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WHY IS THE FDA AGAINST BUYING DRUGS FROM CANADA?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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just a few examples
ZETIA
CANADA 10 MG 100 TAB $183.00

USA 10MG 90 TABS $199.97

CANADA
Ezetrol (Ezetimibe) Tablets
(known in the U.S. as Zetia)
10 mg - 100 Tablets - $182.00
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US Plavix 75MG 30 TABS $114.99


CANADA Plavix (Clopidogrel Bisulfate) 75mg - 28 TABS - $81.00
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CANADA
Sertraline Hcl (generic of Zoloft) - Capsules
100 MG 100 CAPS $120.00 US DOLLARS

ZOLOFT
100 MG 100 CAPS $166.00 US DOLLARS

US
Zoloft 100 MG 90 TABS $203,97

CWFoster Offline
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The FDA is trying to force Americans to purchase drugs at American prices in America, because the drug companies have to pay higher insurance premiums in America because Americans are lawsuit-happy!
00camper Offline
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The problem with drugs from Canada is the same as the problem with cigars from Cuba. You can't always be sure you are getting the real thing.

The supply chain of drugs is this:
from manufacturer - to distributor - to retailer - to you. Two points along the supply chain - distributor and retailer - are outside of FDA oversight when you buy drugs from Canada.

If you buy cigars from Cuba and they turn out to be counterfeit, the only harm is to your wallet. If you buy drugs from Canada and they turn out to be counterfeit you could wind up dying from an untreated illness. Counterfeit drugs are sometimes a problem in the U.S., too, but the FDA has jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute the counterfeiters. Counterfeits from other countries leave the unwary buyer at sole risk.

Buying drugs from Canada can be a smart way to save money if you are prepared to take the risk that what you receive might be counterfeit.

Some people think that the FDA is in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that's the case. I think the FDA's concern is the safety of the medications and protecting the supply chain.
rayder1 Offline
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Here's an older article regarding Canada's drug review process:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/sab-ccs/sep1999_appd_c_hpb_cihr_e.html

Obviously they don't want to go to the same extent in drug approval. However they are consistant in that they will follow FDA recommendations but they don't really keep very close tabs on the origins and destinations of their prescription meds.

It's real hard to compare prices of medicines between Canada and US. I have a hard time keeping track of the differences between pharmacies and drug stores. I once had to try and find Amantadine for my daughter who had a severe flu.

Prices before co-pay varied between $35 and $100 for a 100 ml bottle of liquid. After co-pay it was all $10. The reason I went from phamacy to pharmacy was because many were out of the medicine.

I cannot really see where one can get a reasonable comparison between Canada and US if there is such a disparity between pharmacies themselves.



Cavallo Offline
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bull. i know this is long, but read it all. i've researched the hell out of this issue. why? because this is not a hypothetical situation for me. it's a real situation that my wife and i face every month, and it makes me so angry i want to blow a fuse just thinking about it!

the drug companies spend billions upon billions of dollars in slick promotions. did you see ads for prescriptions meds on primetime tv (or on tv at all) 10 years ago? five? did you pick up a magazine a few years ago and see ad after ad for prescription medication? they don't even tell you what it's FOR -- just "ask your doctor about _______."

they have us going to our doctors to ASK FOR THEIR DRUGS now!

americans have figured out that we can get the SAME medication (sometimes it's even -gasp- american-made medication!) for a LOT less money in canada.

does that make sense? listen -- go to another country, and get your prescriptions filled. you will get AMERICAN MEDICATION but pay 1/4 of what you'd pay for it on US soil. this is not about "safety."

YOU, as a US citizen pay $200/month for the SAME PILLS that someone in germany pays $30 for -- the same AMERICAN-MADE MEDICINE!

as for the "risk" factor -- there's a risk when you take ANY medication. i would not advise taking meds formulated in some countries (like india), but "canadian medicine" is often AMERICAN-MADE MEDICINE -- sold cheaply to canada and filled cheaply in canadian pharmacies.

and what of american medication "safety?" there's been case after case after case of american-made prescription medication that have been found to be tampered with, reformulated, watered down (so to speak) and otherwise not what it's supposed to be.

no, this is not about lawsuits; it's about the fact that US pharmaceutical companies are shaking down the american public for every penny they can get -- to pay for the slick ads and the primetime t.v. spots and the millions of bucks they put towards promotional materials for doctors -- from cheapie pens and t-shirts and mugs to rolex watches and golf vacations (er, seminars i mean!) and $300/per mont blanc pens to those doctors who push enough of their particular brand of drugs... so the pharm companies can make MORE money.

ask a financial consultant what to invest in -- american pharmaceuticals. because they're safer? no -- because if you invest in it, you will get rich. period. because american citizens pay mark-ups in the thousands of dollars; other countries citizens won't stand for it. we accept it with little question.

what pharm companies lose to lawsuits is a DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to what they spend on bribing health care workers into prescribing their brand of medicine.

it's funny how i needed a much-promoted $300/mo medication until my insurance ran out -- and then my doctor "just remembered" something comparable that only cost $8.79/mo out of pocket -- and that's the one doctor i have who is ethical enough to even TELL me about the cheaper medication.

