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Attacking America for Politics...
Robby Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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Did anyone see Dr. Rice testify? She was amazing. Some of the "genitalmen" questioning her were clearly using the forum as a means of attacking the president for partisan political gains. This after hearing her testimony in closed sessions and already having full fore knowledge of what she had to say, and then couching questions for 1 word answers and trying to make the administration look like they actually planned to be attacked or that we were somehow complicit in the attacks. It was one of the most outrageous things I have EVER seen in my life. It was disgusting and it was clear that it was a transparent media ploy by the liberal democrats to try to make the present administration look bad. This while our troops are in-country in Iraq and dying for our freedoms and fighting the war on terror globally in many spots around the world.

Have the democrats sunk to even a newer lower low than ever before? At what point does it stop? How many overt political attacks at the potential expense of our national security will we see? And finally, after watching this, "who in their right mind would vote for them?"

I for one would love to see Dr. Rice run for elected office and would campaign for her. The insult to injury came when the buffoon questioning her kept calling her by the wrong name. He was questioning her ability to process the flood of vague security information that flows across her desk DAILY and demanding answers to questions about events that happened years ago, but couldn’t remember her name? WTF? It was like a freaking circus! The dems should be ASHAMED of this farce.
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#2 Posted:
Joined: 02-23-2001
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I am absolutly convinced that "Dicky Benny Venvanuteeees" agenda is the advance of the democrat party and the demise of the Republicans and that it takes precedence over and at the expense of the United States.

His actions in this event and his actions in the Clinton escapades make me want to puke.

Our lack of knowlege of these events didn't start with Bush II or Clinton, It started with the Church Commitee. Every member of it has "Blood on their Hands".

The only solution is not statesmanship, the fanatics laugh at statesmanship, but the premature demise of EVERY radical and murderer, from ben Laden & Arafat, to the leaders of Iran and the followers of these people. They don't listen they just cause grief.
Until that is done we are in for some long times of horror.
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#3 Posted:
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I am absolutly convinced that "Dicky Benny Venvanuteeees" agenda is the advance of the democrat party and the demise of the Republicans and that it takes precedence over and at the expense of the United States.

His actions in this event and his actions in the Clinton escapades make me want to puke.

Our lack of knowlege of these events didn't start with Bush II or Clinton, It started with the Church Commitee. Every member of it has "Blood on their Hands".

The only solution is not statesmanship, the fanatics laugh at statesmanship, but the premature demise of EVERY radical and murderer, from ben Laden & Arafat, to the leaders of Iran and the followers of these people. They don't listen they just cause grief.
Until that is done we are in for some long times of horror.
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#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-23-2001
Posts: 15
Sorry for double post, My cable connection went out while I was sending it the first time & I switched to dial-up not realizing the first post went through.
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Dr. Rice did very well. It is especially disingenuous of the Demos to make noise in front of the cameras about the de-classifying the OBL briefing when they didn't bother to show up for the closed-door hearing with Dr. Rice.
00camper Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-11-2003
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Where are Reverend AL and Jesse? Any other time, any other circumstance where a "sister" was mistreated that way and they would be calling for a march on Washington.

The 9-11 Commission is a joke and everybody knows it except some of the victims' families. Its sad to see them paraded on TV for political purposes.
lukin Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 03-31-2004
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Condi rocks!!!! I widh her and Cheney could switch places so that I can proudly vote for her in the 2008 election.

As to the issue of the victims families. It is sad to see something so personal and tragic to them become political. I don't blame them though. I blame the dems for seeking them out and using them for political gain. I didn't lose anyone personally in 9-11 so its hard for me to criticize them. I think a big part of what they are doing on tv is trying to answer their own questions. Its like when people lose loved ones and consult psychics. I think its sad that they have to go to these people to feel better about their loss, but if it makes them feel better then more power to them. If those who lost loved ones on 9-11 want to blame Bush and go on TV, then thats fine with me. They are searching for answers up the wrong tree, but if this is how they will reconcile their loss, so be it.
THL Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 10-22-2002
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I would love to see Condi debate with Hillary Clinton. Man, what a show that would be! It would be hilarious to see the contortions Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Patricia Ireland, Kim Gandy and Gloria Steinham would go through to support Hillary and denigrate Condi.
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#9 Posted:
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Dittos to all above.

