees in the shade by 10:00 AM in that country and thats in the Winter Months!!!!!!
but how come we can't find nothing???

Hog

usahog Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 21 2004, 8:32 PM EST
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oh and one more thing...

the Arguments in Washington are " From the Liberal Democrats and ****" well the WMD findings so far cannot count because they were not actually inside Warheads or weapons when they were discovered... give me a frickin Break!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you talk clowns LMAO!!!!! I seen some posts of some clowns...

Hog
mhpd Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 4:47 AM EST
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Face it, usahog, you've been bent over in front of the president for a long time on the Iraq war (I'm guessing you've supported from the begining?), and now, deep down, you know it was a lie. Your quote don't say anything. Your quote says that the weapons cashes (sp?) are big. Yeah, we know that.

If there were wmds, Bush would be gloating about it daily. There aren't, so he has changed his phrasing, now talking about related program activites.

Anyone want to tell me what a 'related program activity' is? That's pretty darn broad. Technically, urinating would be a sex related program activity, after all I'm touching the dragon.

By the way, usahog, no profanity on these boards. Are you above the rules?
65gtoman Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 5:16 AM EST
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Little jdra-bin-laden-ski
mhpd Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 6:02 AM EST
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I don't get it. I'm pretty new here. Explain?
Thom Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 6:13 AM EST
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Did anyone else see "The Daily Show" with John Stewart last night? He really tore apart the President's speech.

To prefice a funny point that Stewart said "dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment...?" If he (the President) had said that in the beggining we would never have gone to war...(pause) oh he's good.

First it was WMD, then it was liberation, now it's weapons of mass destruction-related blah blah blah. Fool me once...
mhpd Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 6:23 AM EST
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Thom, I saw that. It was so funny. I died laughing. Funny, but true and pretty sad. I laughed, then I felt like it wasn't so funny. Know what I mean?
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 6:27 AM EST
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Did anyone ever figure out why President Clinton fully supported President George W Bush in regards to the war with Iraq even when the Democratic Party as a whole was trying to politicize the issue? He dealt with Iraq for eight years. Was there something he knew?
CWFoster Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 7:10 AM EST
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Hey Hog! have you ever noticed that the libs say they support the troops but not Bush, and when the guys who've BEEN there say it was long overdue, and that it needed to be done along time ago, they show their true colors. They don't supprot anything but their own agendas. At least we can say that we've put our butts where our beliefs are, and not sat at home and armchair quarterbacked the people who finally got enough sand to do what needed doing for ten years!
Thom Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 8:39 AM EST
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Wait just a minute. This is not about support for war or troops (if it be known I support both), this is about reasons for war and why we are there currently. The question is how many times can you have a willing disbelief of reality and accept new excuses for unfound reasons?
mhpd Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 9:35 AM EST
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HockeyDad, maybe Clinton had bad information too.

Armchair qb? Huh? Just calling out Bush for his lies and deceptions. Callin' him out for how he is changing explanations. Doesn't fly.

re: what you said about 'those who have been there,' remember that soldiers do not make policy. They are there to fight, not make policy. They can think whatever they want, but they don't make policy. They enforce it. So get over it. I know many people there who feel the opposite. They think it is a waste of money and lives.

You got your friends, I got mine. It don't make a damn difference. They are soldiers, not policymakers.
Sylance Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 9:46 AM EST
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Let's use the same logic that you all use with WMD.

We've had no terrorist attacks since 9/11, thus there are no terrorists. Wow, I feel so much better using that logic. I can sleep better at night knowing for a fact there will never be another terrorist attack ever again.

I believe the issue Hog was trying to say (and quickly ignored by others,) is that you cannot say there isn't WMD until all the stockpiles have been searched. Anyone see the post about the buried MIG in Iraq? They bury an entire jet airplane... and we're looking for a coffee can of chemicals? The FACT remains that Saddam never accounted for a huge stock of his chemical weapons. Let me put it this way so you can understand…

If I lend you $20, and you give me back $10 (that means there is still $10 unaccounted for…) I’m going to ASSUME you have the remaining $10. Saddam said he destroyed most of his weapon caches (correct spelling) but did NOT account for all of it. Where’s the remaining $10??? That VIOLATES the UN treaty and the same treaty says that the UN can use what ever force necessary to verify no weapons exist. We used to have a president that SAID the best thing to do was remove Saddam, now we have a president that DOES remove Saddam.

