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SO WHY DO WE NEED SPEND THE MILLIONS
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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that little w asked congress for.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13574690.htm
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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Why Rick, are you suggesting we should take their oil?
00camper Offline
#3 Posted:
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Because the UN says so.

"Under a May 2003 U.N. Security Council resolution, the Coalition Provisional Authority is required to deposit all the proceeds of Iraqi oil exports into the fund. The resolution was intended to ensure Iraq's secretive U.S.-led civil administration was not engaged in any dubious practices in marketing Iraq's oil and using the money for reconstruction. "

Thanks to the UN we can't get to the oil money.
Robby Offline
#4 Posted:
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BOMB THE UN!
Cavallo Offline
#5 Posted:
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that's too bad, because we SHOULD be using their oil money to fund the reconstruction at the very least.

it wouldn't suck to use some of it to drive our own damned gas prices back down to some semblence of decency either. screw OPEC.
EI Offline
#6 Posted:
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Robby that would take out a good portion of New York City.. I say we just turn the property back into a brewery and make a dark stout and call it UN Pale Ale
patman Offline
#7 Posted:
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I think we should use a set percentage of the Oil Funds to assist in the financial burden of rebuilding Iraq. The people have been forced to suffer under very cruel circumstances and the actions contributing to those circumstances being changed comes with a price. That is financial responsibility. Something our country could do well to learn. So as for taking say 20% to 40% of the funds earned from oil sales why not. The money is going directly into their infrastructure and livelihood. That is the whole point.

Don’t get me wrong I believe that we too have a part in assisting them but "assisting" is the key word here. Every country that played a role in the liberation act should be assisting them. But the majority of the bill should fall onto Iraq.

IMHO...

Happy Smokin!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted:
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Cavallo

OPEC is nothing more then a bunch of camel jockey's who if they didn't have oil on their property, would still be carrying spices to the orient.

the only people that benifit from the value of having oil are the "princes" and the "shieks" and most of the older guys will remember that shieks were a brand name for condums when they were called rubbers.

when britan tuned the desert into little fiefdoms and appointed people kings or whatever they called them at the time they should have kept the mineral rights.

there is some arab honcho with so much money he has vcr's taping every station he can get with his satelite
dish, 24 hours a day seven days a week. he has a staff that files the tapes in some kind of order. why? because he can afford to.

these are the real terrorists. the people they "rule" get squat from the countries riches and are taught to hate us instead of the bastards that rule them and keep them in poverty.

as i recall usa companies drilled the wells and were "nationalized" by the individual gangsters. as much as i hate major companies that nothing more then a bottom line mentality, which is used to provide the ceo's extra ordinary salaries and bonuses, instead of being distributed to the stock holders who actually own the companies, we as a country should not have allowed the theft of equipment and oil by the "rulers" of the arab nations.

if we can't even insist that iraq pay it's own way for their rebuilding with the profits from oil money that used to go to sadam and now goes into swiss banks for some future dictator, more then likely some religious leader, to abscond with, we, the usa, are oil whipped.

all this crap results in gas costing us $2.50 a gallon and rising, and that pisses me off.
428cj Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 04-26-2003
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Hmm, your quote "these are the real terrorists" in talking about the oil 'owners' in the Middle East is interesting. Although I agree with your negative views of them I also believe there are much more 'real' terrorists out there. I can think of at least 3000+ plus people who have found this out.

The people who control the oil seem to be disgusting and corrupted, but don't forget that many evil people out there want more than anything to kill as many American as possible. For nothing more than being Americans. To me at least THESE are the real terrorists. But I view life as being more important then anything else. Maybe it's just me...
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
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Rick,

"we as a country should not have allowed the theft of equipment and oil by the rulers of the arab nations"

Are you suggesting we should have had a military intervention in the Middle East many years ago when our oil companies had their assets nationalized by various Arab countries but yet we shouldn't be in Iraq now? John Kerry really is the perfect presidential candidate for you!

The fund where all this money is being deposited is actually at the Federal Reserve Bank in New York. The fund is controlled by the Coalition Provisional Authority headed by US Ambassador Paul Bremer, the Iraqi Governing Council, the Iraqi Minister of Finance, and the Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq.

According to the Coalition Provisional Authority website, the fund has been used to pay for the wheat purchase program, the currency exchange program, the electricity and oil infrastructure programs, equipment for Iraqis security forces, and for Iraqi civil service salaries and ministry budget operations.

This money is being used by Iraq to rebuild Iraq and administered by the coalition. It is kinda like the UN administered "Oil for Food" program except the millions of dollars in bribes scattered throughout the UN no longer exist.

By the way, gas prices at $2.50 a gallon are just a figment of your imagination. The US just conducted a successful "War for Oil" in Iraq and gas prices are now just under $1 a gallon. Humm, looks like that whole war for oil theory is falling down.
428cj Offline
#11 Posted:
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Careful HockeyDad, you're trying to introduce logic here. I found out a while ago it isn't worth the effort.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted:
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428cj

i think of the guys that flew the planes into the WTC and the kids that wear the sucide belts to become martyrs as the soldiers inspired by the true terrorists who use these people and convince them they will enter heaven to be greeted by 72 virgins. the only religeon that promises to get you laid if you die for the cause.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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HockeyDad

and yeserday, someone checked my oil, cleaned my windows and gave me green stamps.

they even sang as they came to the car. "oh, were the men from texaco, we work from maine to just north of the mexican border."
Robby Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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I was out the other night and chose not to drink, I had a Virgin Mary instead. When I was done, the waitron asked if I wanted another and I replied, "I've just converted to Islam, bring me 71 more..."
428cj Offline
#15 Posted:
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I guess I'm happy to hear Rick that you at least consider these 'people' soldiers. I was afraid you were going to say THEY are the real victims and suggest a group hug for all of them.

Their religion can be twisted towards violence, that's for sure. Don't forget though that the hatred of America and Americans is still a primary motivator for them.

It's irrelevant WHY a terrorist action is taken, or by whom it's done. A terrorist act is a terrorist act, period. By targeting innocent people any (possible) rational argument 'for the cause' is immediately thrown out the window.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted:
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428cj

without equivocation

ter·ror·ism (tµr“…-r¹z”…m) n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

the odd thing about the culture there is i suspect they can be taught to hate and die for any reason. they have held japanese people hostage also.

i think the threat we face is the indoctrination by their leaders to hate. each group hates the other groups and collectivly they all have been taught to hate us. the underclass lead lives of desperation, with no better future available to them. add to that, the great reward that awaits them, they become easy prey to become martyrs. how else do the hamas convince children 12 years old to kill themselves in the name of allah.

"Their religion can be twisted towards violence", sort of like the cursades? carefull, before you answer to quickly.
428cj Offline
#17 Posted:
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Well said Rick, glad we're on the same page (kind of scared really but glad- haha).
As far as the Crusades go I also agree. Pretty bad tactic (to me anyway): adopt our religion or die. Not good.
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