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WHY I ABHOR little w
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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without discussing his politics, period.

without discussing the merits of capital punishment, period.

several years ago,in texas, a woman was to be executed for murder. she had, at least on the surface, found god and pleaded with little w, "please don't kill me governer bussh." he was heard to mock the woman, mimicking her voice with "please don't kill me governer bush."

last week at a speech, he was seen to mock wmd. are they here, no. are they under here, no. this after 500+ of our troops have been killed.

i mentioned once before, that as a child he would explode frogs withe firecrackers, and was poo pooed by some on this board.

this quasi man has no sense of decency. what he finds amusing is not unlike a high school bully. if he were not considered president and was just hanging around with the guys, who would find him funny? perhaps a few drunken buddies, certainly no one with any sense of decency that was not part of his group at the bar.

whether you are for or against capital punishment or for or against the war in iraq, certainly a person about to be executed or the death of 500+ troops is not a joke.
MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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Why I LOVE President Bush and am happy that he is my Commander in Chief:

See above post^.

:-)

You need a person in the white house that ain't afraid to kick ass and take names. Names optional. Rick-- you can hate him if you want, but it's men like him that keep this country speaking english.

If the woman was on death row, she deserved to die. If she truly "found Jesus" before she died, then she wouldn't have been afraid to die.

My $.02
bloody spaniard Offline
#3 Posted:
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Shawn, your comment on the muderess was right on.

Rick, I was going to buttress your post because some of it has merit but considering the ugly alternative, I'm not going to give fodder to the enemy.

blood

PS: Besides, I'm leaning towards Dubya since he sent me a photographed picture of him & Laura thanking me for my past support. I'm so shallow, aren't I?

PPS: Guess my being a founding member of "The Friends of Dan Quayle Club" is paying off...
pabloescabar Offline
#4 Posted:
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quayle, thems birds right?
bloody spaniard Offline
#5 Posted:
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Better than that ostrich on the Democrat's side.

Pablo, you're gonna have to tell me more about yourself one of these days. Are you a latino, do you live in Hawaii, how long smokin' ceegars, do you own a dictionary? Sorry, just had to get that one in.

Please excuse the interruption, Rick, but I am curious about the man known as Pabloescabar.

blood

CanyonDVM Offline
#6 Posted:
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As far as the murderess goes, being forgiven in no way implies that you don't have to face the consequences of your actions. It merely means that after the consequences are carried out you get to go to a better place.
CanyonDVM Offline
#7 Posted:
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Having spent 4 years on a fast attack submarine during the height of the cold war I have seen people joking during the most dire situations. If you're busy sweating, whinning or crying you can't do your job. That significantly increases your chances of you, and all your buddies, dying. Also looking under his desk for WMD's is poking fun at himself, not the troops. I have a son in the Navy, he was in the Persian Gulf on 9/11, a good friend in Tikrit and several kids I lead in Cub Scouts in the Marines in Iraq and Afganastan right now. If I thought Bush was laughing at the troops I'd be the first push for impeachment!!!!!
usahog Offline
#8 Posted:
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Rick, Macs is Right on with what he said!!!!!!

That Woman and CBN, Pat Robertson and Club did their best to try and have Bush give this woman a "Stay" but in all she was convicted and guilty under the laws of the State, and Federal Constitution... here on earth her crimes were forgiven when her sentence was carried out... now in Heaven (if she truely found God) she will either be forgiven or she will Not... Only God knows...

Now about the Military loss's since the War on Terror began this was not Bush's doing this was something in the works way before Bush took Office... all you can rebuttle is how many we have lost in Iraq... We have lost many a military members in Afganistan, Somolia,Sudan,Egypt, New York, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, should I/Need I go on??? Did you happen to catch my post on the Pirates over 200 yrs ago??

I have another story I will share with all.. another thread....

Hog
jackconrad Offline
#9 Posted:
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rick your obvious predjudice against republicans is niether refreshing or enjoyable. Your bantereing would be suited better to the WWF. I hope you learn to be more openminded in the future.
smelly4tay Offline
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I have said this before, and I will continue to say it:


...A President should command attention. When he speaks, and when 10 channels have his mug up-close-and-personal for the country to see....He better make me stop what I am doing, and sit down-to-watch. Clinton had it before he had to waste his time answering blow-job questions....but Bush DOESN'T have it. How can one individual have so much power, and not command attention.