A Condi v. Hillery debate would be entertaining, but I would love to see Dr. Rice debate any liberal. She, once again, demonstrated her ability when she testified before this commission.
RDC Offline
#10 Posted:
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Powell & Rice in 2008
EI Offline
#11 Posted:
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Anyone notice the absence of responses from the self proclaimed liberals on this site?
Makes you wonder what they may be thinking.

Ohhh we all know what they are thinking

"BUSH BAD KERRY GOOD ARRRRRRRRR" and "WAR FOR OIL"
But when faced with facts they decline to respond
Sonny_LSU Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 11-21-2002
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.......dare I post? All this right-winged chest thumping makes my butt itch.

But....

The 9/11 commission is/was a joke, and it was used for a political campaign attack. I don't believe that the current administration could have done anything else due to that memo. Witch Hunt.

Don't take this and run.......I still stand on my war issues!
EI Offline
#13 Posted:
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Sonny. glad to see your honest enough to admit that and not fall into the liberal spin cycle

There may be hope for you yet LOL

Now all we have to do is get you to admit you had fun spending your large tax refund this year
And that you are better off with Bush's economic plan than you ever were with Clinton in office
Or do I hope for too much
Robby Offline
#14 Posted:
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LOL @ butt itching!
EI Offline
#15 Posted:
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On the left, only Sonny had the stones to reply to this thread and for that I admire him
The rest are just hoping this thread dies and they can move on to their "Hate Bush" retoric
00camper Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 07-11-2003
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Alan Keyes and Condi Rice, the perfect team for 2008.
428cj Offline
#17 Posted:
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Sonny said: "The 9/11 commission is/was a joke, and it was used for a political campaign attack. I don't believe that the current administration could have done anything else due to that memo. Witch Hunt."

Like the others above said I'm gald you responded to this, and even more glad you feel this way. This commission, while investigating an extremely important event, has like so many before it turned into an ugly political attack. Good to hear from you Sonny.




This time anyway.... Haha.
Robby Offline
#18 Posted:
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Good points, why have none of the other less conservative BOTL weighed in on this weighty issue? Where is the shrill anti-bush crowd? Ashamed of their parties conduct with Condi? My position? No comment = no balls...
EI Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-29-2002
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And yet rickmaven has been posting all around this thread...before during and after.. he must have read it, but still no reply.
Do i hear crickets?
Robby Offline
#20 Posted:
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Yeah, I voted for Bush and will again, but there are things he and the republican's have done and continue to do that I disagree with. When they f-up, I can admit it... i.e., the deal with the Mexicans and their deal he gave them to buy their votes? Bad, very bad... But some are such ideologs, that they simply cannot see past the end of their upturned noses and admit wrongdoing when it's as plain as the upturned nose on the end of their pompous face...
Homebrew Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
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I agree, that both sides, Democrats, and republican, have used the 911 comission, for political pourposes. The 2 parties, are not that far apart.
I would love to vote Libertarian, if they had a chance. But the Dems, and republicans, will not let them have a level playing field.
I voted for Bush, in the last election, and he attacked our country, by way of subverting the constitution, by way of the "patriot Act". I will vote for Kerry, because of this one issue. The ends don't justify the means. I don't like Kerry, but what choice do I have?? The republicans have sold out the country, by not giving us a choice, like McCain, in the primary. So I will hold my nose and vote for Kerry. It will be the first time in 22 years I have voted for a demoncrat, and hopefully will be the last.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
EI Offline
#22 Posted:
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I dont beleive the patriot act has subverted the constitution.
That being said let me ask you this Homebrew. How has the patriot act affected you personally. Have you been pulled out of your car at gunpoint by men in black? Has your home been unreasonable searched? Have your assets been frozen? Have you been detained for no reason? Have you had your speech quelled?
Seems to me that the patriot act in any form would have to abide by the constitution, Name me one fact that supports that it has not. So based on your perception of this one issue you will chose to vote for a man that flip flops on every issue, voted for countless tax hikes, wants to give control of our military over to the UN (which is a violation of the constitution)and is the canidate of choice of every terroist that wishes to do us harm.
Sorry but I just don't understand the logic.
I don't bow at the republican altar ( I disagree with open borders and benifits for "ILLEGAL" aliens)
But I cant see one redeaming quality in Kerry
List his objectives on the economy, the war and foreign policy. He has none and if he did it would change daily according to what polls he reads in the morning.
His only platform is to raise taxes to a level to which you and I will have to work for 7 months just to pay our tax debt.
Sorry Bush may not be the answer to it all. But at least he has a platform and it seems to be working.
My biggest fear is that if Kerry gets elected we will have terror on the streets of the USA like is seen daily in the middle east. So I guess for that reason alone a vote for Bush is a vote for security. And without that security the constitution is just an old piece of paper.
Homebrew Offline
#23 Posted:
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We will see, if the patriot act will be allowed to subvert the constitution, after the supreme court, rules. I have lost some faith, in the Supreme court, but, we will see. If the Patriot act, is upheld, in the courts, I pray for my country. How has the Patriot act affected me?? It hasn't yet. But you give them an inch, and they will take a mile, they always do. When they decide that purchasing ISOMs is supporting terrorists, it will effect many of us. Those who give up their freedoms for security, deserve neither.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Big Brother, is here and he is watching you.
lukin Offline
#24 Posted:
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I am a staunch republican, but the patriot act more than anything Bush has done scares the daylights out of me. Maybe I've read '1984' too many times but I am paranoid about this kind of stuff. I don't want the government anywhere near my private life. I know most people say that "if you aren't doing anything wrong whats the difference" or "Do you think the government really cares about you?" Probably not, but I'd rather be safe than sorry
00camper Offline
#25 Posted:
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It is naive to believe that the USA Patriot Act has somehow given federeal agents access to information that was previously impossible for them to get.

