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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jul 22 2004, 11:00 PM EST
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we are at war with terrorists. over 900 of our citizens have already died in viet iraq.

the unemployment rate is high. jobs are hard to come by. about 30% of our citizens live in poverty. children are graduating and can go to college even though they cannot read. our national debt is growing every minute. our race problems are not being solved.
someone in washington has outed a cia agent, a felony, but we can't find out who it is. north korea is thinking about the risk factors in starting a nuclear war. wal mart, the chinese outlet store, has destoyed many small towns. gas is over $2.00 a gallon. if you own a business, you can buy a humby or whatever that 6,000 pound tank is, and the government will give you a major tax break. the social security fund will soon go belly up, maybe.

and the congress is spending time worrying about a few hundred gays and lesbians who might want to get married.
JonR Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jul 22 2004, 11:14 PM EST
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Yo Rick:

So what's the problem?

JonR

Ps: I'll e-mail you later today.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 12:00 AM EST
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JonR

you books are ready, i have yet to dup the dvd's.
THL Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 5:53 AM EST
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Sheesh Rick, is your glass half empty, or what? You're harshing my buzz, man.
Everything will be perfect when Bush is gone. lol
EI Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 6:14 AM EST
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Rick, I admire they way you can still bash Bush without even saying his name. Must be hard for you to not type the letters B-U-S-H in your lie filled mis-informed slams
GYPSY Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 6:27 AM EST
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EI, Where are the lies you speak of. All of this is facts we see outside our windows everyday. If it's not outside yours, I guarantee it's on your tv. I don't see this as "Bush Bashing", it's just a reality check about the shape of our country. Time to wake people.
Herr Rabbit Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 6:45 AM EST
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Why are Gays the only group that claims special rights simply based on how they have sex?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 7:49 AM EST
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Herr Rabbit

i think the rest of us don't want anyone to know what we do when the shades are down. i don't.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 8:50 AM EST
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EI

first: this has nothing to do with george w bush except peripherally.

second: please point out my specific lies in my post.
CanyonDVM Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 10:13 AM EST
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900 of our citizens have already died in viet iraq

Every death tragic but this is really a low casuality rate. More of our citizens have killed eachother in the same time frame and at 900 a year if we prevent a 9/11 every 3 years we're ahead.

unemployment rate is high

About 5% nationwide, 3.5% in my area, so you have to be in the top 95% to get a job. Not all that hard a task

30% of our citizens live in poverty

The average person below the proverty line is there for less then 5 years and owns 2 televisons, has running water and electrocity. I think the number of those in poverty that own their own home is about half. 25% have a cell phone. Obesity, not starvation, is the biggest health problem. In a lot of the rest of the world this is wealthy.

children are graduating and can go to college even though they cannot read

Despite the fact that we are spend over twice as much per student, in inflation-adjusted dollars, as we were in the 1960's. Maybe the destruction of the family, and not money, is the problem.

national debt is growing every minute

A concern but relative to the GDP not that high, plus if you think it's high now, let a few more 9/11's happen

washington has outed a cia agent, a felony

A lot of felonies in Washington. this one is not a national crisis

north korea is thinking about the risk factors in starting a nuclear war

So we should preempt N Korea, which would make Iraq look like a cakewalk? They haven't attacked us last I knew.

wal mart, the chinese outlet store, has destoyed many small towns

Because people price shop. If they didn't Wally World wouldn't prosper. How many of you will pay a lot more for a product that is no better because it was made in the US?

gas is over $2.00 a gallon.

In inflation-adjusted dollars it was over $3.00 in 1983

business, you can buy a humby or whatever that 6,000 pound tank is, and the government will give you a major tax break

So lets go to a flat tax with a high stardard deduction. Only way to keep congress (the opposite of progress) from screwing it up. I don't want a HumVee either but in a 6 million page tax code there are to many holes to count.

social security fund will soon go belly up

So you can't trust the government to take care of you? What a shock. Maybe we should try to be responsible for ourselves.

congress is spending time worrying about a few hundred gays and lesbians who might want to get married

Where in the Constitution is Congress given any power over marrage? Maybe they should stick to the Constitution and stay the hell out of our lives, as much as possible. Most of your other concerns would probably disappear if they would do this. But we all vote for whatever crook promises the most, legal, moral, just or not!
uncleb Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 10:58 AM EST
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Wow! Such low standards to live by. How sad.

BTW- Last time I checked, Iraq had not attacked us either.
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 11:05 AM EST
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When the morality of the nation drops, folks blame Congress, so why shouldn't they "define" marriage?

When the "gay marriage" issue first started out here in Massachusetts (the gay state), I was all for it. I figured it would lend a sense of "normalcy" to their lives and allow many rights not currently obtained such as hospital visitation, inheritence, etc.

But when an alternative was offered via a Civil Union, the gay community was outraged rather than satisfied. It seems that their goal was not simply to gain the rights they deserve, but rather to Force their way into the general populus.

I don't care what people do in their own homes. Two guys, two girls, heck even 8 guys and a girl and a horse. It doesn't bother me.