Bush has the stature of a goat.
McCain has the stature of a glass-eatin MF'er.

...Please explain why

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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you have all missed the point.

you have interpeted everything i said that was neutral into what you wanted to read.

i said nothing about the merits or demerits of capital punishment.

MACS(SW)"If the woman was on death row, she deserved to die. If she truly "found Jesus" before she died, then she wouldn't have been afraid to die."

bloody spaniard "Shawn, your comment on the muderess was right on."

CanyonDVM "being forgiven in no way implies that you don't have to face the consequences of your actions."

usahog "Rick, Macs is Right on with what he said!!!!!!"

jackconrad

now if someone will point out where i said she should
be executed or not executed, your posts will follow the thread and not divert it to something else.

my thread was not about this woman or wmd, it was about the insensitivity, the child like sense of humor, and the lack of respect for the lives of people.

i see no rebutal to my thread, but some blatherings about capital punishment and a thought litle w was making fun of himself, not the soldiers who were killed because of his obsession with war.

lincoln was wrong.






jackconrad Offline
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but is condolezza rice an alien ?
MACS Offline
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canyondmv had the rebuttal right on -- gw wasn't being insensitive, he was trivializing, which is sometimes necessary in order to handle things emotionally.

I walked into a room to see three dead people with half their heads blown off. In order to keep from losing my chow, I made a joke. My fellow patrolmen laughed instead of puking or crying. Some people handle things differently. Maybe joking about it is how he is able to sleep at night.
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Rick,

I definitely am not a fan of GWB. I agree with you regarding making fun of the woman on death row. Definitely insensitive to the life and death situation. The incident regarding WMD does not bother me in the least. He took a very active POLITICAL issue regarding the reasons for going to war and made fun of himself. I do not feel that he was trivializing a life and death situation but making fun of himself using a hot topic.
JonR Offline
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Yo Rick: If you hate GW for blowing up a frog, you must really hate the french. They not only KILL frogs but they also EAT their legs, eeewww..shudder..gasp. As far as that murderess bitch ( did she give her victim a chance to find God ) here's to her..Ding Dong the Bitch is Dead, which old Bitch, the Evil Bitch, Ding Dong the Evil Bitch is DEAD. "School yard bully " is that why you hate President Bush so much, did a school yard bully named Bush give you a wedgy or pull your pants down in front of the girls, huh huh. JonR
pabloescabar Offline
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Jonr, What! huh? cool. got to love the smash mouth acktion,
that ones for you blood.

only the love I have for my BOTL&SOLT is latino BOO...
BASOTL
bloody spaniard Offline
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Pablo, you're gonna have to tell me more about yourself one of these days. Are you a latino, do you live in Hawaii, how long smokin' ceegars, do you own a dictionary? Sorry, just had to get that one in.

Please excuse the interruption (again!), Rick, but I am curious about the man known as Pabloescabar.



Fire away Mr. Pablo.

blood
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bloody spaniard

i am also interested in the life and times of pabloescobar moskowitz. he is obviously a spanish jew.
bloody spaniard Offline
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You kill me, Rick.




No, you REALLY kill me. ;-)

blood
Cavallo Offline
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shawn, i know the "gallows humor" you're talking about -- it's necessary, abusolutely.

but look at it this way -- you wouldn't have made a joke if those people's FAMILY had been there. it's a case of there's a time and a place.

i don't know what wmd thing y'all are talking about -- i didn't see it. but it SEEMS that rick took that as basically making a "gallows humor" comment in front of the family (or families of dead soldiers in this case).

and if that's what happened, then i'd be horrified as well. if that's what bush was doing, he deserves to be impeached.

but it looks as though there are other ways to interpret whatever it was that he did.

that said, WHAT DID HE DO? when/where did he do it?
bloody spaniard Offline
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Don Cavallo, I saw bits 'n pieces of the dinner act with "Sheky Dubya" and thought it was in bad taste overall. Not impeachable but just silly & unpresidential-like. He stupidly gave plenty of ammo to his enemies.

