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"Passion" Profits
Cavallo Offline
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just an article that i read in my local paper's online edition today (wilmington star news, wilmington, NC). thought i'd toss it out there for some lively debate. :)

"Passion" profits
What should Mel Gibson do with movie money?

By Amanda Greene
Staff Writer
[email protected]

Saying that Mel Gibson is making a profit from The Passion of the Christ would be an understatement.

After spending $25 million of his own money to make the film, Mr. Gibson has seen The Passion gross $264 million in the United States and Canada in its first three weeks in theaters. Industry executives estimate the movie will top $300 million before it leaves North American theaters. And it's slated to open in the United Kingdom on Friday.

In addition to the ticket sales, Passion-related paraphernalia, including pendants shaped like the nails used in the Crucifixion, is flying off Christian bookstore shelves across the nation.

Before the film opened Mr. Gibson told ABC News' Diane Sawyer that he believes he was meant to make the movie and that the Holy Ghost approved of his effort. Which gives rise to the question: What might the Holy Ghost want him to do with the proceeds?

It's been rumored that Mr. Gibson plans to

funnel the Passion profits into another religious film, possibly about the Maccabees and the Hanukkah story.

But Mr. Gibson hasn't made any public decisions about giving proceeds to charity, said Melany Ethridge, publicist for The Passion with A. Larry Ross Communications.

Nor does he have to, said Scott Hobbs, youth pastor at Maranatha Christian Fellowship.

"What Mr. Gibson does with his money is between him and the Lord," Mr. Hobbs said. "I think that's something he would have to pray about."

The Rev. Mike Queen, pastor at First Baptist Church of Wilmington, said Mr. Gibson shouldn't be held to a different standard than other Hollywood directors, just because he made a religious movie.

"My personal beliefs are that every person of faith has some obligation to support the mission and ministry of their church, and you hope there's some giving back but he's a business man who made a blockbuster movie," he said. "The idea that he made money on a movie that had a faith story . . . doesn't make him a bad person necessarily. But he took a risk; $25 million of his own money isn't pocket change."

Some religious scholars believe sharing the wealth is part of his moral responsibility as a man of faith.

"From a religious standpoint, if he does well he should give some back," said Darrell Bock, research professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. "From a business standpoint, people who do the work reap the rewards. The sense that I got was that he wasn't doing it for the money."

Ron Simkins, director of the Center for the Study of Religion and Society at Creighton University in Omaha N.E., Mel Gibson "should try to make money off his work, and is doing so quite well."

"The problem comes, of course, with how Gibson has pitched his movie by targeting churches in particular. This is where the targeted audiences should wake up and notice that they are being exploited and for Gibson's gain," he said in an e-mail interview. "The targeting of evangelical churches is especially ironic given Gibson's sectarian Catholic theology, which claims that those outside his traditional church are not saved. In other words, Gibson's marketing of his movie has undermined the religious motives he professes to have."

Some of the money coming from the film may be going to charity.

Bob Seimon Designs, the Southern California company now distributing official Passion memorabilia nationwide, is looking into donating some of the proceeds from its products to charity. The group is distributing thousands of special Passion movie crucifixes, pewter nail necklaces with Isaiah 53:5 inscribed on them and witness cards with movie photo on them, three scriptures and a prayer to help people inspired by the film's message to share it with his or her neighbor. To date, the company has distributed about 100,000 nail and crucifix necklaces and 1.5 million witness cards and lapel pins to stores and evangelical ministries nationwide.

In Wilmington, Salt Shaker Bookstore and Café, Cox Christian Book and Gift Store, Books-A-Million and Barnes & Noble Booksellers are just a few places you can find products promoting the movie.

The jewelry ranges from about $6.99 for a keychain to $16.99 for the nail pendant while the book generally sells for $24.99.

Dwight Robinson, marketing director for Bob Siemon Designs, said the company is looking for evangelical ministries to donate some of its Pass

ion proceeds to but hasn't made any decisions yet.

"We all feel really blessed to be a part of (this movie)," he said. "We want to give back to people using our products; people focused on getting the message behind the product conveyed."
bloody spaniard Offline
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I think that he ought to take 1% of 1% of the proceeds & do the Cavallo story.

Kinda like Rocky meets Pee Wee Herman.
:-O

blood
usahog Offline
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I wonder how much they made on the Lives the movie "Saved"???

Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Who cares what he does with his money.

Nobody took a chance with him and his project. He took the risks and should be rewarded.