Nothing has changed. If a federal agent wants your file - be it credit card, medical history or phone records - that agent can get it, without help from the Patriot Act.

That said, people like to blame Dubya for passage of the Patriot Act when no such thing happened. No President can enact legislation. A majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate voted for passage of the Patriot Act and the President signed it into law. Without approval of Congress - House and Senate - there would not be a Patriot Act. If you want to blame somebody you should start with your own Congressmen and Senators.
bassdude Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2004
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Hey, hey!! that can't be right everyting is the fault of the president. Where did you get your schoolin son??

Anyone who watched Saturday morning cartoons should know the flow from bill to law.

I'm just a bill and I'm sittin here on capitol hill
Robby Offline
#27 Posted:
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Where does John F'ing Kerry stand on the whole Patriot Act thing? I'm not sure I've really heard him discussing this?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted:
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20030919.shtml

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry082803.asp

http://www.patriotblog.com/index.php?id=53

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33377

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37642
Robby Offline
#29 Posted:
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"The locus of forgetfulness is the Democratic presidential field, as Rep. ****** Gephardt, Sen. John Edwards and Sen. John Kerry all voted for the Patriot Act and now attack Attorney General John Ashcroft for having the temerity to use it."

Interesting... It's like his comment regarding the war in Iraq, "I voted for it, before I voted against it". Who could not love this man? He's for everything you're for and against everything you're against! I may vote Kerry, he's right there with me on all of the issues!
HockeyDad Offline
#30 Posted:
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"We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashcroft.

That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I’ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American’s basic rights."

Source Dec 1, 2003 speech by John Kerry at Iowa State from johnkerry.com.

I guess you already see this coming but, Senator John Kerry voted for the Patriot Act and now is against it.

SteveS Offline
#31 Posted:
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Author: Robby Date: 04/15/2004 04:49 PM
I may vote Kerry, he's right there with me on all of the issues!
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True ... no matter where you stand on the issues, at one time or another, he's right (or left) there with you ... doing his best to be all things to all people ...

lukin Offline
#32 Posted:
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LOL Robby
This Kerry guy is whatever the polls says he should be on any given day.
EI Offline
#33 Posted:
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This Kerry guy is whatever the polls says he should be on any given day.


If ya can't dazzle em with brillance baffle em with BS
DrMaddVibe Offline
#34 Posted:
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March 21, 2004

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
I wonder if John Kerry has perhaps launched his descent into caricature a couple of months too early. Usually, the successful losing candidate waits till late spring/early summer before shifting gears and beginning each day with the campaign trying to explain some rhetorical triviality from the previous week that's stuck to his shoe and he can't seem to shake off.