Stupid references to his Secretary of State, Rumsfeld, who graciously pretended not to have heard the joke.

Inane suggestions that he's henpecked by mom.

And inappropriate comments abou weapons of mass destruction, etc.

Look, I make a lot of silly poo-poo jokes, etc. but I'm not the President. This guy should really save his "funny" comments for his fellow elitist Yale frat brothers OR just SHUT UP!

I'm still gonna probably vote for him, in part because his Democratic counterpart is just as elitist but lacks ANY self-deprecating humor.

Kerry is a deceitful Yalie who has bad ideas & takes himself way too seriously.

Yeah Rick, I broke down but Dubya is better than nothing... And Kerry is nothing.

blood

Robby Offline
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MAVEN, go pound sand up your ass.
Robby Offline
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Sorry, that wasn't meant as an insult, I'm sure you would enjoy it. I have your best interests at heart.
MACS Offline
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Wow robby!! That was a little over the top. Rick is rick (i've learned this already?) but telling him to pack sand up his butt was just juvenile.
Robby Offline
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It's ok, he'll enjoy it. He's in to that sort of thing so it's alright. I really meant no disrespect. If you knew Rick, I mean REALLY knew Rick, you'd understand. He's in to it. It's ok.
Robby Offline
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And besides, if you don't like it, you know what you can do... :-)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Robby

the last time i had sand up my ass was in 1940, when i was 8 years old and lived in coney island. i also had a nathan's from the original store, some cross cut fries, and an egg cream.

what is an egg cream and why do they call it that. it has no egg and it has no cream, but any new yorker knows what it is. used to get a charlotte russe for a nickle.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bloody spaniard

"And Kerry is nothing"

i agree, but their is no chicken or mongoose on the ballot to vote for, so i have to waste my vote on kerry.
pabloescabar Offline
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Hey Maven, if yous going to waste your vote waste it on the green party candidate.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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pabloescabar

what is with the "yous."

is that a jewish word?
pabloescabar Offline
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kinda reminds you of the old country eh?

neva mind just vote green party not kerry thats all, send a true mesage to the world. green green green...
00camper Offline
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If I understand the original post, your dislike of Dubya stems from
[1] something he did a child, that almost every child has done in some form or fashion,
[2] something he did as Governor of Texas which does not impact the Presidency,
[3] something he did as President that, by all accounts, was intended to be a joke about himself.

Such logic is beyond me. It's like saying "I hated Ike because he liked to play golf. Golf isn't a real man's sport, so Ike couldn't have been much of a man."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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00camper

1. once as a child, i took a pigeon out of the air with a bow and arrow. i was about 15, and as any hunter can tell you that is quite a feat. when i thought about it, and if i think about it now, i am ashamed of myself.

2. it's his "mind" set, his lack of decency and respect for the lives of others, does impact his current reign.

3. do you find it amusing to see a cerebral palsey victim try to walk? do you imitate him or her and laugh at your joke?

who said ike was not a man?

he had his female driver as his companion, so he was getting his ashes hauled while serving as the commanding general. hmmmm, he was committing adultry and clinton was getting a BJ, both while serving their country. must be the privileges of rank.

he warned us about the military industrial complex.

except for when he was president, he never made a lot of money. how did he have a $5,000,000.00 estate when he died? maybe he had "a little tin box."

i like to read your rebutals. they are always polite and show some thinking, noticeably missing from some other posters who make four right turns instead of one left turn to get where they are going.

if kerry gets in, all freeway exits will exit to the left instead of the right. that will creat jobs and improve our infrastructer.

as an aside, a bit of trivia.

a congressman who moved to this country from either cuba or puerta rico, became a citizen, drove a taxi, and eventually won a seat in congress. great americn success story.

he introduced legislation that would eliminate the preferred parking for congressmen and woman, and senators. he felt it was an abuse of power. he said he was called to task by his own party leaders who told him not to f*** with their privileges.

he served one term and was defeated in the next election. coincidence?
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted:
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Rick, you claim to hate our President because of his insensitivity and misguided attempt at humor?

