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Kerry's war record
CanyonDVM Offline
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This was written by a retired admiral and Annapolis graduate. The item offers no direct testimony about Kerry, but it does provide informed background useful in assessing what Kerry seems to have claimed for himself.

Our media should be demanding that Senator Kerry open his service records in the same way they demanded that of President Bush regarding his NG service.

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I was in the Delta shortly after he [Kerry] left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.

(2) Three Purple Hearts, but no limp. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty? Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals
every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.

(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.

(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.

(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn't return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering our flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.
mhpd Offline
#2 Posted:
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Research, please!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
usahog Offline
#3 Posted:
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why did I know that was coming??? LMAO!!!!!

Hog
xibbumbero Offline
#4 Posted:
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He musta done it with mirrors. BTW what's dubya's war record like? X
usahog Offline
#5 Posted:
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well dubya conqured a country and is in the midst of rebuilding a democracy... Did Kerry do that in 4 months of In country service?? and what was his total track record of time in service?? including to make lt grade software... the man never had the balls in the 70's what makes you think he has it now???

where's that other nutcase the dems got running still somewhere out there.. whats his name?? Dean??? why don't they just drag up another Howard as in Stern and push some cash to get him to run against GWB... they would probably have a better ticket!!!!

sorry i fell off my chair a second.. press on!!!!
we'll see who's laughin after the 2004's are finally over...

Hog
xibbumbero Offline
#6 Posted:
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Take it easy Hog,LOL. Yes,the election will speak for it self. X
RDC Offline
#7 Posted:
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The election? Tell that to Clay Aiken. He shoulda won!

I know it, you know it, the whole country knows it.

:-)
Cavallo Offline
#8 Posted:
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well, kerry saved the lives of the men on his patrol boat. check out the snopes article -- read about how he got that silver medal and what the men he served with think of him.

where's all of bush's old ANG buddies? no one seems to even be able to find any...
Cavallo Offline
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btw, kerry at least was the warrior in uniform who pulled the trigger on the enemy who threatened to kill his troops.

as far as i know, bush hasn't had his finger anywhere near a trigger in this war or any other. someone else's sons and daughters are winning THIS war. they're the ones out in the dirt getting shot at -- not dubya. just a little perspective.

i'm not pro-kerry, and i'm not anti-bush. just for the record.
65gtoman Offline
#10 Posted:
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Cavallo, did you not read my post about how Kerry helped killed hundreds of this country’s POW's?

Cavallo I can find one or two nice things Hitler did, but that still won’t make him a nice guy.

Im shocked you would try to shine Kerry in a nice light, only to pick on bush, this is a prime example of why this country has gone to the Nazi dogs. You seem to follow the rickmaven way of only wanting bush out of power but fail to see that you will install an even bigger monster then bush himself.

Are you going to sell out your children only for a shallow day of hollow rejoice that will never come?

65gtoman Offline
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*kill
CanyonDVM Offline
#12 Posted:
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If war hero status is a factor, Bush 41 defeats Clinton to be followed by Dole or McCain.
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted:
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Sick and tired of hearing about Kerry's War Record! Why not talk about his voting record (LMAO) as a US Senator and the scores of "Special Interest" money he has pocketed while claiming innocence!

Charlie
usahog Offline
#14 Posted:
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"as far as i know, bush hasn't had his finger anywhere near a trigger in this war or any other"

Umm Cav... Bush pulled the trigger (that Shock & AWwww) Trigger on the whole Saddam Hussain Regime... and look whats left... he also Pulled the Trigger on the Culprets responsible for 911 and look whats left...

Bush is packin a mighty big gun and the funny thing is he don't care about no stinkin Medals... he cares about the American People.. that is why he Pulled the trigger so many times and not affraid to pull it again if need be... I say 2004 Bush should keep his holsters and his Guns...

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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meanwhile, little w is watching the event on tv. he was so excited he swallowed a pretzle, fell against the coffee table, and put in for a purple heart.
CWFoster Offline
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Bush never put himself in for any awards that I've ever heard of Rick. WHY are you so adamant about ousting him, even if the alternative may be even WORSE than what you seem to think he is? You seem obsessed with Bushs defeat. WHY? What did he do that is any worse than other Presidents (some of whom are quite revered, FDR comes to mind). Why do you seem to think that Bush is such a stormtrooper? Why do you think Kerry would be any better? I think it would be tantamount to jumping out of the pan and into the fire! So, what exactly did Bush do to pee in your Wheaties so?
pabloescabar Offline
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DEMACRATS SOFT,MAKES FOR A WEEK AMERICA! VOTE BUSH NUFF SAID!
pabloescabar Offline
#18 Posted:
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I said weak!
CanyonDVM Offline
#19 Posted:
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Bingo Charlie. When Bush talks about Kerry's voting record he whines about rehashing the Viet Nam War, Which I thing he is running on. If his voting record is not lagit what is?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://www.geocities.com/seavet72/AW/ws-kerry.htm
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

-- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971

DrMaddVibe Offline
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John Kerry's assault on this country did not rise fullblown in his mind, like Venus from the Cypriot Sea. It is the crystallization of an assault upon America which has been fostered over the years by an intellectual class given over to self-doubt and self-hatred, driven by a cultural disgust with the uses to which so many people put their freedom. The assault on the military, the many and subtle vibrations of which you feel as keenly as James Baldwin knows the inflections of racism, is an assault on the proposition that what we have, in America, is truly worth defending.

-- William F. Buckley, Jr., commencement address at West Point, June 8, 1971
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/audio/warcrimes.mp3
Cavallo Offline
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GTO: again, i am not pro-kerry and am not voting for the man. didn't you get that the first 20 times i've posted it?

again, i'm not anti-bush and do not condone bashing him either. i don't know where you are seeing all these pro-kerry/anti-bush posts of mine, coz i d*** sure don't remember writing them!

or are you just assuming that if someone doesn't automatically bash kerry and cheer bush that he's a liberal nazi scumbag? gaaah!
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