Ever since last summer, I've been mocking Sen. Kerry's tortured explanations as to why his vote in favor of such-and-such in fact demonstrates his staunch opposition to it. As I wrote a couple of months back:

''His vote against the first Gulf War was, he says, a sign of his support for the first Gulf War. Whereas his vote in favor of the Iraq war was a sign of his opposition to the Iraq war. And his vote against funding America's troops in Iraq is a sign of his support for America's men and women in uniform. On the same principle, I think the best way voters this November can demonstrate their support for John Kerry is by voting against him.''

Even I, though, would have balked at so crude and obvious a parody as this line, which some Kerry impersonator did on the radio the other day:

''I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.''

Oh, hang on. That's apparently the real senator, explaining to an audience of veterans why he voted against funding the Iraqi reconstruction:

''I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.''

Got that?

Q: How many John Kerrys does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: At least four. One to unscrew the old lightbulb. One to simultaneously announce his courageous commitment to replacing the old bulb. One to vote against funding the new light bulb. And one to denounce George W. Bush and America's Benedict Arnold CEOs for leaving everyone in the dark.

Q: Why did John Kerry cross the road?

A: He didn't cross the road. He crossed to the middle to demonstrate his grasp of the nuances and subtleties involved in crossing the road, and was still explaining them to the New York Times reporter when the logging truck hit him.

Then there was the senator's clumsy attempt to declare himself America's ''second black president.'' Bill Clinton was at least canny enough to get himself anointed as the first black president by an actual black person, the novelist Toni Morrison, who declared that he displayed ''every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.'' It's harder to pull that off when you're a Swiss finishing school boy from Massachusetts. Many's the night John and the other boys in his dorm would lie awake dreaming of their freedom as they murmured one of the traditional spirituals of their people: ''Swing by, sweet limousine, comin' for to carry me home.''

Of course, like many African Americans, he understands what it's like when people are prejudiced against you because of your skin. In Sen. Kerry's case, his skin is extremely thin. So it was inevitable that, when a voter named Cedric Brown, in Bethlehem, Pa., needled the candidate to name one of the world leaders who were supposedly desperate for him to beat Bush, within moments the senator would be snarling that it's ''none of your business.''

It's never a good idea in vernacular politics to leave the impression you're more comfortable with the global elite than with American citizens. Instead of the second black president, Kerry sounded awfully like America's first French president.

Also none of our business is the senator's go-ahead-punk bluster about foreign policy. For months he's been droning in his stump speech that, if George W. Bush wants to fight this election on national security, Kerry has three words for him: ''Bring it on!'' So Bush brought it on -- with a 30-second ad arguing that the senator is weak on defense. And suddenly the campaign's curled up on the floor in a fetal position whimpering that it's just totally unfair making such a horrible personal attack. Watching him in New Hampshire, I always thought, when Kerry dares you to ''bring it on,'' he couldn't quite bring it off. As all military strategists say, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. And so it proved.

What else? For over a year, there've been jokes about the ponderous way the senator brings Vietnam up at every opportunity. Ask him about John Edwards' pretty boy bangs, and Kerry says solemnly, ''I know something about bangs for real.'' But he's beyond satire now. The Humane Society sends him a questionnaire asking ''Do you have any pets that have made an impact on you personally?'' Instead of citing any of the ginger toms, gerbils and cockatoos that have passed through the Kerry household in the last four decades, he goes back to those four months in Vietnam and recalls a pooch named VC who accompanied him on his swift boat missions.

Is it normal to take a yappy mutt on a swift boat patrol through enemy territory? Especially a mutt named after the enemy. Calling out ''Over here, VC'' in the middle of the jungle seems a good way to get taken out by friendly fire. Come to that, how many folks name their dogs after the enemy? Did British Tommies stumble across stray French poodles on the beach at Normandy and think, ''Aw, cute li'l feller. I'll call him SS''?

Weird. And, just to round out a weird week, John Kerry, accompanied by the press, went into a sporting goods store and bought a jock strap. Even for a campaign marked by a strangely insecure macho exhibitionism, this was a little too self-parodic. Next time he shouts ''Bring it on!'' I want to see that VC puppy trot out with the jock strap between his teeth so Jacques Chirac can ceremonially drape it round the senator's neck.
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