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EI Offline
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How come nobody ever asks what Kerry is gonna do with his wives money?
I think he should make a movie about the history of ketchup and donate the proceeds to the fund against pickle abuse
Theres a lesbian referance in there somewhere
Have fun spreading the mustard
Ahhhhhh Condiments "gee I didn't know they came in flavors"
drnos Offline
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I thought I'd read that the main actors were in it for a percentage. I tried to Google "Caviezel" and profits but came up empty. Anyone else hear anything about this?
MACS Offline
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Wow. Touchy subject. IMHO he can do with his money as he chooses. He took the time to make the movie, he used his own money and he took a huge risk by having the language done in Aramaic, with subtitles.

I, as a Christian, would have to believe that God would approve of this film. It was historically and biblically accurate and the bible tells us that he WANTS us to spread his word. What better way to spread it to millions?
usahog Offline
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Caviezel... wasn't portraying a prophit.. he was Jesus in the Film, now Peter, John, Mark, Luck and Judis was all prophits....

Hog
usahog Offline
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Luke even
eleltea Offline
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What did they do with the profits from that other religious blockbuster, "The Matrix"? If you don't know and don't care, that's the right idea.
JonR Offline
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I think Mel should buy a box of ISOMs for all the workers and players on C-Bid and deliver each box wrapped in a 2004 corvette, JMHO. JonR
Lazygardner Offline
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This morning CNN reported that Gibson will $100 million to the Catholic church.
Cavallo Offline
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lazy: which one? the catholic church that exists or the one he belongs to that renounces vatican II?

i don't care what he does with his money, personally. i do have to admit that i twitch a little when folks talk about what a "martyr" he was to make this movie and pay for it himself. he money he's making on it is vastly more than his investment.

btw, the matrix and kerry et al -- making ketchup isn't saying "i know jesus and he says this." kerry's not pretending to be the great white hope for christianity either.

a business deal's a business deal. when you take a business deal and hold yourself up as the beacon of christianity (AND get it historically INaccurate as well), i think it does put a certain moral responsibility on your shoulders, though -- what that is, though, is between mel and god. 'taint my business to say. but making a blockbuster about blowing up cars and making a blockbuster that PURPORTS to be the true word of god is not quite the same.

the thing that gets me is about how much money is being made off of portraying the life of christ -- who was VERY anti-materialistic. he was enraged by people making money off of the sacred and chased folks out of the temple for doing so.

just kind of makes me wonder what christ thinks of mel selling "OFFICIAL" "jesus nail necklaces" at 18 bucks a pop.

"it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."
MACS Offline
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Mark chapter 10 verse 25. Well said Cavallo.
Lazygardner Offline
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cavallo, I've heard M. Gibson called a lot of things, but never a "martyr." Who are the folks you speak of who called him that? LG
Charlie Offline
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Mel Gibson put up the money and he should damn well do what he pleases with the profits! Are we going to go so "liberal" as tell someone what to do with their money made off of investments? I am sure there are enough slimeballs that would love to have the money donated to their charaties. Can you say Rainbow Coalition? One that comes to mind with both hands out and ready to fill his pockets!

Charlie
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Ecclesiastes 1:2
Cavallo Offline
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charlie: agreed, but jessie jackson isn't selling jesus.

so my question out of this story is this -- SHOULD there be a different standard for those who make money from the story of christ? or is jesus just another commodity to be bought and sold like any other business venture? or... ?
MACS Offline
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Here's my take: Saint Peter will be waiting at the pearly gates for Mel Gibson when he dies. At that point he will be judged worthy or not worthy based on his conduct while here. Who are we to judge him? He didn't break any of OUR laws. I try not to be the moral police. As Jesus told the mob who was about to stone Mary of Magdalene... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

I live in a glass house. It's better if I do not throw stones, although at times I do anyway...
Cavallo Offline
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lazygardner wrote: "cavallo, I've heard M. Gibson called a lot of things, but never a 'martyr.' Who are the folks you speak of who called him that?"

actually, the three times i've heard it were from folks who went to see the film before it was released -- presentations and screenings to church members where mel was present to talk about the movie afterwards.

they described him as being a martyr -- and they weren't being disingenious.

i'll sum up their comments: "that poor man. he's given so much of himself to get this movie made, and he's gotten nothing but grief about it."