Does this reflect a sense of self loathing? It should.

Go back and view your picture posts regarding Bush as Hitler. Or using the tragic loss of lives in the WTC as a background for yet another "humorous attack" on the President.

Perhaps you do abhor Bush.
But it may be for reasons that go deeper than you care to admit.

Or, more likely, it's a much more shallow reason and you are simply trying to justify it.

I vote for B. You're too likable to hate yourself.
pabloescabar Offline
#35 Posted:
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Mr. Gater is right, a little deeper than you care to admit.
RDC Offline
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Rick, seek help now. Smoke more cigars, whatever it takes. Your skewed emotions are running your life.

Main Entry: ab·hor
Pronunciation: &b-'hor, ab-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): ab·horred; ab·hor·ring
Etymology: Middle English abhorren, from Latin abhorrEre, from ab- + horrEre to shudder -- more at HORROR
: to regard with extreme repugnance : LOATHE
synonym see HATE
- ab·hor·rer /-'hor-&r/ noun
penzt8 Offline
#37 Posted:
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Rick, I say if you can't laugh at the handicapped, who can you laugh at. I find humor in most everything.
00camper Offline
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Rick,
You miss the point of my post. Let me elaborate.

By all accounts your hatred of Dubya, and your desire to see him ousted from office, stem not from his politics but his personality.

On the local level that would be akin to saying you hate the mayor and he should be removed from office because he wears stripes and plaids together to council meetings.

At the state level that would be akin to saying you hate the governor and that he should be removed from office because his voice is too nasal and he isn't a very good orator.

At the national level that would be akin to saying you hated Eisenhower and that he should have been removed from office because he liked to play golf.

My point is that the Clinton defenders on the left constantly complained that his past behavior as a sexual predator and drug user - public displays of his personality traits - did not affect his ability to lead the country, that his past had no bearing on the present or the future.

Today, the Dubya haters on the left want to say that personality traits do matter and that past performance does have some bearing on the future.

You can't have it both ways.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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RDC

loath. damn, i wish i had thought of that word.

it feels good and hardy during the pronunciation, especially the "th" part.

loath starts with a subtle "lo" like "lo the gentle lark", sung so beautifully by galli-curci, and ends with the thunderous "sorcerer's apprentice.". (i wish i could remember if the . goes before the "

RDC you just triggered two beautiful moments hidden on the hard drive of my brain. thanks

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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penzt8

you must not have seen the sopranos last night.
JonR Offline
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Yo Rick: I feel it's time to run your system tools and clean that old hard drive of your mind, perhaps even replace it with a larger hard drive to allow more room to elevate your thinking process. JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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00ca

if you can cut my special name in half, i guess i can cut yours also, unless of course i knew your name robert or sam or ...

"by all accounts" no, no, no, i mearly point out his background in an attempt to explain to myself and others why he acts the way he does. his politics are the real problem. if he likes to kick dogs, he doesn't get invited into my house and if i don't agree with his politics, he does not get invited to be president as the real results of his last run for office proved. more of the country got off their ass's and voted against him, not for him.

"on the local" i am not offended by clothing styles.

"at the state level" that's not very nice of you to talk about our new gov. you are looking to get gropped.

"At the national level" "i like ike" i thought he was a decent man and i even wore a jacket like his.
i don't follow your leap from bush to ike.

"My point is" drug user? certainly you don't compare clinton smoking grass with little w's abuse of alcohol and coke.

"You can't have it both ways" yes we can.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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yo JonR

forget about us for a moment.

if you had to guess, how many gig's would you guess the brain capacity of most humans would be.
Leon Offline
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This is the first time I have responded to any post, but I have for many months read everyones opinions. I have no love loss for a man who was appionted and not elected as President of this wonderful country, but my son a ten year veteran of the military was killed in this pre emptive war and to watch this "War President" joke of the reasons he has sent our sons and daughters to die for oil and not fight the war on terrorism brings me to tears. I am a twenty year military veteran and I am looking forward to the day we have an elected President who will lead this country and use force only as the last option and not as a wild cowboy. Some of the last letters I received from my son stated that they were witnessing the increase in terrorists and not the decrease as a result of this war, so I ask you are you willing to lose a son or daughter and then joke about it?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Leon

i am so sorry for the loss of your son.
dbguru Offline
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Leon,
Your loss saddens me deeply and you have my deepest sympathies. Your post is so much appreciated and I encourage you to continue to express yourself here on this board.

