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Plano ISD to Ban Valentines Day
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
I am pissed! My local school district, Plano Texas, is banning Valentines Day. They will no longer allow cards or candy to be passed out because they dont want someone to be hurt if they dont get a card.

I have the list of emails and phone numbers and I will be making some noise!


One of the parents is trying to get a letter campain off the ground to the school board. Below is her letter.

Parents and Families of the PISD,

I’d like to take this opportunity to share a little about myself before starting the issue at hand. I have three sons two of which attend Stinson Elementary in Plano where I have been given the privilege to serve as a room mom. I have so enjoyed this experience of being involved with Stinson and all the wonderful staff who work there.

However, I am terribly concerned. Recently, I found out about the PISD decision to enforce a rule that would eliminate the tradition of “passing out” valentine cards or even personalizing them “to give” to their fellow classmates. My understanding is that a student will be permitted to place valentines brought from home on his/her desk and if another student so wishes to, he/she can go by and “take” one.

Further more, the students will not be allowed to pass out any candy or any sort (nutritious or not) to his/her classmates. This is NOW being enforced due to a possible lawsuit from a family in the PISD. This lawsuit (which I am sure you are aware of) is concerning a child who was passing out candy cane pens with the history of the Candy Cane attached for his/her classmates to enjoy reading.

I understand that students should not be allowed to daily pass out stories, spiritual references, etc. for the mere fact it is distracting to study time. However, I would like to see this regulation be changed to where any child of any denomination would be permitted to pass out a card, note or story (spiritual or not) on the three specified party dates during the year.

Our culture is thus that everyone has to learn discernment about many issues that we face daily. By not allowing our children to share their own traditions, I believe we are putting padded walls around our children and not preparing them for the real world. These stories are harmless and are only meant with the greatest love for one another. But, that is another part of my agenda.

Currently, I would like to let each of the families in our school district have this information about what is going on and the continued privileges that are being taken away from our children. I have had many parents voice their concerns that I have spoken with.

These parents share in my concern-as they would like to see this issue with the Valentine’s Day cards be resolved for the enjoyment and the mere fact of teaching what our world so desperately needs; love for one another. My boys enjoy choosing Valentine’s that personal fit the friend or classmate that the card is intended for. The children learn neatness, presentation, writing skills and GIVING. It is a great time for parents to set at the table with their kids and enjoy the traditions that American elementary students have had for decades.

Though I know the PISD officials have a difficult time keeping a healthy balance with many issues other than education. But, in this case I feel that the PISD officials have over reacted to protect themselves. Their enforcing has no benefit on the children and only takes away the customs and traditions of families and much of the enjoyment that this time brings.

I would like to see each and every parent that has any concern for this issue and the privilege that is being taken away from our children, nay our families to write and call the superintendent and the PISD school board. Ultimately, I would like to see this policy changed to where students could pass out goodies, cards, notes, etc. during the three designated parties each year. However, until that time I would like to see this years Valentine’s be a time of GIVING not taking off the desk.

I have called Mrs. Salamone and she has been very cooperative providing me with names, e-mails and the phone numbers for parents to contact those of importance-so our concerns can be heard. Any help with getting this information to other PISD parents would greatly help. I urge you to take action on this and not to lay it aside. The future of how our kids will grow to understand the traditions of Valentine’s and to celebrate it depends on each of our voices being heard.

Attached, is the contact information that you will need to send your concerns to. I so appreciate your time in listening to my heartfelt concerns in regards to the issue of teaching our children to be “givers” especially on special occasions-and not “takers.”


Thank you for your time,

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
RDC

"local school district, Plano Texas"

does texas allow recall elections. if not these people should be voted out as soon as possible.

this is PC beyond any reason.
Gb Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2003
Posts: 260
I get so pissed reading about the total over-reaction some schools and districts make on issues. Instead of trying to make everything inclusive, they are taking away the ability to express cultural differences.

No nativity scenes because it may offend someone who doesn't believe in it... No St. Valentines because it might hurt someone's feelings IF they don't get one (or because it's a Catholic holiday)... No St. Patty's Day binge drinking in school because it would upset MADD... it's out of control.

Schools shouldn't be protected from lawsuit happy/over zealous parents... barring extreme circumstances... and should focus on educating... that's it! Take the political crap out of their hands and if they can't make the cut... fire every administrator and replace them.

There are so many things wrong with schools these days, that worrying about giving out Valentines seems so trivial.
puskarich Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-04-2003
Posts: 2,143
We live in a very strange world. Priorities are all mixed up.

If people want ban something, why dont they ban the raping of my pocketbook every year when I have to pay $60+ for a dozen goddamn roses that wont live longer than a week. Ah, the things you do for love.
djheater Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2003
Posts: 169
The school district is taking steps to insulate itself from lawsuits, they are trying to allow the kids expression without making themselves liable. The school has a right to protect itself and alwasy had. It never needed to exercise that right until a lawsuit was brought against it. Now it MUST exercise that right for sake of self-preservation.