they compared him to a modern day saint, a holy man, and one even called him a prophet. a 4th person said that he "is suffering just like jesus in a way." when i asked what he meant by that, he said, "he's doing this out of his own pocket and the kindness of his heart to spread the gospel, and people just want to crucify him."

when i asked where they got that idea, they said that when they went to the screenings the people talking about mel's "trials and tribulations" described him as such, holding him up as "this poor fella who just wants to tell the world about jesus and who is suffering so much because of it."

i was a little surprised to hear also of church groups taking up collections -- to give to mel to help "defray his costs" in making the movie. that's a nice gesture on the part of the church goers, but then that's something else the story brings up: ARE christians being exploited?

i think it's a question worth exploring. i do wonder why this was pitched so heavily to evangelistic denominations, when mel is a catholic and a vatican II rejector at that -- catholics like mel believe that if you're not part of THE holy apostolic catholic church, you ain't right with god. mel's church believes that the evangelicals are not "true" christians, in other words.
MACS Offline
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As I have said before... God knows the purity of Mel's heart. If he did this for genuine reasons of faith and spreading the word of God, then good on him. If he was motivated by profit, God knows this and he will be answering for it.
Cavallo Offline
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yeah, you're right on, shawn. as ms. billie holiday sang, "ain't nobody's business..." :)

sometimes i like to debate something like this -- the story in my local paper's what kicked it off; i was just thinking, "wonder what those cbid guys would say about this?" :)
Lazygardner Offline
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cavallo, your "martyr" reply smacks of Kerry's phantom foreign leaders ploy: we'll just have to take your word for it that they exist ;) When you quote someone to give your views credence, they should be verifiable.

And another thing: in your 3/17/03 1:11pm post you state that you "don't care what he does with his money, personally." Then you continue several paragraphs convincing me that you do, in fact, care- a lot.

In your 11/18/03 reply to MACS(SW) you quote Billie Holiday, "ain't nobody's business," having just written 8 paragraphs 30 minutes earlier making it your business. So which is it? Are you provocateur or casual observer?

Don't call me lazy.
MACS Offline
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I've come to find that this joint is a serious place to debate. I think our brother cavallo was just sparkin' another.
hoagie55 Offline
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Mel Gibson made the movie as an evangelical tool, not to make money. However; what he does with his money is his business. All he is mandated to do is tithe 10% back to the Lord, and this does not necesarily mean back to a church. This means towards somethihg designed to further the Kingdom of God, which could become another religious movie.

Do I think he exploited Christian Churches, no. I truly believe that he made the movie for the purpose stated above and has succeeded tremendously. I'm not sure if many of you are church goers, but this movie has sparked so much interest that there are now study guides produced to further explore the Passion. They do cost around $6.50, but that is very cheap compared to other small group study guides. Small study groups are popping up all over the United States specifically designed to take a deeper look into the movie, it's theme, and the passages in the Bible that it was derived from.

By the way, I disagree with you Cavello. Most of the film is biblically correct. There are a few parts of he movie that are inaccurrate such as Satan at his scourging and Mary seeing Satan, but the vast theme is right on. How do I know? I am married to a Pastor, and I would put her biblical knowledge up against anyone here on the board. I am also close friend swith numerous pastors of various faiths and all have agreed on this.

Matt

Cavallo Offline
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thanks, shawn, for giving me the benefit of the doubt. speaks very highly of your lack of being judgmental.

lazygardner: did i call you lazy? if so it was to shorten your handle, and no offense was meant.

sorry that i can't provide citations for you from conversations i've had. you're always free to believe anecdotal evidence. i offer it as such -- nothing more or less -- in answer to your direct question to me on where i'd heard him spoken of as a "martyr."

you know, i wish that life was so black and white, but it's not. what i had was an opinion reached by PROCESS. and that process went like this:

1. read the article in the local paper, and it piqued my interest. the REPORTER was the one taking the rather accusatory stance -- don't shoot the messenger. :) in all honesty, i was curious about what OTHERS made of this article -- pro OR con -- and that's the sole reason i had for posting it. well, that and i did think that it would bring out interesting thoughts from a group of folks whose opinions i tend to enjoy reading.

2. i thought that the points raised in the article were valid questions -- especially after talking to evangelical christians who cannot seem to spend enough money on mr. gibson's product, be it movie tickets, "official TPOTC" jesus nail necklaces, t-shirts, etc. these are not wealthy people, either, but they were TOUCHED BY MEL GIBSON'S PERSONAL PRESENTATION, and they do not feel exploited; they want to "help that poor man who gave his all" to make the movie.

i feel bad for such folks who send money to televangelists, too, and that's kind of the mindset i was developing about this -- it could be construed as being just like the televangelism "racket."

