And Gater... I see you are now ok with the neo-con designation too. You know how often right wing pundits use the word "liberal" in deragatory and generalizing ways. Proof of that is that I'm sure you (and most neo-cons) in general have not a single positive thought when someone says "liberal" to you. That is the outcome of a constant persistant campaign in brain programming by right wing media to use the word, liberal in a derogatory way.
I'm angry with the way the new right wing (neo-cons)hijacks my English language to by playing word games and demonizing people and words like liberal. Gater, please understand my use of the word, neo-con is just a response to the whole situation. Don't take it personally. If your proud to be one, good for you. So if we have disagrements, I'm still pretty sure you want what you think is best for the country, just like I do.
My only real beef with the neo-cons is not their beliefs and values... its their belief that the Bushes really represent their beliefs and values. This is where I think neo-conservaties have made a major mistake. For me, it really has been the Bushes policies and misdirections that have changed me from a relatively moderate Republican into a more liberal Democrat over the last 15 years. This happens when leadership pursues polarizing and policies without compromise. My main disagreement with the neo-cons is really over the Bushes, their key men in the administration (Cheney, etc.) and IMHO how their policies stem from a view of the world and this economy that is just not realistic and perhaps dangerous to our well being.
DB