Thank you president Bush.
mhpd Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 10:04 AM EST
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Didn't you see that Bush is no longer saying that wmds exist? Now it is 'related program activities.'

Besides, the wmd hunters have been withdrawn:

http://www.fairandbalanced.us/docs/StoryID1789.htm

And you can find this story in many sources.

They aren't there. Sorry. You were lied to. It is time to accept that and call for accountability. I thought conservatives were for accountability?
bassdude Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 10:24 AM EST
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WMD or not this was a necessary thing. Why can't you see that? Why is this(WMD) such an issue for you? Are you saying you want Saddam re-instated? Do you want continued terrorist activities on US soil? Do you think Bush just makes this **** up?

Pull your heads out of your collective ass and wake TF up!
mhpd Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 10:46 AM EST
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WMD is a big deal because it was the reason given for going to war. If it was a fabrication, then we went to war under false rationale.

Is your head so far up your butt that you can't understand that? Or did you forget why we went to war in the first place? REmoving Sadaam from power is a reason made up after the fact.

Please explain the connection between Sadaam and terrorists. (THere is none).
Thom Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 11:32 AM EST
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I'm noticing something interesting. It seems that both sides of this issue, on this thread, are trying to tell each other "Look! Look! Can't you see?! It's right here in front of your face. It's so obvious." Yet both are seeing different things. But mine, of course, is right ;)

Sylance Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 11:54 AM EST
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Thom,

I guess your right, and I'm guilty of that. I just feel that the end result was justified... we have removed a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of human deaths. We have removed a man who has tortured, starved and raped. Even if WMD isn't found, (I'm sure we eventually will,) I'm glad we're there.

Funny... if someone in America gets in a fight at a bar, we jail them. But if someone kills 1000,000+ people in a different country we can't justify his removal from power.
CWFoster Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 12:27 PM EST
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Wait just a minute. This is not about support for war or troops (if it be known I support both), this is about reasons for war and why we are there currently. The question is how many times can you have a willing disbelief of reality and accept new excuses for unfound reasons?
OK, lets see what I said, and what I was responding to.

Face it, usahog, you've been bent over in front of the president for a long time on the Iraq war (I'm guessing you've supported from the begining?), and now, deep down, you know it was a lie. Your quote don't say anything. Your quote says that the weapons cashes (sp?) are big. Yeah, we know that.
I think we've been round and round with the personal insults enough times to establish that that is the fastest way to lose any respect on here. I was taking exception to anybody telling one of my (not BOTL) BROTHERS IN ARMS that he's anybody's dupe or pouge!

Get over it? If I WERE a policymaker, we'ld have gone to war eight years ago, before Congress recended the original declaration of war, that was cut short by the terms of a cease fire that the other side NEVER LIVED UP TO THEIR END OF! WMD? Terrorist links? You wouldn't accept any evidence that you were wrong if it was a ten gallon enema of GBX, you pompous ass! If I go back there and get shot at, at least I can shoot back, unlike the 200 Marines in Beruit, the personnel in Khobar Towers, the seventeen killed on the USS Cole, The injured on the USS Samuel B. Roberts, I could name another half dozen attacks on our people that drew no attention other than throwing a dozen Tomahawks at the suspected location of UBL, or at AAA radar sites in Iraq. I'm just sorry that the bast***ds had to kill 3000 of our people on our own soil before people woke up, and now they are almost comatose again! WMD? Terrorists? You are more interested in ridiculing the President than any facts, so YOU get over it!
kccody Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 12:50 PM EST
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I swear, some of you just are not happy unless you are whining about something. At least us conservatives made valid complaints about Clinton when he was in office.

You liberals are given all the evidence you need but you just refuse to see it.

You need to familiarize yourselves with the term “perceived threat.” Yes, that’s right, perceived threat is a term commonly used by Military as well as police officers. It is a perfectly legal and legitimate defense to use deadly force.

Fact: Saddam openly researched, developed and manufactured WMD’s.
Fact: Saddam used WMD’s on several occasions within the past 10 years.
Fact: Saddam denied U.N. inspectors access to his WMD facilities on several occasions.
Fact: Saddam was fully warned to comply with inspectors prior to the war.
Fact: Saddam was fully warned of the consequences if he failed to comply with U.N.
Fact: Saddam counted on his “perceived threat” to defend him against our invasion.

