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Cop kills unarmed teen



By JOSE MARTINEZ, JONATHAN LEMIRE and PAUL H.B. SHIN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS


A housing cop killed an unarmed 19-year-old high school student on the roof of a Brooklyn housing project yesterday in what the police commissioner called an unjustified shooting.
A veteran officer on routine roof patrol at the Louis Armstrong Houses in Bedford-Stuyvesant shot Timothy Stansbury Jr. once at the top of a staircase leading to the roof of 385 Lexington Ave. shortly before 1 a.m., Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

"At this point, based on the facts we have gathered, there appears to be no justification for this shooting," Kelly said. "This is a tragic incident that compels us to take an in-depth look at the tactics and training for new and veteran officers."

Stansbury's family was distraught and outraged.

"They're killing us like dogs out here, pure dogs!" said Stansbury's mother, Phyllis Clayburne, a Police Department crossing guard.

Police sources said Officer Richard Neri, 35 - who had not fired a shot in the line of duty in his 12-year career - seems to have been startled when his partner, Officer Jason Hallik, 33, opened the roof door from the outside just as Stansbury pushed on the door from the inside.

After squeezing off a round, Neri screamed to Hallik, "I let one go! I let one go!" Hallik told investigators, sources said.

Hallik also said it may have appeared that Stansbury was lunging at him, prompting Neri to fire to protect his partner, a source said.

Stansbury was shot in the chest from3 to 4 feet away and left a trail of blood as he staggered to the lobby five flights below and collapsed, Kelly said.

The teen and two friends had been planning to return to a party in an adjacent building via the rooftop, which was common practice in the complex, neighbors said. However, Housing Authority rules forbid walking on the roof.

Stansbury's friends told family members the teen did nothing to provoke the shooting and was holding only music CDs.

"Mommy, I saw them shoot him for no reason," a tearful Terrence Fisher, 19, told his mother, Jewel Austin, 44, she said.

"It doesn't make any sense," said the victim's father, Timothy Stansbury Sr., 45. "Why would a trained police officer just shoot a young boy who's not even armed?"

The father, who spoke to his son's two companions shortly after the shooting, said the officer "didn't ask no questions, didn't say freeze, didn't say hold it, didn't say stop, and just shot my son, just like that."

Residents of the sprawling housing project shouted angrily in the hallways as Mayor Bloomberg visited the family to offer his condolences.

Bloomberg promised a full investigation, officials said.

Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn) said of the incident, "Heads should roll."

Elizabeth Decambre, 45, who lives on the first floor near where Stansbury collapsed, said the two uniformed officers stood over the teen while neighbors screamed for them to help.

"The kid was lying there looking up at us. He was reaching up with one arm," she said.

Stansbury was taken to Woodhull Hospital, where he died about 2:40 a.m., officials said. He had been working toward his GED at Thomas Jefferson High School, family members said.

Officers are permitted to draw their guns while on rooftop patrol, Kelly said. He said it appears the officer gave no warning before firing his Glock 9-mm. semiautomatic handgun.

City Hall and police brass were quick to declare the shooting unjustified, with Kelly making his statement about 2 p.m. The speed of the response was in contrast to police handling of the shootings of other unarmed civilians, including Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond, in recent years.

Neri has been placed on modified duty, and his weapon and shield were taken from him, officials said. At the request of Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes, detectives did not immediately interview Neri.

Hallik, who has been on the job for four years, has been placed on administrative desk duty, officials said.

One of Neri's neighbors in Wantagh, L.I., described him as a "good family man."


The final hours of Timothy Stansbury


10:30 p.m.: Stansbury clocks out of his job at McDonald's on Fulton St. and Nostrand Ave. and begins walking home.

10:45 p.m.: Stansbury arrives at his grandmother's fourth-floor apartment at 395 Lexington Ave. and changes from his McDonald's uniform to his street clothes. He plays video games and listens to rap for about 1.5 hours.

About 12:30 a.m.: Stansbury's friend Shawn Rahmes, 23, comes to Stansbury's apartment. They leave together to go to a friend's birthday party next door.

About 12:45 a.m.: Stansbury and Rahmes leave the party to pick up some CDs from a friend's third-floor apartment at 385 Lexington Ave.

