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Heinz Factories Overseas (Kerrys wife)
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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Mar 27 2004, 9:35 PM EST
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HEINZ FACTORIES OVERSEAS

Subject: LOST JOBS
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:10:25 EST

Kerry does not like off shore companies: Oh Really?

Just came across a bit of information regarding Kerry and his claim of the Bush administration sending jobs
abroad. Well, it seems that the Heinz Corporation, owned by Kerry's wife, has 79 plants where it manufacturers products and 57 of the 79 are located in countries outside of the U.S. How many U.S. jobs are lost here?
Factories located at: Taipei,Taiwan (makes Heinz baby
foods) Dublin,Ireland; Paris,France; Dovarmenez, France; Lisbon, Portugal; Madrid,Spain; Milan,Italy; Monguzzo,Italy; Athens,Greece; Warsaw,Poland; Pudliszki,Poland; Wodzislaw,Poland; Miedzychod,Poland; Moscow,Russia; Georgievisk,Russia; Cairo,Egypt; Tel Aviv,Israel; Haifa,Israel; Elst,The Netherlands and 6 other plants there; Brussels,Belgium; Dusseldorf,Germany; Seesen,Germany; Turnhout,Belgium; Rovereto,Italy; Chateaurenand,France; North York,Ontario,Canada; Wheatley,Ontario,Canada; Caracas,Venezuela; San Jose,Costa Rica; Johannesburg,South Africa; Gaborone,Botswana; Harare,Zimbabwe; heguta,Zimbabwe; Wellington,South Africa; elbourne,Victoria,Australia; Republic of Singapore; Auckland,New Zealand; Tokyo,Japan; Guangzhov,People's Republic of China (makes infant cereal); Qingdao, People's Republic of China (makes infant foods, ketchup,mayonnaise & puree); Inchon, South Korea (makes Heinz products and StarKist); Bangkok,Thailand; Mumbai,India; Jakarta,Indonesia; Surabaya,Indonesia; Manila, Philippines; Wanchai,Hong Kong.
Also recently purchased from Bordens these products: Classico Pasta Sauce; Aunt Millies Pasta Sauce; Mrs. Grass Receipt Soups; Wylers Bouillons & Soups.


Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns business interests in all of these countries and others.
pabloescabar Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Mar 27 2004, 10:34 PM EST
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I think its just like the clintons, we know who wheres the pants in the family.
penzt8 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 1:02 PM EST
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I think the issue of the overseas Heinz plants is overblown. Look at a company like Nestle. They began in Europe and have plants around the world. It has more to do with logistics and controlling costs than it does job loss. American jobs aren't being lost because Heinz has plants all over the world. Heinz is just getting richer because they are competing in markets around the world that they could never compete in if their products were being manufactured in the US and shipped abroad. The products that Heinz produces overseas stay overseas.

In contrast, American car manufacturers have sent thousands of jobs to Mexico. The cars and components are being manufactured there and being sold here. The profits are going to the shareholders. I have some difficulty with this whole issue of manufacturing jobs being exported.

But I think the blame is mostly on the US worker and specifically on the unions. What does an average union plantworker earn an hour to assemble cars in the US? What are the skills that are needed and how long does it take to train someone to do that job? Are they in line? I don't think so.
penzt8 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 1:12 PM EST
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and the national average for automotive retail salestaff is $18 and hour. That's way out of line with the training and skills that are required.

Kinda like the real estate business. Pay someone 6% of the value of the house for a couple hours of work. What a scam. There are too many exmples of jobs in this country where the employee is far over paid based on the actual skills and education that it takes to perform the task.
ts Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 3:41 PM EST
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I was raised in Lake Orion Michigan. When I visit, I am often surprised at the amount of money my friends have from working on the GM line. They ahve $350k houses on the lake, boats, cars, jet skiis, etc. They take an annual cruise and have plenty of vacation time. Their health insurance is excellent. My wife and I both worked hard to earn our masters degrees. She teaches special ed and I am a hospital administrator. Every time I look at new car prices I'm reminded of the power of the auto unions.
As for the 6% the realator gets. I have mixed feelings. My brother sells homes and, of course, has a different opinion. He has countless stories of failed transactions because people didn't know how to sell their house. Its a very emotional game that is played. People can get whacked out of shape over the simpliest things. Basically, he is the middleman. ALso, the agent knows the market. The general public has little experience in buying/selling a house since it may only happen once or twice in a lifetime. If a person knows the ins and outs, then more power to them.
osage Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 4:47 PM EST
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Interesting that when it is a pinko commie Democrat involved the following statement is made:

