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The VP has a potty mouth!!
uncleb Offline
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5289848/
newtreasurehunt Offline
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I heard on the radio that he FU'd a senator. I considered which of the 100 deserved it. Bingo! Patrick Leahy!
JonR Offline
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God forbid I guess now the world will come to a f***ing
end for sure. LOL

JonR
OrdnryAvgGuy Offline
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Some of you have really short memories.

LMAO!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35997
OrdnryAvgGuy Offline
#5 Posted:
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Some of you have really short memories.

LMAO!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35997
DrMaddVibe Offline
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How dare you post websites from the right!

You're only allowed to post from CNN, Salon, CBS, NBC or ABC!


jk!
RDC Offline
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Well Patrick Leahy is a F'king idiot and deserves to have someone say F'k you.
tailgater Offline
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"technically no foul" but apparently news worthy nonetheless.
Charlie Offline
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The insult really is who confused Patrick Lahey with a "fuc----" idiot.................all fu--ing idiots should be insulted by the remark of being called a Laehy! :):):)

Charlie
DrMaddVibe Offline
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So when I accidently hit my thumb with a hammer I should yell out "Oh Waxman!" instead of "Oh $hit!"?

Just need a lil' clarification
johnfs Offline
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Let's just vote for cahtolic bishops and priests for president so we can wage a real holywar.
bassdude Offline
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johnfs, what the hell does that have to do with the topic??? Leahy is Catholic so are you advocating him to become celibate join the priesthood and move up the ladder to Bishop then run for president??

Now that would be a violation of the separation of church and state.

johnfs Offline
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Bassdude,(maybe he should) no there was just a catholic referance in the report, which lead up to the dodo talk.

But now if one was elected I think they would have to give up their position just as a senator or gov. does.

J
dbguru Offline
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So you guys condone Cheney's behavior?

But at the same time, do you agree with the outpouring of righteous indignation that the media (most notably the right wing media) poured out with when Kerry had inserted an expletive into his commentary as pointed out in the above link?

Saying yes to both demonstrates the hypocricy that only right wing (dare I say neo-con) partisanship can accomodate. But then that's where many of you are, I understand that.

Difference here is that Cheney does in a direct show of hotheaded anger to Pat Leahy. On the same day Bush's own website puts out an ad called "Kerry's Coalition of the Wild-eyed" to demonstrate supposed irrational behavior by every leading Democrat. This demonstration is done in this ad using spirited speeches by Democratic leaders mixed with spirited speeches by Hitler. This is right in Bushes website!!

Some you got all offended when I suggested that poeple who would support selectively cut and pasted anti Semetic content onto this board from http://www.unansweredquestions.org/, a neutral site in which users from all political persuasions post unanswered questions and evaluate their relevancy, might have neo-nazi persuations. RickaMaven started a thread posting questions that were prominent on this site receiving high support, whereas the questions the other user selectively posted were very anti-Semitic and received almost no support from the readers of http://www.unansweredquestions.org/. Yet this BOTL presented this very hateful content in an attempt to devalue Rick's source. I still wonder about this. But the level of righteous indignation that occured when I suggested that anyone supporting this hateful content might have neo-nazi tendencies was obscenely vicious. I may have been slightly suggestive that the other poster may have been among those supporters and repeat my apologies for that. But what reamins is why the level of indignation for raising this issue? Why would that be?? I'm still wondering about that.

The right wing media was up in arms with more righteous indignation when MoveOn.Com temporarily accepted a contest entry connecting Bush with Hitler. Of course MoveOn didnt create this content, removed it days after the controversy arose and this content didn't come close to Kerry's website. But would you be just as angry about George Bush displaying Nazi imagery in a negative ad on Kerry. ON HIS PRIMARY CAMPAIGN WEBSITE?? And where is the liberal media bias weighing in on this. Hardly a story anywhere on any news site ... But there it sits Hitler and Kerry on the same Bush for President attack ad.

Can you really condone this hypocricy?
Since when is it right that have double standards become so extreme?