Shortly before 1 a.m.: Stansbury, Rahmes and his deejay friend, Terrence Fisher, 19, leave Fisher's apartment and climb the stairs to the roof of 385 Lexington Ave. At the same time, Officer Richard Neri, 35, and his partner, Jason Hallik, 33, are patrolling the rooftop of 385 Lexington Ave.

Minutes later: Stansbury, Hallik and Neri reach the rooftop doorway simultaneously - the cops on the outside, the teens from the inside. Hallik opens the door. Neri, startled, shoots Stansbury in the chest. Stansbury and his two friends stumble back down the stairs.

12:58 a.m.: Neri and Hallik find Stansbury collapsed in a pool of blood in the first-floor lobby of 385 Lexington Ave. and call for an ambulance. Stansbury is taken to Woodhull Hospital in critical condition.

2:40 a.m.: Stansbury is declared dead at Woodhull Hospital.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/158156p-138819c.html

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AND of course the pig gets away with it. Whats one more dead black boy....
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Housing cop is cleared

39 minutes ago
By NANCIE L. KATZ and LEO STANDORA, DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

After only 35 minutes of emotional deliberation, a grand jury declined yesterday to indict a cop for fatally shooting an unarmed teenager on a Brooklyn roof last month.


The decision cleared Police Officer Richard Neri in the death of 19-year-old Timothy Stansbury - a shooting that sparked a firestorm of anger among both cops and civilians. Neri is white; Stansbury was black.


Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had said the shooting appeared to be unjustified, and an indictment had been expected in the Jan. 24 shooting.


But Brooklyn prosecutors could not get 12 of the 23 grand jury members - most of whom were black or Hispanic - to hand up an indictment.


"Some came out crying," a source said. "They said they thought it was an accident."


Sources said the grand jury was swayed by an NYPD training officer who testified that Neri was following procedures, was not reckless and was "doing what cops are trained to do" at the time of the shooting.


Also in Neri's favor were that he never fired his weapon before and had no civilian complaints on his record.


Kelly offered no comment yesterday. His chief spokesman, Paul Browne, said two NYPD review boards are studying the shooting for possible departmental charges.


Neri, 35, who will be kept at a desk job in the Housing Bureau, also could face a federal civil rights probe and a civil suit from Stansbury's family.


The victim's mother, Phyllis, was furious.


Before slamming the door of her Bedford-Stuyvesant apartment in a reporter's face, she shrieked, "I have no comment. Get it from the police."


Stansbury's grandmother, Irene Clayburne, 73, with whom the teen lived, said through tears: "I never thought we wouldn't get an indictment. I've been sick over this and my heart keeps breaking."


When Neri appeared on television, she shouted, "That ****! How could he take my child? We have to find a way to get him to go to jail."


Of the two criminal charges considered by the grand jury, the most serious, second-degree manslaughter, would have carried a maximum of 15 years in prison.


Neri, a veteran of nearly 12 years, and his partner had been patrolling building rooftops in the Louis Armstrong Houses on the night of the shooting, while Stansbury and two friends wanted to use the roof as a shortcut to another building.


Neri's partner told investigators that the shooting occurred after he tried to pull open the door so that Neri, his gun drawn, could peer inside for any lurking drug suspects.


Stansbury startled the officers by appearing at the door and moving toward Neri, who responded with one shot, the partner said. Stansbury's friends said Stansbury made no sudden moves and never got beyond the stairwell landing.





"There are no winners in this case; it's still a tragic loss of life. But my client is gratified that the grand jury listened to the evidence and had the courage to do what was right," said Stuart London, Neri's lawyer.

Neri was told of the grand jury's decision at his Long Island home; he declined to comment last night.

The grand jury's decision did little to quell the tension surrounding the shooting.

Mayor Bloomberg called Stansbury's death a "heartbreaking tragedy" and said the NYPD would determine the "appropriate course of action."

But City Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn) said Stansbury's parents planned to ask federal prosecutors in Brooklyn to bring civil rights charges against Neri.

"They are shocked and outraged and just distraught that no justice was given," Barron said. "Their son did nothing to deserve this death."