"I think the issue of the overseas Heinz plants is overblown. Look at a company like Nestle. They began in Europe and have plants around the world. It has more to do with logistics and controlling costs than it does job loss. American jobs aren't being lost because Heinz has plants all over the world. Heinz is just getting richer because they are competing in markets around the world that they could never compete in if their products were being manufactured in the US and shipped abroad. The products that Heinz produces overseas stay overseas."

Then if anyone else sends a job overseas it is Bush's fault. How can anyone justify one and denounce the other.
ts Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 5:33 PM EST
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"A Pinko Commi" I haven't heard that phrase in a long time.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Mar 28 2004, 7:29 PM EST
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osage

ts beat me to it.

it is hard to read something that follows that ancient phrase.
ducati996 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 2:06 AM EST
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A little tidbit of info....Japanese autoworkers make roughly the same wage as the union autoworker in Detroit, yet Toyota rules the world market. This is definitely a management inefficiency issue. Sooner or later, American management is going to have to take responsibility to manage. We could learn from companies such as Toyota, (General Electric already has)instead we choose to blindly blame a convenient scape goat, organized labor. Ford almost got there in the mid 90's and chose to slip back into mediocrity. Please keep in mind, this opinion is coming from a member of management responsible for bargaining with our union.
penzt8 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 3:57 AM EST
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osage,

I think you're misunderstanding my position on this. I don't think that the Heinz thing is a big deal. They're not exporting jobs and even if they were so what, it's all about making money in a free market.

I also don't think that the jobs moving overseas is the US governments' (president or congress) fault. Jobs are moving overseas because american workers are pricing themselves out of the labor market.
penzt8 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 4:12 AM EST
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ts,

I just think that the whole real eatate business is made unnecessarily confusing so that the common person is convinced he needs a real estate agent.

I think their service should be flat fee based and not based on the cost of my house. The amount of work doesn't vary much from one to the other but the guy with the 300K house pay 18K and the guy with the 100k house pays 6k for the same amount of work.

When I sell my current house I'll do it without an agent. It's a pretty simple process. All of the complicated stuff really doesn't have to do with the sales contract, it has to do with financing and that's not my problem. You just draft a simple sales contract and get it signed.

The mortgage company may require an appraisal, termite inspection, title check and all that other stuff but it's not really part of the sales process.
Homebrew Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 5:27 AM EST
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Now I do not want to stand up for the realtors, but. I have been around the real estate buisness before. Alot of people don't know this, but there is alot of liability, on the brokers part. A broker is liable for all claims made, in the sale of a house. If the agent tells the buyer, that there are hardwood floors, under the carpet, and the sle is made, and the buyer pulls up the carpet, and finds plywood floors, the realestate company can be liable for the price of replacing the plywood, with hardwood. Just an example.
I would never sell my home, without a realtor. I do not want the liability.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
p.s. I do not worry about a plant, owned by US companies, who manufacture products outside the US, for consumption, outside the US. But if those products, are for US consumption, than the plant needs to be within our borders.
eleltea Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 6:31 AM EST
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I have loved Heinz ketchup all my life. Don't ever put Hunts on my table, or any other brand. I would hate to think its made in Somalia with child labor, and I don't like JFKerry very much, but I will never be without a bottle of Heinz ketchup in my fridge.

I wont buy their pickles anymore, though. After all, a man's got to have principles.
osage Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 8:41 AM EST
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Rick, I am ancient! If the Heinz plants were located over here they would be using U.S. workers. They could still ship overseas to these areas where Heinz is in demand. They have factories over in other countries because the labor is cheaper. Same reason other companies are outsourcing. Heinz makes more profit this way. With more money, Kerry can act just like one of the middle class that he wants to vote for him. How hypocritical it is for him to be against the rich. He is one!
dbguru Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2004, 9:51 AM EST
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How can you not be one (rich) and run for political office these days??

The cost to get a campaign going is unbelievable. I have a cousin sonsidering a run for congress and it would pretty much cost him his entire retirement savings just to get started, much less have a reasonable chance of winning.
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