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bloody spaniard Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 7:59 AM EST
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Why do we LOVE the muslims one minute and HATE them the next?

In WWII (Rick's war), the Serbian people bravely protected many a fallen American airman from the nazis. We recently repaid this kindness by bombing their infrastructure & killing innocent Sebian Christians. All this to meddle in their civil war and "protect" Albanian muslims who had been SQUATTING on Serbian soil (mostly Bosnia) for generations, and who now claim it for their own.

These same grateful muslims, in turn, repay us by sending militias into Iraq to kill our brave soldiers. Isn't this ironic? They hate us more than they hate each other. A further irony is that many of the same Americans who were eager to bomb the Serbs now want to bomb muslims.

What's going to happen when the Mexicans "reclaim" Kalifornia & most of the Southwest? They'll surely want autonomy some day (see La Mecha).

What will we do if the Chinese become technologically superior to us in 25- 40 years? Then, they threaten to bomb us into submission in order to "protect" the latinos who want their "independence"? After all, won't they have squatter rights like the muslim Bosnians?

I guess we'll have come full circle and learned our lesson the hard way.

blood

PS: Oh yeah, Buddha, hope to hear from you too...
JonR Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 9:11 AM EST
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Yo bloody spaniard: A wise man once said to me ..." Never tell your best friend what you don't want your worst enemy to know, because one day your best friend might become your worst enemy ". The USAs best allies today might become their worst enemy tomorrow and visa - versa (sp?). JonR
bloody spaniard Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 10:45 AM EST
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Sage wisdom, my friend but explain...

Does that apply to China? I don't consider them "best friends".

blood
JonR Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 12:35 PM EST
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Rome was a super power, Germany was a super power, USSR was a super power, etc etc, they are no longer super powers. Everything changes nothing stays the same. USA is a super power, makes you wonder when our time will come. JonR
jackconrad Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 2:01 PM EST
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Al Quieda will never be our best freind. As i always say when people laern about freedom they change for the better and that is what we are trying to establish in Iraq. when that cathes on {and it will] the whole mid east will change for the better. Thats was has that Spoiled assd Born Billionare Brat Bin Laden so up in arms he sees the jigg is just about up ..they all no its just about end game and are doig all they can too stay kings and queens and dictators. Screw em all. Don't side with weakling cowards !!!!! Win the WAR WITH WILLPOWER. God Bless America,Fly your flags. Salute Your troops,Respect your leaders and your fellow freedom lovers !!!!!!! We Will Winn !!!!
JonR Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Mar 20 2004, 4:10 PM EST
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Yo Jack:..." Al Quieda will never be our best freind ". Hmmmm didn't we say that about Russia ? JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 12:29 AM EST
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bloody spaniard

very cute thread subject. are you employing tactics you have learned here from someone, or releasing dormant demons that have been waiting to get out?

WWII ended aug 14th 1945, the eve of my bar mitzvah0.
i was in the service during the korean conflict.

have you read "the art of war" by sun tzu, edited by james clavell. you can buy a copy at half.com for under ten bucks. sun tzu is considered the best war planner and general of all time.

bloody spaniard Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 3:01 AM EST
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I learn from the best.

My 2nd guess was going to be WWI.

Just curious as to what two opposing mind sets thought of the TOPIC at hand.

I guess I'll never know...

blood

DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 4:27 AM EST
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"Yo Jack:..." Al Quieda will never be our best freind ". Hmmmm didn't we say that about Russia ? JonR"

Jon...our "friend" left us without on the floor of the UN. There was no friendship. Make no bones about them...nothing has changed, except they now have more votes in the UN then they did with the 1 USSR vote. They're still the same. They politically manuevered with the French and Germans to hide their backroom deals and blatent "oil for food" scam. Their not anybody's friend!

China could act like a friend and step up to the plate and effectively deal with the N.Korean debacle, but they're not going to do that. They too have cut backroom deals and are enjoying having their cake(overbloated trade deficeits with the US)and eating(selling N. Korea military secrets) it too!