Stansbury's sister Timetress Stansbury, 22, was outraged. "He [Neri] shouldn't get a desk job. He shouldn't still be getting paid. He should go to jail for he's torn this family apart."With Jonathan Lemire, Kerry Burke and Tony Sclafani

NYPD usually gets benefit of doubt

Charges are rare and convictions rarer in New York City police shootings involving unarmed victims. Some examples:

Ousmane Zongo

Unarmed West African killed fleeing a police raid last May. Case still under investigation.

Patrick Dorismond

Grand jury refused to indict police in shooting that followed a scuffle; city settled a lawsuit for $2.25 million.

Amadou Diallo

Officers who fired 41 shots were acquitted of murder charges. The city settled a lawsuit for $3 million.

Nathaniel Gaines

Navy veteran was shot in the back during confrontation with a transit cop. Officer Paolo Colecchia was convicted of second-degree manslaughter in 1997.Derek Rose

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kr/20040218/lo_krnewyork/housingcopiscleared
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the police oficer will be assigned desk duty with pay until the outcome of the investigation. the autopsy will show the teenager had no drugs, but had consumed alcohol which may explain him lunging at the other officer.

the investigation will clear the officer.

please, i am not denigrating police officers. they do their job and earn their pay. the problem is the police administration does nothing to control officers or punish them when they make a mistake. this officer has probbly been working a high crime area as evidenced by his authority to remove his weapon from it's holster when he patrols the roofs.

his superiors should have been alerted to this potential problem and changed his duty to some other area before his happened. some one must have noticed this officer's tension level working the roof patrol.

i believe the police officer who slammed the young kid who was hancuffed into the hood of the car has not been found innocent or guilty. two hung juries. however, he should be released from the department and he should never be allowed to work for any police force or security service again. he is obviously not able to control his anger.
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That pig **** should be jailed for life.
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in this case, i see the officer's actions as an accident. does that make it right? not by a long shot. but this isn't a case of 41 bullets -- it's a case of one startled officer, gun drawn, firing one shot and verbally recognizing the mistake immediately ("i let one go! i let one go!" in cop talk translates roughly to "oh ****. i didn't mean to do that!").

thing is, a life's been taken needlessly. i'm sure that no one is going to be as rough on officer neri as he himself will be. sounds like a good cop -- not a single complaint on his record, never fired his weapon -- in 12 years? that's a lifetime for an NYPD cop.

it's an accident. tragic, yes. i doubt that he will be put on similar duty ever again, and he's going to face years of accusations as a murderer. i feel bad for him, and i feel bad for the victim's family.

but sometimes there is just no way to take back time or ever "make it right."

one thing i wish, though, is that families would consider sueing drug dealers and street murderers for civil rights violations. does it matter if the bullet comes from the gun or a cop or from the gun of a criminal? for that matter, does it have to be a bullet at all? how many are killed by the needle? how many by the crack pipe? where's the outrage for the pushers who deal out those deaths? where are the civil rights violation trials bringing those to justice who deal in wholesale disease and death via needle and pipe?

people in my mostly white suburban neighborhood aren't dying from the needle or the pipe. people in the mostly black neighborhood are. is that not discrimination? where's the trial for the dealers killing black boys (and girls) with the needle and the pipe?
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NO! Don't jail him, 65! Rather, let the Nazi dogs eat him!!!!!!!!!!!LOL
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Pointing the blame away and onto the drug dealers?

First of all, if someone wants to kill them self with drugs that is their right, or it should be their right. All drugs should be legal, and the people in jails for non violent crimes should be free to make room for these cops that shoot unarmed Americans.

I blame the laws and the police for all Americans killed by drug related crimes. But this is not the issue at hand, a crazy pig with a gun who shot dead an unarmed black child, not on drugs nor dealing drugs, in his own apartment complex is the issue at hand.


The Nazi dogs ate this poor black child as they did so many others.
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.....btw, you're right! Let's legalize all drugs then we can have every crackhead under the sun going crazy.....think, man. Do you have any REAL idea of what drugs do to people and those around them (many of which are innocent bystanders)? A crackhead would still have to find ways to finance his/her habit.

