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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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27-Year CIA Vet Ray McGovern On George Tenet's Surprise Resignation

RAY MCGOVERN: Yeah, I’m just fresh actually from writing an Op-Ed on the general question of the president seeking private counsel. I think he’s learned from one very large mistake. That is he’s learned by going to a private counsel to get advice on the Valerie Plame case. I think he’s probably by now read the memorandum of 25 January 2002 that Alberto Gonzalez, his chief White House counsel wrote to him. This is the one that says, well you know, Geneva Conventions, that’s kind of a nettle here. We have US law actually, dated 1996 which makes it a crime punishable by death to rescind from or to ignore or to exempt people from the Geneva Conventions on prisoners of war. But Ashcroft says it’s okay as far as the Al Qaeda people are concerned, and I think it’s probably okay to exempt the Taliban as well. And the only downside is that exempting people is a slippery slope and people might come up with some ambiguity with
respect to which prisoners qualify for such protection and which do not. And so he finished up by saying, there’s a reasonable basis in law Mr. President, that you will not be prosecuted for war crimes under the US code, War Crimes Act of 1996. Now if I’m President Bush and I finally read that thing because Newsweek has it printed, and I say, my goodness, there’s a reasonable basis in law that I won’t be prosecuted? I’m going to have a couple of really second thoughts here. One is that next time I’m in a situation like this I’m certainly going to seek independent counsel. But another is, my God, four more years becomes even more important to me and to Ashcroft and to Rumsfeld. Gonzalez specifically warns that who knows, some future administration or some future group might sue you for violating the Geneva Conventions. And not only the Geneva Conventions but to the degree that they are embedded in this US law of 1996, and so you’re really, we have a strong basis in law but we can’t exclude the possibility. So four more years? Why do I say all this?
I say all this because I am more frightened now than at any time over the last three and a half years, that this administration will resort to extra-legal methods to do something to ensure that there are four more years for George Bush. And Ashcroft’s statement last week, gratuitous statement, uncoordinated with the department of, CIA, with the Department of Homeland Security, his warning that there is bound to be a terrorist strike before the US elections. That can be viewed and this can be reasonably viewed as the opening salvo in the justification for doing, taking
measures to ensure that whatever happens in November comes out so that four more years can be devoted to maybe changing that war crimes act or protecting at least these vulnerable people for four more years.


bloody spaniard Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
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In answer to your theme (because I didn't have time to read this dry post), yes, you are quite right, Rick.
You are not alone. The voices in your head are your friends.

Goodbye my weepy, little, Albanian-Greek Director.
Go to a taverna & break a few dishes over your silly empty head so that you can cry some more. This fatso is my age but he looks 10 years older than me.

Say goodbye to another inept Clinton appointee. Good riddance!

blood

PS: Whatever happened to the mass-murdering, trans-gender joke known as Janet Reno? Is she tending to her peacock flock down in little Havana?
chipslave Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
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I think Reno got a job as stunt double for Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs... "It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose..."
Robby Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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Does Al Queda wear uniforms? Are they an army? Or an underground terrorist organization akin to "spies"? Pull your head out of your a$$ Rick, the view is nicer.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted:
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Robby

GOOD MORNING.
bloody spaniard Offline
#6 Posted:
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"Does Al Queda wear uniforms? Are they an army? Or an underground terrorist organization akin to "spies"?"


I don't know about Al Queda, but I do know that Buffalo Bill likes to wear skins that are nicely moisturized...No stretchmarks, please.
I think that he special orders from a muslim catalog. They're good skinners.

blood
JonR Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Rick:

"Rick.
You are not alone. The voices in your head are your friends."

Soooo sorry I didn't realize you had friends,as I lead you toward the light feel free to bring your friends with you.

JonR

Ps: Er that is all your friends except CigarBid db as it would be impossible to remove his nose from kerrys butt.

Robby Offline
#8 Posted:
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Sorry Rick, but I just get my ire up when the ACLU et-al starts crying about the rights of the "detainees" in Gitmo. I don't believe these people are POWs in the traditional sense and therefore they are not in my opinion entitled to protection/rights under the Geneva Convention. Aren’t they the same ones that defend NAMBLA? Things that make you go hummmm…
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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Robby

#1 a 1996 law passed by congress and the senate, made it illegal for the usa to circumvent the geneva convention for any reason. just because you call captured people something other then POW's does not prevent them from being covered by law.

#2 are we no better then our enemies?

i don't understand their defense of NAMBLA. does that mean the baby out with the bath water?
Robby Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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The ACLU would never have NAMBLA throw the baby out...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,498
After 9-11...he shudda been FIRED!
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
The ACLU stands for just about everything unAmerican you can think of, what happened to the original ideals of this way far far far left organization?
Do away with prayer, do away with crosses (however, other religious symbols are ok), do away with Pledge of Allegience, do away with Apple Pie and Baseball!

Charlie
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted:
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Amen, DrM.
Welcome back.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted:
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Robby

i think that is the funniest thing you have posted. you have a deep sense of humor.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted:
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Charlie

when the dodgers moved to los angeles, baseball ended in my mind and psyche.

ordinarily i prefer a good chocolate cake, but my neighbor bakes an apple pie that is so good, i give up chocolate for the week we eat the pie, a very little at a time.
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