here in wilmington, there's a small business that -- at no charge to the patient -- will put the patient in contact with a reputable canadian pharmacy to fill their prescriptions. if you have no insurance, if you're on medicare, they'll work with you to get this set up, and then you deal with the pharmacy on your own. the state pharmacy board is now threatening to take them to court in order to shut them down.

seems like old folks end up paying about $100-200/month in canada -- and over $1,000 out of pocket for getting their prescriptions filled here. and the pharmacy board wants this to stop, by gosh, because they're losing buckets of money.

btw, not a single person who has used this service has had a single complaint about their medication from canada. not one in hundreds who have used this service.

and how "safe" is it when an american has to choose between whether or not he's going to pay his mortgage and have groceries that month -- or if he's going to spend that money to take the medication he needs?

this is not a hypothetical situation for me.

it's embarrassing and humiliating as hell, but i'll tell you here and now that this is the exact situation i faced personally. every single month it's "do we pay the heating bill or get your medication?" or "do we live on more than mac and cheese for lunch all week or get your prescriptions filled?"

and it is HUMILIATING to have worked hard all my life and played by the book and been a "good american citizen" and now know that our electricity might get cut off because my doctor just tacked on yet another $300/month prescription. (our electric bill in the winter is that much). we cut back and conserve, cut back and conserve -- we own our car outright (sold the one i was making payments on).

for those who say "well, sell your computer if you're so poor!" first off, my computer isn't worth $50. "well, stop paying to be online and save $20 a month!" -- i pre-paid my connection back when i was still working and required it. trust me -- we are on a tight, tight, tight budget, even though now, thank god, some of my meds finally came out in generic form.
it's still tight. it's still juggle-the-bills.

and just last month i was put on yet another prescription. guess what? it's advertised all over the place. go figure.
Cavallo Offline
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p.s. -- when i lived in mpls. and was building my resume by working temp admin. jobs at big-name corporations, one of those was a pharmaceutical company; my job was to support the sales and promotions office. another of my temp jobs was with MN's largest HMO, again in admin support and later working freelance as a technical writer to completely re-do their benefits guide book -- that's the book of what the customer service rep sees and you don't when you call up to ask "is this covered?"
rayder1 Offline
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I didn't think it wasn't safer, it's just some of the research I have found.

I am sure Canada doesn't share the similar mark up the US does. As for being American made...be careful "made in America" can mean anything from Nova Scotia to Argentina and it's not regulated.

Made is the USA is made here. However, truth is, many huge drug companies reside in Canada and Mexico anyway. Probably as much as 30%. I have purchased medicinal products in both countries and in Central America and have found all to be fine. I think when people look hard for grey market stuff like Laetral and other unapproved medicines, they run into quality issues more often.

The main stream stuff should be as good there as here. I just didn't think comparing actual US prices vs Canada was accurate being that there is such a disparity here at our own pharmacies. I'm sure it is cheaper across the board. as are most things purchased abroad.
Cavallo Offline
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rayder1: man, sorry if i came off as railing on you in my post -- it wasn't my intention to go off on anyone at all; it's just a topic that strikes home bigtime and brings out my dago hothead in general. :)

JUST talking about prescriptions in the US (oh, and good point; "made in AMERICA" is NOT the same), a lot of people don't realize just how much prices vary from pharmacy to pharmacy. i didn't until i read an article about it and decided that i'd better start doing my research since i have to pay out of pocket.

i *think* the best place, genrally speaking, was sam's club. in this area they do have the lowest prices, but i still go to eckerd's because a) my drug contract is there (part of being in a pain mgt program - you can only go to ONE pharmacy, period) and b) the prices are often just as low as sam's club. if not, it's off by pennies.

but recently i compared all my meds at all the local stores, and there was as much as a $40 difference in some of them. antibiotics seem to be especially prone to a variety of prices. most were only off by about $3-5, but hey. every bit counts and all.

anyway, good points, and a good reminder to me that it's time to do the comparison for march's meds.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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rayder1

a google search will give you several sites and you can compare them siting at home.
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Cavallo

BINGO.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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CWFoster and 00camper

cavallo knows what he is talking about.

for a one time med, just buy it locally, but for a bunch of meds you will be taking the rest of your life so that you can have the rest of your life either use your va benifits, or shop canada.

before my surgery i was taking meds that would have been over $1,100 per month. va kept the cost at less then $100.

i have the va as an hmo, blue cross ppo as a back up. medicare doesn't have any prescription benifits nor does blue cross, except about a 10% reduction in med costs.

i'm not sure what we pay for medicare, i think about $60.00 each per month. the blue cross ppo costs us about $200.00 a month for both of us. that's almost $4,000 a year that i am lucky enough to afford to pay for medical insurance.
00camper Offline
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RICKAMAVEN,
Your question is "Why is the FDA against buying drugs from Canada?" and I supplied an answer. If you were to ask me whether I would buy medicines from Canada, the answer would be yes, if I needed to do so to save money. As a matter of fact I have advised my mother-in-law to do that very thing to save money on her prescriptions.

By the way, is it okay to simply call your RICK? While typing a person's entire name is the polite thing to do, yours is a little long and, being all in caps, more difficult.
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