65, your views are a bit over the edge, but they are passionate.
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65 writes: "Pointing the blame away and onto the drug dealers?"

nope, not at all. my motto in law enforcement as with every other aspect of life is this: there are 1,000 reasons but not one excuse.

and officer neri should not be EXCUSED for his actions, although they can be understood -- apparently even by a jury comprised of mostly people of color and civilians.

your rabid attack on the man, however, is inexcusable. sure, you can think whatever you want to think, but an officer who's done 12 years as a beat cop in nyc without a single complaint and w/o ever firing his sidearm is not, imo, "crazy" by any means.

the man made a mistake. a deadly mistake. no matter what the punishment from the outside, he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. he sounds like the kind of officer who is going to punish himself for it on the inside all the rest of his days.

and that's as it should be. NO ONE should take a life in such a manner and not be haunted by it. there are 1,000 reasons, but not one excuse.

bear in mind, i'm not the kind of guy who eases up on someone because he's a "brother of the badge," either. if cops screwed up under my command, i'd be so far up their butts that they'd see me waving hello when they opened their mouths to speak. i can't imagine how furious i would be if one of my guys had killed a civilian under those circumstances.

i hold POs to a high, high standard and expect that someone with 12 years on the beat to be damned near able to walk on water while wearing that uniform.

i also realize that there are humans behind the badges, and all humans make mistakes. sometimes deadly mistakes. but there are 1,000 reasons, but not one excuse.

as for the "civil rights violation," though, i draw the line there. there is ZERO evidence that officer nero was out to kill a person of color or harm that young man in ANY way. zero evidence. and i must say that i am SICK TO DEATH of any harm that befalls a person of color turning INTO a "race issue."

accidents happen to everyone. if a white man had been behind that door, i'm sure it would have been a white man who had taken nero's bullet in that situation.

41 bullets in a black man's body stinks to high heaven of civil rights violation.

a single bullet in a black man from a cop with NO prior complaints and NO prior shots fired has nothing under the son to do with race or civil rights. it has to do only with one cop making one mistake, and that mistake being a tragic and deadly one.

yes, the victim's family is due all the sympathy in the world, all the prayers, all the comfort, and all the compensation to which they are entitled for this tragic accident.

they are not due one cent, however, for having black skin. the victim could have been of any race; the officer could have any race. if it had been a black officer who had made this error, would this be a "civil rights" issue?

i've no doubt that some of you will label me a racist (to go along with the "pig" and "baby killer" labels flying around here lately). if that's what you think, go for it. but don't for a second think that you know me very well.
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Alcohol and tobacco are drugs too, why not make them illegal and then even you would be jailed for doing drugs.

right now im sure you are aware of the tobacco laws being passed, soon you will be driving to the city to buy cigars from a black guy name giggyfly and the Nazi police will pull you from your car, push your face into the street, jam their knee into your back, then you will be forced to sit in a jail cell for 12 hours while your wife puts the house up to get you out on bail.

People that commit violent crimes should be jailed not people that do drugs. If we would use that thinking then people that own guns should all be jailed because guns kill. Or do the people behind the guns kill?
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the above was to Sonny

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Cavallo so a cop should have his gun out finger on trigger while do a routine patrol in a apartment complex, and being that he made it 12 years without shooting somebody should give him a pass??

You think he should still be a cop? Maybe we should put him in the school system to walk the halls.

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65: nope. never once did i say that he should be given a pass. he should be judged, as he was, in a grand jury investigation, and the findings of that jury should stick.

if we don't go with what a jury decides in our criminal justice system, then we might as well just ditch the whole thing and string up anyone we suspect to be guilty of any crime. get out the rope and go wild. somehow i don't think a whole lot of white cops are going to end up strung up with that kind of "justice system," though.

as for him continuing as a cop? that requires more facts than i have. personally, i'd put him into mandatory counseling for at least one year, and in that time he could continue to work in a low-stress, unarmed capacity. if, after a year, he's deemed as fit for full duty, then yes. he can return to full duty. however, i would still not want him in a high-incident area or on night duty. i'd be more inclined to put him in a cruiser doing traffic patrol.
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...what happened with you and the law???
You mentioned your attorney keeping you out of jail and you seem to have a deep resentment for officials of the law (or Nazis as you would say).

hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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"he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. he sounds like the kind of officer who is going to punish himself ""

Not if he hates black people, he could see this in his eyes as doing a public service.
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To answer your question sonny, I myself have been a victim of police violating my rights, and it was thrown out of court. I have seen first hand police violating the people of this country’s rights many, many times.

