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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
By now you have heard of the schmuck who sued Phillip Morris for $3 billion. Claims he was able to quit heroin and alcohol, but not cigarettes. Started smoking at age 13. He's dying of lung cancer. Although we are all smokers, I think most of us don't smoke cigarettes. I assume nobody here agrees with this ruling. Yet, this is the society that the democrats are breeding. Always looking to BLAME somebody. Usually with deep pockets. $3 billion paid by a company for selling a legal product to an adult. The bleeding heart liberal jury should be ashamed of themselves, but Liberals everywhere rejoice because corporate America must pay. Democrats unite, because this is what you breed.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
what do the democrats or the liberals have to do with this case. first of all the tobacco industry and the clothing industry helped make grass illegal. the clothing industry was getting ready to put out synthetic fiber and they didn't want hemp around. i am currently on sabatical from cigarettes for about 15 years. my hypnotist was able to stop it cold the first time. 6 months later i was back to 4 packs a day. 3 different kinds of cough medicine to do different things to help my inability to stop coughing. this time we decided i could not stop permanently, but i could stop for a while. so far 15 years. the threat to a smoker (ie cigarettes) that he can never smoke a cigarette again is overwhelming. it is not only physically addictive but it is mentally more addictive than coke or heroin. it's acceptable in polite society. cigarettes are not a food or a drug. what the hell are they that they can't be regulated. no one starts smoking cigarettes as an adult. why do you think cigaretes are given to service men. away from home, well i never had one, but i'll just try these and see if i like them. anyone that thinks they don't target your kids is not dealing with reality. kids think its cool. try to think of any cigarette smoker you know that didn't start as a child. i have been smoking pipes for about 8 years and started cigars instead about 7 years ago. i smoke about half a dozen a day. i had a catscan last year because i couldn't shake the flu. my lungs are clear and clean. don't let anyone tell you cigars are just as bad as the little nails. the only difference between suing the tobacco industry and the mafia, is the mafia likes to settle out of court. corporate america sold firestone tires and knew there was a problem, like people were dying. remember the car that used to just take off even if it was not in drive. must be the driver. now of course you can't shift without your foot on the brake. the corvair? seat belts aren't necessary. air bags, too expensive. i'm not against corporations. just remember what they are: "A body that is granted a charter legally recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members". the individual owners, stock holders are not held liable nor are the executives who make a ton of money even though the corporation they are running is going in the dumper because of their mismanagement. there is no reason why corporations can't make a profit and run a clean business. that's what the rest of do. do a lousy job at work and you get fired.
unklebill Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-1999
Posts: 729
Would you sue your local milk producer if you found out that the milk they had been producing had given you or someone in your house cancer? If you found out they added something they know caused cancer and kept it a secret. If they also added something to make it addictive and kept that a secret too?

Cigarettes have not always been known to be bad for you. They ONLY RECENTLY added WARNING LABELS!!!
How many kids who started smoking realized the health dangers or addictiveness of smoking cigarettes? Yet the cigarette companies actively marketed to them. And fought to keep cigarettes readily available for their purchase.

The $3 billion dollar verdict is meant not only to pay medical and legal fees but also as a punishment. Money is all that catches a companies attention. A $1 million dollar fine is not going to make a difference to a $5 billion dollar/yr industry. $3 billion dollars might catch their attention though.
gdurfor Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2001
Posts: 288
"They ONLY RECENTLY added WARNING LABELS!!! " It's been over 30 years. Be an adult accept personnal responsiblity. But the dems want to make everyone a victim so the trail lawyers get rich. Stop the sueing
and get responsiblity for your own life. I quit smoking cigs 2-3 packs a day 11 years ago. What a country of wimps!
unklebill Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-1999
Posts: 729
Only since 1966. Some people were already adults then. This guy obiously was.
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Only since 1966! Well, excuse me that is over 35 years ago and it is typical of you, Bill, to think that each and every corporation has deep pockets to keep paying fools like this guy that got the latest judgement. He has been hooked on cocaine and an alcoholic to boot! So I guess now he will die a rich degenerate rather than a poor one. I hope they contest this decision and get it reduced to only about 2 or 3 million dollars. Far more than he deserves. Oh poor me I have been lighting these things for years with the warning label and knowledge that I will die from them, so pay me! Come on.........rip off the country! Charlie
mark Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 08-03-1999
Posts: 143
obesity is the cause of more health problems than smoking. why don't they sue McDonalds and Taco Bell???
jjohnson28 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
Posts: 7,914
Don't worry Smokechaser,once they get done with tobacco and guns,it's only a matter of time.Anybody see "Demolition Man" Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes and Sandra Bullock? Great Movie IMO(lots o' fun).Yeah it's only a movie but getting closer to reallity every day.Just give 'em time.
jimlangdon Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2010
Posts: 41
Anyone who lacks the moxy to quit cigarettes is a ****, plan and simple. I smoked 'em for 20 years and quit in one day (30 Nov '95). Yeah, it was tough but crack-coke I would assume would be more difficult! Phillip Morris should either pass the $3B loss to the cigarette buying public or stop selling in Cali. $14 a pack!!! Watch the Dems blame it on Bush. Ha!
Any land south of San Fran should be given to Mexico anyway.
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Thank you, Rick and Uncle. I thought this was going to be a boring post. Let's take some of the items one at a time: As for cigarettes only "recently" having a warning label, so what? My GREAT grandfather who was born in the 1890's called cigarettes Coffin Nails since he was a kid. Was that because they looked like coffin nails? Or was it because any sane person realizes that burning an item and intentionally concentrating and inhaling the smoke can not possibly be good for you? As for the addictive ingredients, Unclebill, this is NOT like putting cancer causing things into milk. Phillip morris did not put foreign things into cigarettes with the sole intent of causing cancer and killing their customers. The ingredients themselves are not addictive, they merely intensify the nicotine effect, making THAT item more addictive. In other words, the added items "enhance" the effect that the smoker is looking for to begin with. The fact that these ingredients also cause adverse effects needs to be addressed. But NOBODY made this loser smoke. Nobody forced him. Cripes, he is an alcoholic and a heroin junkie. He's WEAK. Both my parents smoked until I was in my teens. My mom still misses them, my dad doesn't. People are different, but they CAN quit. Rick, YOU quit even though it was tough. Sueing a corporation because of your own weakness shifts the blame. That's what the Liberals bring to the table in this issue. IMHO.
tailgater Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Also...Rick, you mentioned airbags. That's a perfect example, since it is truly an expense to the automakers. Yes, they help in a crash, but at what point is the car simply too expensive for the average consumer. And they don't work effectively without a seatbelt which must be connected by the user. And then the automakers got sued because people were injured by the deployment of the bag itself! Why would a corporation want to install an item which would potentially price it out of the market and put itself at greater risk of lawsuits because of sue-happy liberals? CORPORTATIONS CAN NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STUPIDITY OF CONSUMERS!!!
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Joe, you said it all in the bold caps & I might like to put a little different spin on it: "Corporations cannot be held responsible for the stupidity and the boring behavior of consumers!" Footnote: I cannot believe that anybody (sorry JJ) would call a Stallone movie great! Charlie
Todog Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 05-05-2001
Posts: 804
Who here wouldn't give it a shot to settle for two or three million dollars by filing lawsuit that looks to be a sure winner? Right or wrong, this man will soon have a lot of money thanks to that wonderful habit that he should have, could have but didn't, kick years ago. Sounds brilliant to me!
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