The political strategy of the current administration and the right wing press supporting it tries to deny the American paople real thinking and deliberation of the policies, events, actions and consequences of the administration's actions by clouding us with character assasinations, half-truths and false accusation. Many of our friends here on this board are unfortunately programmed in the support and execution of these same character assasinations, half-truths and false accusations as well. I wonder how they truly feel about your feelings about this loss.

Anyway if you get around to reading this response, email me sometime... I'd like to send you a few cigars for having to courage to speak out.

DB
mlkearns at yahoo dot com
Cavallo Offline
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leon: my condolences as well. i don't have kids and can't even imagine what it would be like to lose a son. i also, humbly, thank you for your service and his as well. god bless.

you know, i don't get the comparisons being made. clinton a drug user? how about the bushels of cocaine dubya "inhaled." there are some in the addictions field who have been very vocal in their opinion that bush is acting as a "dry drunk" -- meaning he is clean, but not sober. addictions often are not done away with as much as transferred to something else -- power, religion, you name it. if i can find one of the articles written about that i'll post it. i don't know that i personally buy it, but it is an interesting read.

i DO agree with rick in that there is a PROFOUND difference between the "sin" of blowing up frogs and that of wearing striped pants!

even if i hated striped pants, i wouldn't denigrate someone for wearing them -- i would, on the other hand, be concerned about someone who could torture frogs and apparently have no remorse.

i still haven't seen the joke thing talked about here, but if our president was making a JOKE about the search for WMD's, i would indeed consider that to be very much below the position he currently occupies as president -- especially since it is his insistence upon their existance that has been a driving force in this war -- real people are fighting and dying in this war. yes, that is imo a HIGHLY inappropriate thing to joke about in light of those who have died as a result of this issue.

i fully support the men and women out there fighting this war, and i encourage everyone, regardless of their political leanings, to do the same. i would think that we could and should at LEAST the same respect from the man who essentially sent them there.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Cavallo

did you get my email today?
Cavallo Offline
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rick -- was stuck in bed most of today. headed to email now...
00camper Offline
#50 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN,
I'm sorry for abbreviating your name. I did so to make typing easier. I will spell it out from now on.

dbguru and Cavllo, I'm truly surprised that you really don't get my point. The point isn't a comparison between drug use and lack of fashion sense.

RICKAMAVEN states at the beginning of this thread three of the reasons he abhors Dubya. Each of the three reasons is an outward manifestation of a personality trait.

I tried to put RICKAMAVEN's loathing of Dubya, because of his personality, into context by making some exaggerated comparisons using fashion, speaking ability and sports. This has nothing to do with making fun of someone because they wear mismatched clothes or have a speech disorder.

I then went on to compare the Clinton defenders to the Bush haters.

Whenever someone would make the statement "character does matter" the Clinton defenders would shout "does not" and go on to claim that a person can be a good leader while soliciting oral sex from interns.

Whenever someone would make the statement "the past does matter" the Clinton defenders would shout "does not" and go on to claim that what's done is done and that Clinton's past misdeeds had no bearing on the man he had become.

So, now I pose the question: If it was okay for the Clinton defenders to say that the past didn't matter and that personality didn't matter then, why is it okay for the Bush haters to suddenly decide that those things are vitally important and that Dubya is suddenly unfit for the job of President?

My point is a rebuttal to RICKAMAVEN's logic. RICKAMAVEN abhors (loathes, hates) Dubya because his personality has serious flaws. My point is that the Clinton defenders said that the flaws are not relevant. If the flaws weren't relevant for Clinton twelve years ago then they're not relavent for Dubya today and they have no bearing on the man he has become.
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