Neither one can be trusted to ever become a "superpower" again. They've proven over time to only be self-serving and dominating. They will wipe their feet off on anybody's back and will close their doors faster than anyone can blink. That's not friendship.

My Drill Instructor used to shout at us on the target range..."Kill a commie for mommy"! He was right.
Cavallo Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 5:06 AM EST
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blood:

whatever does or doesn't become of this thread, you've introduced me to a) a new way of thinking about bosnia/serbia and b) a curiosity about the same.

at the time when this was "hot" i had a million other things going on in my life -- a tumultuous time of upheaval in my own life, so i never did "get" what was going on over there. i saw in mpls. a photo exhibit about it, and that's as close to catching up with the "news" that i got. to this day, i know that there were two sides, concentration camps, rapes and a lot of ugliness -- and i'm STILL not sure which side is which, who were the "good" and "bad" guys, etc.

time to do some learning i suppose.

also, i appreciate your analogy of the US and mexico -- i'm sure that, too, will make more sense to me as i head off to learn about the serb/bos situation. just wanted to say that it's an excellent teaching tool, to use an analogy "close to home" to make sense of something far away and distant. i'll be looking into this.
Buddha Daddy Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 5:52 AM EST
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Blood, why in the hell would you want my opinion?
bloody spaniard Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 9:42 AM EST
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Buddha, because you're smart AND a good sport... How's that?

Tony, I was curious to see if there was a common "thread" between Rick & Jon. Silly me.

blood

bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 9:48 AM EST
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..."Kill a commie for mommy"!

PS: DrM, Johnny Ramone loved that slogan & had it put on a t-shirt. Amazing that one of the founding fathers of the punk rock scene in Nueva York was also a Reaganite!

blood
jackconrad Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 10:20 AM EST
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Sorry if i sounded if i was attacking your way blood ,you now I just love my country. It' not personal. Actually I believe China is the real Lurking enemy. Kinda sittin back letttin us all wear each other out to some degree.. They wont have to attack with weapons just economic might. Do you all no how much is produced by China ;things we are not bothering wih anymore. I urge all to Buy American I always do when i can Except c gars but buying from freindly allies is ok .
bloody spaniard Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 10:44 AM EST
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Didn't take offense at all, Jack. There are a lot of Spaniards that need a whippin'.

Actually, I was born in Madrid but I'm a 3rd generation American. Mostly **** with a little wop and Portuguese thrown in.

The pc police can kiss my white spanish ass.

blood
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 12:01 PM EST
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bloody spaniard

please explain how you are a third generation american and were born in madrid.

have i sent you any manolete tapes?
bloody spaniard Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 12:16 PM EST
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You really want to know, Rick? You know how long-winded I can get. Maybe I should e-mail you instead.

Wasn't Manolete the famous Spanish bullfighter? You have videos of him?! Or is it a video of a crooked-fingered torceador making Manolete cigars?

blood

PS: You are an expert at changing the subject. What's your take on the TOPIC?
bloody spaniard Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 12:45 PM EST
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One more thing...

Tony, I don't think that there was really a good side or bad. Both committed atrocities. However, it was the Serb's land NOT the Albanian's.

Our "even-handed" media decided to take the side of the muslims. We were assaulted nightly with horror stories about the evil Serbs. Pictures of beautiful little blond, blue-eyed, muslim children were constantly displayed. Did you notice how the Serbs were usually portrayed as dark, unshaven, military brutes with blind allegiance to an ex-communist? Our media could teach Goebbels a thing or two.


I could go on and on but this is a cigar site...
We have to share horror stories about beetles, and unraveled wrappers.....Oh, the horror!

blood
JonR Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Mar 21 2004, 1:00 PM EST
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Yo Blood: When your right your right. Three weeks ago I found a 3/16 of an inch crack on the foot of one of my cigars, oh the agony the A G O N Y ! However my therapist says I should be okay in about nine more sessions. LOL JonR
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