I have no criminal record.
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ahh.....figured you had a bad experience. I will agree that Officers of the law many times don't realize that they are not figures of authority, rather they are enforcers of the laws that the real figures of authority lay before us. I wish all municipalities had enough funding to hire/recruit highly educated individuals as does the FBI, US Marshalls, and some other select law enforcement agencies.
At times, people of questionable character are put in these jobs because no one wants to work for peanuts.
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The police are above the law, they always get away with murder it seems.

It’s very hard to sue the police, because after you file the papers, the other pigs will harass you and your family, even plant evidence on you. Nobody wants to make enemies of the police, not the victims nor the jury's, it’s an unfair system.

There is the law, and there is how things really work.

I can find many cases of this type of revenge brought onto those who file a complaint against the police. Even people going to court for a pot charge if you decide to take a simple charge like that to court and plead not guilty, the judge is libel to throw the book at you for wasting the courts time on such a silly matter.
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Tobacco is a drug? And here I thought it was a plant.

Asprin is a drug, so is Viagara, morphine, penacilian (sp?), and caffine. You want to make all those illegal 65?

I agree that the officer should be reprimanded. But life in jail? Come on 65. If it was an accident is that right? If you are moving a piano and you lose your grip and it rolls down the stairs and kills your budy who was helping you move it should you get a lifetime in jail? I think you need a reality check.
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plabonte maybe you should reread my posts.
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Why is a cop doing a routine patrol with his gun in hand and finger on trigger.

Why to police have gun holsters? For when they are beating a innocent man to death with their clubs.

hahahahaha
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I did. That is why I posted.

65 you complain that the cops are above the law. Yet you say don't jail drug users. If we didn't punish drug users wouldn't that make them above the law as well? Which way do you want it?
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Your being silly now, if you legalize all drugs, then it would not be a crime.

Drugs don’t kill people, people kill people.

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is the WAR ON DRUGS working? we just need to build more jails is all, right?

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Drugs don't kill people? That is the stupidest thing I've heard to date on this board. Do the words "Heroin Overdose" mean anything to you?

If drugs don't kill people then please explain to me why Jimmy Hendrix is no longer playing guitar.
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Is the war on drugs working. Yes to an extent. If we did nothing there would be a lot more drugs in the US then there are now.

Is the war on murder working? We still have them so it must not based on your logic. Better to just make it legal then.
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"guns don’t kill people, people kill people," That is the stupidest thing I've heard to date on this board did you ever hear of suicide by hand gun?

I think guns should be banned.
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lets jail all people that own guns. we need more jails damnit. more jails.

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tobacco and alcohol are drugs too and have been known to kill people. Let’s jail cigar smokers and beer drinkers. We need to make whole state into big jails. More and more jails. That is the answer.

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65 you don't even know what you are talking about anymore. I don't recall anyone saying "guns don’t kill people, people kill people". But you did say that drugs don't kill people. Stick with the argument at hand. You said drugs don't kill people do you still stand by that if so explain it.

Also, tobacco is NOT a drug it is a plant. Please get your facts straigt.
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Geez I really need to spell check or re-read these things before I post them.
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"tobacco is NOT a drug it is a plant"

really? it must hurt to think like that lol

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Is coffee a drug? Is chocolate a drug?
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Although I'm not sure why we are arguing about drugs when the original post had nothing to do with them.
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Is coffee a drug? Is chocolate a drug?

Yes they are drugs. Parts of each of these chemicals you speak of are used in many behind the counter drugs.

most all drugs come from plant matters.

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If you don’t believe me, give a small child 5 candy bars and a cup of black coffee, then lock yourself in a small room with him, and you will witness a hell on earth you never could imagine.
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Caffine is a drug. Coffee and chocolate are items which contain the drug caffine. Unless of course its decaffinated coffee.

One of my favorite things to drink onstage with my band is Water Joe. Its water with caffine added. Does that mean the water is a drug? Of course not. Its an item that contains a drug.



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thanks, plabonte... i was just gonna say, tobacco IS a plant. nicotine is a drug. oy.