But it isn't marriage.
BeatDragon Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 11:19 AM EST
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Harshing my buzz??????
Herr Rabbit Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 12:06 PM EST
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Hey Rick,

If Homo's have sex the same as everyone else, then they really don't need any special treatment, now do they?
THL Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 1:58 PM EST
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Yeah Beat, too many negative waves. OMMM OMMM It's tough being at one with the universe.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 2:01 PM EST
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CanyonDVM

rather then debate some of your points, i'll go with this:

"Where in the Constitution is Congress given any power over marrage? Maybe they should stick to the Constitution and stay the hell out of our lives, as much as possible."

you have hit the nail on the head.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 2:03 PM EST
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tailgater

what kind of horse, or perhaps a pony.
THL Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 2:42 PM EST
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Hey Rick! Where does the Constitution say anything about education? Or what store you can patronize? Or what car you can own? Or your earning potential? The fact is, we've fed this behemoth and asked it be pervasive. YOU ask the gov't to meddle in many areas outside of it's mandate. It shouldn't surprise you when it does.
Cavallo Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 4:29 PM EST
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what sucks is that gays and lesbians have kids, too. for all the talk of family values, THOSE families are not valued. civil unions don't provide MANY of the rights that marriage do, btw, and they do nothing to protect the kids of G/L parents.

personally, marriage should be the realm of religious institutions, and the government need not meddle in it whatsoever except to count the number of checked boxes by ___ MARRIED on their census reports.

the mixing of religious doctrine into national law i am absolutely opposed to.

it is not for the government to dictate what religions do and don't do.

we seem to not like that very much when the taliban does it. we don't need to taliban-ize our own country by forcing religion and government to be one and the same!
EI Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 5:57 PM EST
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Canyon Beat me to it Rick. He pointed out all the lies and mis information So I won't bore you with more facts because you wouldnt listen anyway
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 6:06 PM EST
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My point is simply that the gay community griped about certain restrictions to things that married couples took for granted.
When those items were offered up, they balked because it wasn't called "marriage".

The government is involved in marriages for tax purposes.
Why do you think a married couple (man and woman)get a tax advantage? Because the hope is that a marriage will promote a healthy family and the values/morals that will potentially result.

Why is poligamy outlawed? It's not like incest where you could argue that it's genetically dangerous to procreate.
But poligamy is specifically designated as illegal because of the moral implications.

Our government doesn't want to tell us how to live. But they do "promote" family values by using laws and tax incentives.

How much longer before three men want to "be married".
And by what justification will be able to deny it?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 23 2004, 7:45 PM EST
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tailgater

the term "family values" is a recent cliché invented by the christian right. it has no meaning.

my kids and their wives and toby and i are very together. if i used that phrase, they would wonder what the hell i was talking about.
CanyonDVM Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 8:10 AM EST
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Does a marriage have to be "consumated" to be legally binding? I assume not as impotent prople probably can get married. If that's the case can my son in the Navy marry all his friends so they can be on Navy health plans?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 8:27 AM EST
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CanyonDVM

specious response.

i expect better from you based on your past posts.
CanyonDVM Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 9:44 AM EST
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Sorry Rick, I'll try not to let you down in the future :-) For the record I don't think it's any of the governments business who I may want to marry or sleep with for that matter. However, if irresponsible behavior leads to pregnancy or disease, I think the prople that created the problem are the first one's that are responsible for solving it.
snowwolf777 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 11:55 AM EST
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Soon as Bush started building those Walmarts everything went downhill.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 2:03 PM EST
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CanyonDVM

i knew you wouldn't, and you didn't.

help yourself to a cigar in one of the humidors, and grab a beer, and we'll go outside and watch the smog.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 8:05 PM EST
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no Rick, you're wrong.
"family values" is something that has been around in America for years.
Well before my time, and even before yours.

The problem is, in our efforts to be all inclusive we have forgotten what true values are.

There once was a time when we celebrated the family. Now we attempt to redefine it.
My daughter couldn't make Mothers' Day cards in class this past year. It seems that one of her classmates was being raised by a same sex couple.
I blame the school for being so short-sighted, but I blame the current liberal notion in society that brought them to that decision.



RICKAMAVEN Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2004, 8:24 PM EST
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tailgater

why couldn't she make mother's day cards? what was the school's illogical, make that stupid, rationale.

your daughter doesn't need to deal with that, she should be dealing with her educaion.
CanyonDVM Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jul 25 2004, 5:49 PM EST
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Rick, great idea. AF Hemingway and Red Hook Ale. I'll enjoy.
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jul 25 2004, 7:27 PM EST
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The school felt that the act of making mother's day cards (in kindergarten, no less) would somehow "offend" or otherwise hurt the feelings of those children who may not have a mother.

I would have raised holy hell had it not been for the fact that my wife had just started working for the school.

And by the way, my same daughter's teacher was a jehovahs witness, and while the rest of the school decorated their rooms with holiday themes (halloween, thanksgiving, Christmas, etc) hers did nothing.

This is what we've become.
A society with no identity for fear of offending someone.
eleltea Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Jul 26 2004, 2:54 AM EST
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If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, et al hadn't been such right-wing Christian fundamentalist nuts, they would have written homosexual marriage rights into the constitution.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jul 26 2004, 4:25 AM EST
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eleltea

well they had no problem with miscegenation.
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