The lady who wrote the letter is taking action against the wrong party, probably because they are more visible and easier to take aim at.

E-Chick Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-15-2002
Posts: 4,877
Freedom of speach...

The kids that wish to exercise their right as Americans to express their feelings towards their classmates in writing on a Valentine card should do so...

The school district and it's administrators can kiss those students asses!

They don't ban homosexuals from teaching and openly displaying their sexual preferences and behaviors...

They don't ban the teachings of Darwin...

They don't ban Christians from teaching, nor do the ban Agnostics...or other religions for that matter. I wonder just how many Wickin (sp?) members are teaching in the classrooms of our Nation? Undoubtedly, a bit of each teacher's beliefs are passed on to our children...intentionally or not.

They don't ban a person with H.I.V. from coming into classes and letting the kids know that they are fine and well and living with the virus...

What about the nutcase that let a woman bring in her aborted fetus in a jar to display during sex-ed?

I think that a nice little heart shaped card is not a major issue/problem. It's roots may be in Catholicism, however how many of us even know that or use that day to spread the word?

Hypothetically speaking, if it was a common, widespread custom, would they ban handing out names of MIA/POW during the weeks of Memorial or Veteran's Day?

Sheesh, this is ridiculous!
djheater Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2003
Posts: 169
e-chick

If they had been sued for any of the actions listed and hypothetically lost the case, how stupid would they be to allow those things to continue.

This IS NOT the big bad mean school beauracracy coming down on the kids and trying to take away thier joy. It's an institution trying to protect itself from frivilous lawsuits in the only way it can.
The schill is still TRYING to allow the kids to celebrate Valentines and for that they should be commended.

Please, this is cause and effect people, there's a reason they're doing this and it's that reason that needs to be criticised, talked about and railed at. NOT the school district.
djheater Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2003
Posts: 169
*misspelled 'school'

I pray for the day we get a forum software upgrade and are allowed to edit our posts.
E-Chick Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-15-2002
Posts: 4,877
djheater

Uh, yeah...right.

Frivilous lawsuits? What Judge wants to be known for letting a frivilous case win? Sure it's happened. But, ah, I believe that an 'honorable' Judge would laugh it out of court...

It sounds to me like you have yet to experience having a child of yours go through the public school system.

Who works in the ed system in your family?
E-Chick Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-15-2002
Posts: 4,877
ps...I'm not flaming you...please don't take it as such!

:)

Marla
djheater Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2003
Posts: 169
Both my daughters are in the public school system. My aunt has taught elementary school for more than 30 years, and one of my close friends is a teacher as well.

You must know as well as I do that the board is in a tight spot and is taking the easy, most legally defensible way out.

A judge must be impartial if he is to be 'honorable', he doesn't have the luxury of throwing something out of court unless there is reason and precedent to do so.

Who in your family works in the judiciary?

{no flames}
RDC Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
Protect themselves? So if little Johnny or Susie has a bad day because they only got 29 cards and someone else got 30 they'll cry to mommy and daddy and they will inturn sue the school?!?! WTF is this world coming to?!?!

We can not pamper our kids or shield them from the world all day every day. If we do, when they are out in it for real they will have a rude awakining when they dont get what they want or someone says Boo to them.

In fact everyone on all of these boards has hurt my feelings by out bidding me at one time or another so you will be hearing from my attorney!!!

WhaaaaaaaaaaaaaWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWhaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Gimme a friggen break!!
Gb Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2003
Posts: 260
I think it is rediculous that the schools are losing sight of common sense in an effort to protect itself from lawsuits. They should get better lawyers to get these stupid suites bounced out of court. We can't rely on the ability of a judge to throw it out.

On the flip side, there should be some way to protect the schools from even having to think about these bogus lawsuits. This whole thing is way out of hand.

In a nutshell, over zealous parents need to be flogged for their stupidity and the schools need to recapture their common sense.
jjohnson28 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
Posts: 7,914
Beauracrats and common sense? HA!
jjohnson28 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
Posts: 7,914
School districts today and common sense? HA!
Cavallo Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
PC B.S. is rampant. one quality sorely lacking in our country as a whole is MODERATION. when anything gets taken too far, it tends to hurt everyone. this is a classic case.

i understand that schools can't afford lawsuits, but i would hope that common sense in and out of the courthouse would prevail in cases like this. there is no guarantee in our nation's constitution OR ITS HISTORY that guarantees a freedom from having one's feelings hurt.

i agree with the points that you brought up, RDC, about what can be gained from exchanging cards/candy -- learning to write, create, share, give, etc. good for you for bringing this up at your school, and i hope you and the other parents prevail.

that said, and on a different matter:
==== rant (hopefully instructional, not meant to offend) mode on ====

e-chick wrote:
"They don't ban homosexuals from teaching and openly displaying their sexual preferences and behaviors..."

with all due respect, hon, that's not true in most places in the USA, and i don't know of any school district that will allow sexual behavior to be displayed by ANY teacher. gay, bi and lesbian teachers HAVE been and STILL ARE fired solely for their sexual orientation. and it's perfectly legal to do so.