Nothing personal to any of you. I know many of you may disagree with my thoughts but please at least keep this respectful ok.
bassdude Offline
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I do not care one way or the other if Kerry, Cheney or Bush let go with a few expletives. We all blow up at times. I would not expect it at a public forum or anything that had national exposure.

The only issue I had was when Kerry supposedly flipped off the Vietnam wack job at the memorial.
uncleb Offline
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WOW! I just thought this was funny. Lighten up you guy's. I think it's F'in funny when anyone of prominence accidently lets loose and shows their human. Hell, I admire it.
dbguru Offline
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Bassdude, on this one we are close. Perhaps the Kerry flip off incident would be equivalent to the Cheney incident. Did Kerry flip off a wacko vet? I still wonder why no major news organization including Fox News reported on the Kerry flip off story (just the extreme right wing sites) but the Cheney story is well covered from many press sources. I'd appreciate an update me if I'm wrong here.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that perhaps both sides makes too much of incidents like this. But that leaves that very offensive ad on Bush's website trying to equate Democrats to the raving irrationality of Hitler while portraying the Bush administration are cool, calm and collected. Cheney's outburst is just makes that offensive negative ad more of a lie. Par for the course, I guess....

DB
dbguru Offline
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Uncle.. the contrast between Cheney swearing (which on its own wasn't that big of a deal to me) and the ad posted on Bushes primary campaign website portraying the Bush admin as calm and cool but the Dems are raving hotheads like Hitler (which is pretty damn offensive but not getting any traction in the press) is just something I think needed to be pointed out.

I'm calm.. its Friday.. time for a premium cigar.
DB
Charlie Offline
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DB

No one really thought much of it since the vet was a whacko troublemaker;however, Dems pretty much get a pass on most misstatements, one way or another! I put forth the old gentleman/fool/(you choose your adjective) from West Virgina....Sen Robert "KKK" Byrd as prime example! He gets by with all kinds of statements!

Oh, and I agree we are all human and will err from time to time............so no big deal!

Charlie
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Charlie

some of us are more human then others.
sketcha Offline
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I can't even watch my tounge well enough here. In a confrontation, well...

I like people with a little fire.
CWFoster Offline
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OK DB, I confess that I probably expressed more indignation thatn I shoud have over the Kerry "flip-off" incident. But I see alot more coverage on the news abot Cheney's outburst, and there were no schoolkids present. I am reminded of a story...
Bess Truman was asked by a group of Washington socialites if she could get the president to stop using the word 'manure'. She replied "Why? It took me twenty years to get him to use THAT word!"
I can at least respect Cheney because he didn't immediate\ly crawfish and claim he was misunderstood, or that it depended upon your defininition of what the word yourself is, but said he had no regrets, and that it made him feel better. I know the feeling!
00camper Offline
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Some history on the subject of Congressional swearing from Bloomberg News...

Cheney's Profanity Continues Long Political Tradition (Update1)
July 1 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Vice President ****** Cheney's use of the F-word on the Senate floor last week is no anomaly in the halls of government.

Swearing, insults and fisticuffs have disrupted proceedings from England to Taiwan to the U.S. for centuries. The Earl of Sandwich preceded Cheney by more than 200 years when he uttered the F-word in Britain's House of Lords in 1783. Cheney used the profanity against Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont during a photo session on June 22.

As far back as 1798, U.S. Congressional decorum was breached by the likes of Representative Matthew Lyon, who spat tobacco juice into a critic's face. In 1925, Senator Richard Ernst described a colleague as a ``willful, malicious, wicked liar.'' Senator Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, continued the tradition in April, when he said Iraqi war supporters who send others to do their fighting were ``chicken hawks.''

``These periods of excessive partisanship and nastiness run in cycles,'' said Ross Baker, a professor at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, and author of ``Friend and Foe in the U.S. Senate'' in 1980. What was unusual this time is that ``the vice president was involved and it was reported,'' Baker said.

Cheney made his remark when the Senate wasn't in session, as senators gathered for their official photo. According to CNN, Cheney told Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, he was unhappy with the committee's investigation of the government's dealings with Halliburton Co., the Houston oil-services company once headed by the vice president.