Bottom line, we were perfectly justified to invade Iraq as we did. In the face of a threat, either real, or a perceived threat perpetuated by Saddam, we have the right to remove you from power and take over your country.

The police deal with perceived threats with deadly force all the time. If a person goes into a convenience store claiming to have a gun and instructs the teller to hand over the money while motioning to something protruding inside of his jacket pocket, that’s a perceived threat. The teller has no idea if it is a gun or a comb. If the police show up on the scene they are going to meet him with guns drawn. If the perpetrator fails to draw his hand from his pocket and reveal it is only a comb then he will be met with deadly force.
The police will be justified in doing so. You also wouldn’t hear public outcry after the fact of people saying “where was the gun?” Would you.

For anyone to see it any other way shows an obvious lacking in their ability to achieve intelligent thought.
CanyonDVM Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 1:39 PM EST
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I have a friend, Major Louis Hernandez, is a support company currently in Tikrit. He says that there are 145 weapons storage sights in Iraq, some the size of Manhattan. We have inspected, if I remember his numbers 11 (could be 3 but I think 11). This is very dangerous and time consuming work. In order to believe Saddam didn't have them you have to believe that every intelligence agency in the world, including th Russians, French and German's were wrong. Additionaly, because we know we used them he had them at some point, that he secretly got rid of them and hid that fact, despite the fact that the sanctions were costing him hundards of billions of dollars, and ultimately probably his life.
Thom Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 2:05 PM EST
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I want to make my position clear. I'm for the troops, I was for the war. My issue here is that I feel like I'm being jerked around and that I'm being treated like I have no memory. I remember very clearly what the President and his aides were saying and the message they were conveying as reasons for war as well as you. However the message keeps changing and I keep thinking what happened to WMD? That was pounded into my head. WMD, WMD, WMD. Then it went to Iraqi liberation, then to fighting terrorists. Etc. And now its "dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities..." All of which may be legitimate, but mostly I feel like I'm being used.

Let me also say that I have a vested interest in what goes on in Iraq. I have a nephew and a brother in-law who are both in the National Guard who currently in Iraq and are serving their county way more than they ever expected. Just ask my sisters.
usahog Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 2:06 PM EST
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I really think GTO is right mhpd is Jdrabinski... Always wanted to be a cop growing up John?? now the roll playing Identity crisis here??

I've pointed out Numerious times and so has others why we went into Iraq.. and to correct the Years... it was 12 long years to little to late... how many Billions did we spend Babysitting Saddam??? 365 days a years for 12 years??? I know myself at E-6 pay and all the other intitelments while deployed I had some healthy paychecks... so figure an average salary in the military across the board of lets say an E-3 and one base housed 500 personell.. another base 2000 and so on with a total counting ships /Aircraft Carriers with 5000 personell.. and what it takes for them to function 365 days a year for 12 years... How many Billions??? Ok I rest my Case.. it was CHEAPER TO TAKE THE SOB OUT... and Again I say it was 12 years to late!!!!!!!

I have no problem leaving my family behind and putting my life on the line for my Country and my Commander and Chief.. what I do have a problem with is trying to get over the arrogent **** who look down on the military men and women like the one posting/posing as mhpd.. a police officer you say?? I really find this hard to believe...most police officers I have met... and that has been 1000's, really have a different outlooks than the posts I see coming from this mhpd... if in fact you are a police officer you must Drive a Desk??? never had the beatcop or been in a real confrontation???

just my observations...

Hog
usahog Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 2:07 PM EST
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Thom, with your memory.. do you ever remember hearing about Khamanshi??? (sp) in 1991 just after gulf war 1 ended??

Hog
mhpd Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 2:50 PM EST
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mhpd is mhpd. Not somebody else. Sorry if I disappoint! lmao!

The president has changed his justification. And you don't care? He's being slippery with the facts. We didn't go in to topple a dictator because he's a bad guy. There are a lot of bad dicators out there. Are we going to topple all of them? You need to answer that.

usahog, how dare you insult me. I put my ass on the line day in, day out to protect folks like you. I don't drive a desk. I deserve respect. You don't know many cops, obviously. We're union, we're blue collar, and we know this president is against us. All rhetoric aside. He's for the rich. SImple.
CWFoster Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 2:58 PM EST
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How dare HE insult YOU?????
I believe YOU were the one who said "...usahog, you've been bent over in front of the president for a long time..."
Now you have the unmitigated GALL to complain that HE is INSULTING YOU!!!