i'm not talking about someone who is somehow "openly displaying" their prefs/behaviors -- these are folks who, like many homosexuals do, keep their private lives private. but it still happens today that if a teacher is somehow "found out" to be gay/bi/lesbian, that teacher can be quite legally fired on that basis alone.

my brother is gay. he's a trucker and a biker and looks like burt reynolds did about 20 years back. wears flannel shirts and jeans and basically doesn't fit the stereotype at all (but then gays who DON'T fit the stereotype are assumed to be straight most of the time -- they're essentially invisible).

anyway, he's had friends (people i know, too) -- men and women -- who have been fired from their jobs for being gay: a jr. high math teacher and a high school english teacher. i also have a friend, a lady who taught art in h.s. in an MA school, who was fired for the same reason: someone found out that they were gay and raised hell about it.

in just these 3 cases -- 2 women, 1 man -- all of them lead your basic, boring, significant other, cat or dog and a picket fence kind of lives. they didn't so much as have a photo of their SO up at work, nothing at all to indicate their orientation and relationship status. well, i take that back -- the woman i know had a plain silver ring that her gf of 10 years had given her on their anniversary.

sorry for the rant, but having a gay brother i've got to shoot down stereotypes and myths when i see them. i don't want my brother, friends or people like them to be a victim of false blanket statements.
==== end o' rant ====
al'Thor Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 06-17-2003
Posts: 2,793
my wife taught for the Plano ISD for 7 years - finally left for neighboring Allen ISD because of crap like this. they already banned Christmas and Easter. They wouldn't let her even put up anything RED or GREEN in her room...UNLESS it was for Kwanza!! She couldn't mention Christmas or Easter, couldn't make any decorations (she teaches first grade), etc. In fact, one teacher was told she couldn't wear a cross necklace because it was too big! This is the same school district that was trying to tell parents what they could and could NOT put in their childrens lunches!!! I'm sure they're not the only district that's like this either - just an example of liberal influences...
E-Chick Offline
#18 Posted:
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Point taken Antonioooooo...

Mike and I have several gay (as well as teachers and one vice-principal) friends and business associates.

Gays/teachers are not monsters...I'm not a gay-basher...I just don't agree with the lifestyle.

Period.

In fact, I'm sure what you are saying is true in MOST of the US. However, I have personally had a different experience.

Not only was the "gay teacher" openly gay, he encouraged the lifestyle, spoke about his partners as his lovers in a manner which, pardon me, is extremely unacceptable to be expressing to a 5th grade student (sheesh, they haven't even had sex-ed yet!), he would call and harrass parents at all hours of the night if he didn't like your child, he set up "special" punishments for kids that weren't the perfect, quiet little students, he blatantly lied to my face about a situation in the classroom involving my child...and the list goes on.

All because he's gay, and damned proud of it.

Of course I can't say that ALL gays/teachers would/do behave in such a manner. But he did. He is a teacher. He wants to be known as a gay man. He still is somewhere in our local school district. Although, not at the same school after I got through with him.

Now, if I went in as a Christian...pronouncing such and telling the kids to embrace the Christian lifestyle, WHAT on GOD'S green earth would happen???

No, let's change the word Christian to Ku Klux Klan member.

Yep.

djheater,

Nobody has ever worked in the judiciary in my family...

As a matter of fact, I've only appeared in court on several occassions. At the adoption of my nephew after my sister died, my first and only traffic ticket when I was 19, a medical settlement case for my injured daughter, the arraingment of a guy that confessed to murdering my 18 year old cousin Sarah this past fall, and a hand full of times to try to get the deadbeat business customers of ours to pay up...

None of my cases were frivolous. Valentine's abuse would be....

Puh-lease...

I still think that any judge worth his weight, would toss it out.

Marla

(Still no flames, LOL)

Gb Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2003
Posts: 260
It sounds like your bad experience was with a bad teacher and the fact he was guy should have nothing to do with it. There are bad people out there (straight or gay) and it sounds like you had one teaching your daughter. Glad to hear you got him bounced... hopefully on the grounds that he was a poor educator rather than the fact he is gay.
smokin.joe Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 12-25-1999
Posts: 85
I too live in the Plano ISD. The decision was reversed, or so it says in today's Dallas Morning News. Guess they came to their senses....
bigjordo Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 11-28-2002
Posts: 154
if they dont repeal it, you can always go dance around the schools holding up giant red hearts that say "our children love each other, the school district hates them"....thatd make a great front page picture in the dallas morning news
Cavallo Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
marla: sorry you had to experience something like that. there are jackholes of all persuasions, though, and personally i don't think craptastic so-called "teachers" like that one have any place in the classroom. whatever one's orientation, there's NEVER a reason for a teacher to talk abhout his/her sex life in the classroom. zero tolerance policy there. i hope to hell that guy's no longer teaching. :P

i'm glad that the school district resolved its collective rectal-cranial inversion! bring on the "i choo-choo-choose you!" cards! :)

-antooooooooonio. :D
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