3. i felt a good dose of (self)righteous indignation at the thought of this multimillionaire just raking in the moolah by selling jesus. not "spreading the gospel" but literally SELLING JESUS.

4. i wondered what message all of the "official TPOTC" MERCHANDISE was sending out -- about the messiah, who was absolutely NOT a proponent of materialism by any stretch of the imagination.

5. after getting over my (self)righteous indignation, i realized that i was getting into a judgmental mindset -- and that is likewise not a christian attribute and is something i work to avoid. alas, sometimes i can only say "it's not for me to say" after i realize that i AM judging when it's NOT my place to do so.

so, yes, there was a "phase" if you will where i got into a judgmental place. i believe it was shawn's post that reminded me, though, that the whole thing is between mel and god, not between me and mel and god.

if you'd like me to confess my sin, then there you go. :)

hoagie, no disrespect to your wife, but i would be happy to debate her or any other pastor. i'm confident that the playing field would be level all around.
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Cavallo- "charlie: agreed, but jessie jackson isn't selling jesus."

And that will also be between the Reverend Jackson and God!

MACS(SW)- "I've come to find that this joint is a serious place to debate. I think our brother cavallo was just sparkin' another."

Senior, I told you the Misc board was were to have serious fun!




Cavallo Offline
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Cdub: DOH! now i've gotta have another sinful moment and cut loose with a judgmental indulgence and say that i don't think the word "reverend" ever did SOOOO not belong before a man's name as with jesse jackson. :P

*ponders* now was that a SIN sin, or was that just a snarky comment? *contemplates*
MACS Offline
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It doesn't belong in front of Al Sharpton either. Both of those guys are jacka$$es. They need to talk to their brother from Oklahoma J.C. Watts. Now THAT is a man who calls it like he sees it.
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Cavallo, how much "exactly" and to which charities do you give? And why? Hummm? Oh sorry? Is that a personal question? Ahhh, so then, you get my point... See I didn't even have to make it, I just had to ask a question.
Cavallo Offline
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robby: i've confessed my sin, brother. care to forgive me or pass on that?

but for your information, i see no harm in asking the question. right now i give $3 a month (10% of my income at the moment) to Good Shepherd ministries -- a non-denom soup kitchen kind of deal here.

i get an allowance from our household budget of $30 per month -- for six months prior to that it was $0.00, but we've slimmed down our expenses so that my wife and i each get an "allowance" for personal expenses -- that includes cigars, postage to send them to others, and any bandages or extra meds i might need (regular meds are in the household budget, and that's an out of pocket expense of around $600/mo).

when social security is done playing red tape (it's been 1 year and 3 months now), i will most certainly be raising that amount proportional to the $804 i hope to get monthly. at that time, i will look for other local charities to support. right now my measly $3 doesn't mean much, but the folks at Good Shepherd are glad to take in any amount.

if you want to go back to when i was working, i'll be glad to dig out the tax forms and provide a list for you, but for now i'll stick with the present.

Robby Offline
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heh, that's pretty decent of you, I didn't really expect a list. But you got my point, as I read further down the thread, I saw your points as well. I'm getting ready to start paying child support for the next 17 years... 2,000+ a month... That's my "charity" and they're well compensated.
Cavallo Offline
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p.s. -- robby, i didn't ask how much mel gibson gave to charity. i posted an article that asked the question about making huge profits from a movie about jesus christ.

aside from the movie, mr. gibson is making money selling replica "fashion accessories" of the nails that crucified christ -- for around $18 per "fashion accessory."

i WILL firmly state that i am SICKENED by that -- but it has NOTHING to do with what gibson does or doesn't do with his money or how much he makes from the movie itself.

i AM disturbed that a multi-millionaire (or anyone for that matter) would be marketing "official TPOTC jesus nail necklaces," though, and i do not see it as a sin for someone to be angry about that -- i take the example for that anger from christ.

i did admit that it was sinful of me to nose around in what gibson does with his film profits -- as shawn pointed out (and rightly so) that's between gibson and god. i agree, and i confessed to my sin and have since put gibson's profits and/or what he does with them out of my mind.
Cavallo Offline
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$2k a month? okay, we could start a whole 'nother thread right now about that. :P are you a member of any men's rights groups, btw?
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