WHO the F**K do you think you ARE?
usahog Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 3:07 PM EST
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mhpd.. this board has a policy about foul language.. did you forget your statement just to me above in this same thread??? and I believe the word I used was Frickin.. LMAO!!!!

glad to see I can strike a nerve!!! woke ya up a bit eh???

Now that your Awake.. yes I do in fact know probably close to 1000 cops... and many firemen and 10s of thousands Military members across the globe!!!

the fact is you strike out at others with insults but yet again are ready to jump to correct anyone Insulting or cursing?? typing is different but your actions are the same.. if your not jd you must be related.. seperated at birth possibly???

Now back to the real thread.... the WMD's were there.. they will be found and many of them were moved and also many were dumped into the Rivers prior to the US/British Invasion at the start of the war...

take it for what you will... I see an **** hiding behind the fact they cannot stand out/up for themselves so have to bash anything good going on for others... You Protect my Ass??? HaHaHa!!!!

got anymore one liners???

little mr meetermaid give me a.. who sings it??? LMAO!!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 3:10 PM EST
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LMAO @ CW... don't let him drag ya down to his level of life Bro...

I blew him off like a belching smokering!!!!

Real Cops are being trained as to how to deal with todays Crisis's here on the homefront.. and this guy obviosly is related to Philosophy... living in a fantasy world where we all can get along!!!
John Lennon World

Hog
Thom Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 3:35 PM EST
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usahog,

With my memory...? Is that some sort of backhanded insult? If it wasn't, well I took it as one. I have not insulted you sir, and I've been nothing but genuine and have stated my case as a gentleman and I expect the same in return.
mhpd Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 3:36 PM EST
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None of my relatives on this board! They all hate my cigars...lol!

usahog, you should call the president. His administration is in crisis because they havent' found any wmds. But YOU know they are there? LMFAO! If they are there, why did the president withdraw the wmd hunting team? See my link above.

Also, I didn't curse. 'ass' is not a curse word. It's on network television, brother. You used the word a-hole above. Follow the rules.
usahog Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 3:50 PM EST
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"I'm being treated like I have no memory. I remember very clearly" with you saying this.. in no way was I directing that as an insult.. and I am sorry you took it that way Thom, I was asking you a clear cut question about remembering the Khamanshi happenings??

that was all I was referring to here...

Hog
Thom Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 4:26 PM EST
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Thanks for clearing that up Hog. It's difficult to tell people's inflection behind their writings on the internet, and when a good heated debate starts up, well -

Khamanshi happenings... are you refering to the gassing done by Saddam on his own people? I'm sure you don't mean Kashmiri...
usahog Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 4:54 PM EST
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No Khamanshi was an Accadental Detonation of an Iraqi Ammo Dump in 1991 after the end of the Gulf War.. we still had some 500,000 troops in the AOR "Area Of Responceability" not nowing to our own EOD Personell and Demolitions/Engeneers... they blew up an area that was storing Sarin and Mustard Gases... the Plume from the whole event and the way the winds were for that day... after 3 studies done and the last in April of 2001... some 160,000 members of our Military were known to be infected to some degree from fallout...

Saddam Hussain and his Military were notorious for marking and labeling their WMD weapons like Conventional Markings in accordance with Geneva Convention Regulations ... thus our people... the British/french/and all other EOD qualified people to handle such matters were not knowing of this and caused a massive Mistake that today our military members are suffering and dieing from... I can give you the link to the whole Congressional resolve of this insident if you would like??

Hog
65gtoman Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 5:49 PM EST
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You are not a cop, you are not new, and you are a fake drbinski living in a world that does not exist. You think you’re clever?

Oh im going to say im a policeman for over 15 years. And look at me. I don’t think like that you must all hear me speak.


You, in your plastic dreams of nothingness, who will save you. Who will you save?

Who lives in a world of color and flowers running to the other side, who will come for your soul after he spits it out.

I can save you if you look into the future, come follow me to the other side. For that is your only hope.


Dreams of candy and wily wonka who?


Lets all go for the ride.

I do agree with you mphd bush is a terrorist in way. This is an unjust war, and I can’t see any reason for us to be their.