In Private

Leahy responded that he didn't like the way some Republicans had criticized him for opposing Bush judicial nominees. ``Go f--- yourself,'' Cheney replied, CNN reported.

Two hours earlier, the senators had approved a measure stiffening fines against broadcasters airing indecent content.

Most of the time, politicians don't do their cursing in public. ``Everybody I've worked for has cussed all over the place,'' said Letitia Baldrige, an etiquette expert and a former social secretary in President John Kennedy's administration. ``But you do it in private -- you do not do it on the Senate floor.''

Not until the Supreme Court released the Watergate tapes was Richard Nixon's liberal use of expletives known. Robert Caro's biographies of President Lyndon Johnson revealed his fondness not only for profanity but for ordering underlings to talk with him as he sat on the toilet.

Civility is usually the rule in deliberative bodies. The Speaker of the UK's House of Commons routinely intervenes in debates to keep decorum, although actual swearing is rare. Erskin May's guide to parliamentary practice lists 45 words, including ``blackguard,'' ``cheeky young pup'' and ``swine,'' that are forbidden.

`Spitting Lyon'

To cool passions in the U.S. Senate, members are instructed to direct their speeches to the presiding officer and never refer to colleagues by name.

As president of the Senate, Cheney is supposed to enforce the chamber's code of conduct, Senate historian Richard Baker said. ``They've got to have that kind of control or it would turn into quite a chaotic place,'' he said.

Chaos has erupted at times. When South Korean President Roh Moo Hyun was impeached by opposition parties in March, his allies cried and protested as security guards dragged them out of the National Assembly room.

Taiwanese independent politician Lo Fu-chu in March was videotaped striking and pulling the hair of People First Party legislator Diane Lee.

Most U.S. examples of legislative assault aren't so recent. There was Vermont Representative Lyon, a Jeffersonian Republican subsequently known as ``Spitting Lyon,'' who launched a mouthful of tobacco juice into the face of Representative Roger Griswold, a Connecticut Federalist. The two then set upon each other, Griswold wielding a cane and Lyon fire tongs.

`Big Time'

In May 1856, Representative Preston Brooks, a South Carolina Democrat, repeatedly struck Senator Charles Sumner with a cane after the Massachusetts Republican insulted Brooks's relative -- also a senator -- in a floor speech on whether Kansas should enter the union as a free state. Summer suffered from headaches for years afterwards.

Most of the fighting among politicians is done with words. In May, a congressman and the presiding officer of the Philippine Congress kept telling each other to shut up, escalating their bickering until it delayed the official count of the presidential election.

The campaign trail occasionally catches candidates lapsing into the kind of talk usually missing from their stump speech. U.S. President George W. Bush, unaware of an open mike, called a New York Times reporter a ``major-league a--hole'' during a 2000 campaign stop. To which Cheney replied: ``Big time.''

Point Made

Joschka Fischer, now Germany's foreign minister, used the British variant of the Bush epithet early in his career when he told a political opponent, ``With respect, Mr. President, you are an arsehole.''

Some are more subtle. In 1925, Senator Richard Ernst, a Kentucky Republican, asked his colleagues if he could call Republican Senator James Couzens of Michigan a ``willful, malicious, wicked liar'' without offending them. When they said no, he sat down, having made his point.

Some senators gave up any pretense of civility. Virginia Senator John Randolph in the 1820s was a ``walking challenge to a duel'' and would bring his hunting dogs to the Senate floor, said Baker, the Senate historian.

While the dogs have been cleared from the Capitol, the rancor hasn't. Representative Patrick Kennedy, a Rhode Island Democrat, last week called Representative Randy Cunningham ``an idiot'' when he said the California Republican wanted to probe the 1969 car accident near Chappaquiddick Island involving his father, Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy. Kennedy's passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne, drowned.

Unlike most politicians in this story, Patrick Kennedy later apologized.

Cheney has given no indication he may do likewise. ``I expressed myself forcefully, felt better after I did it,'' he told Fox News on Friday.
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