65, there is not one shred of evidence that this officer was "out to get" any black people. going for 12 years in nyc w/o a single civvy complaint, however, says a LOT about his character. that is an extremely positive statement.

why did he have his sidearm out on the roof? BECAUSE IT IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR ROOF PATROL. there was nothing malicious about that; he was doing exactly what his dept's SOP said he should be doing.
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Cops killing the disabled...there outta be a law!
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I would like to ask the question of what was the youth doing on the roof in the first place and why did he lunge at the officer?

Certainly these don't warrant a shooting. But it also isn't as if this kid was on a street corner and the cop just walked up to him and blasted him.
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Where do you geniuses think nicotine comes from?

That’s like saying marijuana is a plant and Tetrahydrocannabinol is a drug. But the plant contains Tetrahydrocannabinol therefore the whole plant is illegal.

Granted it’s a non-pure form of the active ingredient, but that drug is there in the tobacco plant from the start it is not added. Sure one could extract a pure form of nicotine out of a tobacco plant and spray it on to a cigarette to increase the nicotine ratio, but regardless nicotine is found in the tobacco plant.

The Tobacco plant contains the drug nicotine naturally.

Now for, a standard procedure walking around rooftops with guns in hand on routine patrol, that’s insane and should be rethought, the police might shoot an innocent man by accident…

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Why did he lunge at the officer?

the cop is lying that’s why, im sure a unarmed innocent black child is going to lunge at a white cop with his gun in hand and finger on the trigger, lol tell me another one.

From what I hear, the child was opening the roof door at the same time the cop was and the cop got spooked and blow the kids head off.

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Caffine is found naturally in coffee beans (at least I think it does. I don't think they add caffine to the coffee after). So they take the DRUG out of the COFFEE. The coffee isn't the drug.

I would hazard a guess that the same could be true of tobacco. Although I'm no biologist I would think that you could grow a strain of tobacco with more Nicotine in it or less, or even none at all. If you have a strain of tobacco with no nicotine in it does that mean the tobacco is still a drug? Or does that mean it isn't tobacco anymore.

Now I could be totally wrong about this but I don't think marijuana the plant is illegal per say. I know there is marijuana in hemp and some clothes and necklaces sold in the US are made of that. Also, I went to a tanning salon and got some bronzing lotion and that clearly said on the label that it contained marijuana plant. It even had a big pot leaf on the label. So I'm thinking the plant isn't illegal its the THC that is. If you can get the plant without THC its ok. Am I wrong about that?
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#44 Posted:
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Posts: 2,131
"The copy is lying". So you are saying that the cop is guilty then.

Funny, I thought you lived in the United States where someone is inncoent until proven guilty. What Country do you live in 65?
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#45 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,507
I would've thought the cops would shoot a person with arms. Maybe even legs, and a head...what are they teaching at the Academy nowadays?

Jeeesh!
65gtoman Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2003
Posts: 858
plabonte, Read a book on organic chemistry or botany, and I live in the same country the poor dead black boy lives in.
plabonte Offline
#47 Posted:
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"I live in the same country the poor dead black boy lives in."

Now I'm really confused. Is the poor black boy dead or is he living? According to the above statement he is both.


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#48 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,507
Somebody call a democrat in here...STAT!

We've got disenfrachised people dying, plants dying, chemists polluting, racist cops shooting everybody, confusion and hippies, oh....nevermind...is this the Dean rally or the parking lot for the Phish festival?
65gtoman Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2003
Posts: 858
*lived. ok I see you are all done, your down to making fun of my grammar mistakes now.


I find it funny that regardless of how and why a child was shot, that the "evil right wing" will defend the actions of a cop who is clearly in the wrong.

Congratulations to Cavallo for not taking this (total right wing cops do no wrong stance) as many so called republicans often do.

Im all done on this topic, I need to get back to cleaning the house up, a weekend party has destroyed most of my kitchen

And DR mad, very funny jokes man, did you like mine about: Why do police have holsters? So they have a place for their guns when beating an innocent man to death with their nightsticks hehehe
plabonte Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2000
Posts: 2,131
I'm not done 65. I made fun of your grammer because you ignored all my previous posts and questions. It is pretty funny when you read that statement back. Although not nearly as funny as DR MV's last post.

Also, I'm not defending anyone. I said if he shot the kid he should be reprimanded. I just didn't think your suggestion of life in jail for an accident (if that is what it was) was right.
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