Even if he made wmd he couldn’t get to us. And there is NO PROOF OF WMD. NO PROOF NO PROOF.

We can agree on that my brother mrphd


If a democrat or a liberal for that matter would become our new master then everything would be like it should, no war no hate. The stock market would sky rocket and the US OF A . WiLL be saved.

When I was back there in seminary school, there was a person there Who put forth the proposition That you can petition the Lord with prayer



Petition the lord with prayer




Petition the lord with prayer






YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!
65gtoman Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 5:58 PM EST
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I retract my statement.

Thom Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 7:42 PM EST
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Hog,
There was a PBS Frontline show, I think it was about where Iraq stands now, and it had a segment about that incident. It was terrible. The military tried to keep in under wraps for quite a while fearing that they had made the mistake at first but later found just what you said.

If you've got that link, please post it. That could be some interesting reading.
kccody Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 9:13 PM EST
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Mhpd

“The president has changed his justification.”

How do you figure? Based on a few comments he made in one speech?

“He's being slippery with the facts. We didn't go in to topple a dictator because he's a bad guy. There are a lot of bad dicators out there. Are we going to topple all of them? You need to answer that.”

Quit trying to pick a fight with usahog and open your eyes. Hog, as well as many others, including myself, HAVE answered this question. You just choose to blindly ignore the truth when it is put in front of you. Case in point:

You have claimed to be a police officer yet you have no comment on my post about the “perceived threat” of Saddam’s WMD’s? I must have missed the post where you claimed to be a cop, but now I think my post should be even more relevant to you, yet you still turn a blind eye to the facts.

“I put my ass on the line day in, day out to protect folks like you. I don't drive a desk. I deserve respect.”

You’re a cop? I seriously doubt it after a statement like that. If you are, you’re a rookie. Just graduate the academy last week?

First of all, let me tell you something. Usahog puts his ass on the line more by 6 a.m. every day than you do in a year! So do I for that matter. Yet has he ever said that he deservers your respect? No, of course he hasn’t. Do you want to know why? Because we do what we do for reasons you could NEVER understand. Any “veteran” cop would know exactly what I mean here. Nobody DESERVES respect. Respect is something that is EARNED! Only a liar or an immature rookie cop would think as you do.

Now see what you’ve done, now I’m pissed!! I hate it when I get pissed!!!! Rant on…………………………

It’s always some candy ass coward like you that goes on and on about how our commander and chief sent us to war for no reason. Candy ass cowards like you would never put YOUR life on the line for the betterment of the WORLD as a whole. Hog and I do it every day. You think your some sort of hero because you claim you’re a cop, yet of all the cops I know NONE of them would want to do what Hog, myself, as well as hundreds of thousands of others military men and women do. You don’t know the meaning of putting your ass on the line. When your shift is over (assuming you are a real cop) you go home to your family. Have you ever laid awake at night, thousands of miles away from your loved ones, worrying that the next vehicle you hear is a nut case with a trunk full of explosives coming to kill you and everyone else in your tent? Have you ever walked down the street of some foreign country trying to sort out who may be a good guy and who wants nothing more than to see you dead? Let me ask you something. How many cops get killed OFF duty? Now take that number and compare it to the military stats. How many cops got killed in the line of duty in your state last year? Now compare that to the military!

They shot me down in the Gulf War, and I’m still here. They shot at me in Bosnia and I’m still here. They tried to blow me up at Khobar Towers and I’m still here. They put six bullets in me in Oman, and I’m still here. I’ve been doing this for twenty long years you little prick, and I’m still here. You, on the other hand, are yesterdays garbage. You’ll stay around and smell up the place for a while, but in the end you’ll be gone. Just like the little coward that you are.


Rant off………………………………....................


Sorry, this little prick just struck the wrong nerve in me. As for any real police officers out there, I totally respect and admire all that you do for us here in the good old USA. Keep it up!

BTW mhpd.

