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1st Cloned Endangered Animal
65gtoman Offline
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Zoo to Take 1st Cloned Endangered Animal

SAN DIEGO - The world's first clone of an endangered species is getting ready for his public debut at the San Diego Zoo.


Jahava, an 8-month-old male banteng, was expected to be moved Thursday from the San Diego Wild Animal Park in north San Diego to the zoo, where he will share an area with three banteng females.


Jahava was cloned from skin cells collected from a male banteng born at the zoo in 1974 that never reproduced. A banteng is a form of wild cattle from Southeast Asia.


The cells were cultured by the Zoological Society of San Diego's Center for Reproduction of Endangered Species and were stored in liquid nitrogen at minus 328 degrees. Last year, the cells were inserted into the egg of an Iowa cow.


Although Jahava looks like a banteng, he has genetic material from the cow, zoo geneticist Oliver Ryder said. If Jahava mates with another banteng, the offspring is expected to be full banteng, he said.


In his new home from the zoo, Jahava will be the smallest of the banteng group for some time. He will be distinguishable by his thicker and slightly parted horns.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&e=7&u=/ap/zoo_cloned_banteng




RICKAMAVEN Offline
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interesting.

are you for or against this?
djheater Offline
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For.

But then I'm also for stem cell research, my wife a biologist and scientist, though she may be for cloning, is adamantly against stem cell research.

I like Sci-fi to much not to be for it.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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djheater

why is she against it. in israel, research has come close to curing parkinsons's and at least one form of cancer.
tailgater Offline
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Serious question.

How can you be "close" to curing something?

Until you're cured, you still have the disease.
ajeroth Offline
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Well Not Dead is better than Dead.... I'd call that close. A cure would be a cure. But being close means you might get your life back but still have the disease. JMHO

ajeroth
65gtoman Offline
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I don’t think this is a good idea, and im speaking from a nature point of view.

Not that we are playing god, but we are playing nature, and nature will always turn on us.
Cigarick Offline
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All science is good.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

i'm glad i read it twice. i was going to give you a flip answer like you can tell when water is getting ready to boil.

research close to curing, means some people have had parkinsons slowed down so it doesn't get any worse. i have read nothing about reversal, but it appears that if caught early enough, it could be prevented from getting as debilitating as it evevtually becomes.

israel scientests have also tested cases similar to christopher reeves and have gotten some regeneration in the spinal cord. the patients tested were able to feel some of the lower extremities and some have gotten movement, however slight in a toe.

it's a start.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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65gtoman

do you take a flu shot? did you get immunized against polio and measels as a child?

should penicillan be used to treat infections?

should we use sand bags to prevent flooding?

should we install lightning rods in areas of high lightning?

contendertotes Offline
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For !
recycle......we do it with donors on drivers licenses. my mother has bad parkinsons and if stem cell might possibly help......try!

my opinion
JonR Offline
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I came close to hitting the PowerBall lottery I had the powerball and two numbers so I guess I should hit the jackpot any day now. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature I saw that on televison when she thought imitation butter was real butter, boy was she pissed. LMAO JonR
65gtoman Offline
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Im talking about the cloning of people and animals.
contendertotes Offline
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just don't want to "thin-out" the jeans too much . there's some i'm wondering about now ! : )
tailgater Offline
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Rick,
I know the difference between a treatment and a cure.
The two are often not related.

Science is great, but as a civilized society we must not try to achieve things simply because we can.

I'm an engineer by degree, so I would never suggest that we squelch progress in the sciences. But to arbitrarily trudge forward in some sort of ego-maniacle footrace to be the "first" to clone a higher species can not be taken lightly.

I've yet to hear a convincing arguement for the cloning of humans. And if we're not going to clone humans, then why clone lower species?

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgater

i didn't mention cloning myself, i was taalking about stem cell research.

i had cataract surgery and i see better. treatment or cure? i don't care what it is called, it works.

there was a science fiction book about cloning in the future. clones were kept in sort of concentration camps, and harvested for parts as needed. very frightning.

if i could have cloned geordie in 1972, i would have.
he was my first dog.

cloning humans is of no interest to me one way or the other. there is no need for another of me posting.
65gtoman Offline
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Many books have been written about us building these super robots in the future, they start to kill us off because they see us as a lower life form and a threat.

If we start cloning (super humans) Im sure the aclu would fight for their rights and they would take over the government and enslave us real people.

I would have to do some research on this, but Hitler had some type of super race/human idea in the works, Im sure he would be very interested in this cloning stuff if he was around today.

It just gives me the creeps trying to think into the future about this topic.

Also Rick, if you clone you dog, it will only look like your old dog, it would have a new brain that would not know who you are. Unless they could transplant the brain.

What would happen if we could live forever in our physical copied bodies? Maybe that’s the future, we stop reproducing all together and just reclone our bodies after they get old and weak then reinsert our old brains back in.




RICKAMAVEN Offline
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65gtoman

Also Rick, if you clone you dog, it will only look like your old dog, it would have a new brain that would not know who you are.

i never thought about that.
Cigarick Offline
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> Science is great, but as a civilized society we must
> not try to achieve things simply because we can.

Why not? That's what pure research is, and a lot times we don't know where an experiment will lead until it's been done. There are undoubtedly numerous offshoot technologies which will become evident as cloning is developed and perfected, but there are plenty of more immediate and obvious benefits (such as stem-cells), as well.
ducati996 Offline
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I am still trying to understand why "nature will always turn against us".
ducati996 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Rickamaven,

These people usually come around once one of their loved-ones require the benefits of this research.
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