Why don’t you do a little research on a little military operation called “Operation DESERT FOX.” Your Then liberal, adulterous, lying, murdering President Clinton ordered the air drop of more ordinance on Iraq then both President Bush’s did in the first gulf war and the entire air campaign of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM combined. Did you know that? Of course you didn’t. Why? Because your STUPID! But I can see you now, going to Google, spending the rest of the day and night searching out the facts. Good, maybe you and the rest of your sorry ass liberal friends will learn something for a change.
I doubt it though………………………………...................
jjohnson28 Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Jan 22 2004, 9:38 PM EST
Joined: 09-12-2000
Posts: 7,914
WhooooHooooo! Now thats gonna leave a mark,go get 'im kcody...LOL
bassdude Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 7:43 AM EST
Joined: 01-13-2004
Posts: 8,871
Wow, I don't have much to add just this. I worked for a few years at ITAC. I personally saw what our capabilities are when it comes to satellite recog. I know sats can't see everything but I am impressed as all hell and that was 10 years ago. If we picked this stuff up it WAS there.

The problem with a lot of you guys is selective interpretation of facts.

Do you honestly believe Saddam did not have these? You never answered other questions so I guess this will go the same way.
Sylance Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 7:49 AM EST
Joined: 06-19-2003
Posts: 592
mhpd,

Let’s see if you can answer some of these questions…

1. When two police officers enter a potentially hostile room, they use angles to maximize their view and coverage of the room. What’s the term for this tactic?

2. Police officers and military have a color threat code so they can identify what type of awareness they should be in. What are these colors and what do they represent?

3. If a known hostile has gun in his hand but held down to his side, and you have your weapon out and aimed at him, and you’ve asked him to drop his weapon, can you shot him?

4. What are the two most common stances used for firing handguns.

5. What do the acronyms CQB and CQC stand for and what’s the difference?

6. Lastly, what is the most dangerous call police officers go to?
Liz62803 Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 8:29 AM EST
Joined: 01-21-2004
Posts: 2,921
i can answer question six - I think :-) Court Tv is my friend =x specially forensic files and stuff like that. I am a true crime buff so to speak.
CWFoster Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 8:30 AM EST
Joined: 12-12-2003
Posts: 5,414
Kcody- You GO boyieeeee! HOOAH!

But no, he wont stay up late researching facts that refute his narrow little viewpoint.
Robby Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 8:47 AM EST
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
Hey mhpd, take a close look at the picture and let me know what kind of weapons you think killed the men women and children of this Kurdish town;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2854019.stm

I fully expect you to ignore these “inconvenient facts" which would seem to dismiss your wrong-headed views. That's what a blow hard does, they bluster and blather about their half truths and specious points all the while ignoring valid rational counterpoint.
Robby Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 8:50 AM EST
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
ahem, mhpd? "You got your friends, I got mine. It don't make a damn difference. They are soldiers, not policymakers. " I'm offended by your profanity. Or are you above the rules?
Robby Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 9:05 AM EST
Joined: 10-30-2002
Posts: 5,067
kcody, my hat is off to you sir.

Sylance, very clever.

I doubt the aforementioned will muster the nads to repost on this thread...
coma-one Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 9:20 AM EST
Joined: 07-09-2003
Posts: 1,264
Let me just say this, there is no "right decision" when it comes to war, war is war, and it isn't right. Is it right that hundreds od=f people must die because of a political agenda? War is not nice, it is ugly, and no one likes war. With that said, War is eminent and is bound to happen. Where have you all been? US history can show everyone that we have always decided to go to war for tangent reasons. We can argue till we turn blue on the desicions that our previous Presidents have made about war. But does it matter? Point is we are the US, and like it or not we MUST remain a powerfull nation, WHY? Because that is who we are, no other nation in the world has ever achieved what we have, This nation is young, but strong. I don't mean to be dissrespectfull, but US soldiers (to whom I owe the uttmost respect to) know from the time they enlist that there is a possibility that they will die in war, and so they sin up anyway, why, because they have been called. Do I like war, no, do soldiers like war?, I don't imagine so. But that is something that we must do to preserve America. Would I go to war, I guess if it came down to it I would, would I be happy? NO. Let's remember this, that weather we like our President, any president, or not, we must support his desicions. A house divided against itself will not stand, survive, last!!!
kccody Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Jan 23 2004, 12:27 PM EST
Joined: 03-19-2007
Posts: 610
Just reread what I wrote last night. Man, guess I had a little more to drink than I thought! LMAO!!

I'm not usually that harsh toward people, but it just really hit me wrong when he told usahog that he “deserves” respect. As I said in my post, anyone who actually has the respect of others knows it is something that is earned over time, not given away automatically. Nobody deserves respect from anyone until they earn it.
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