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Mrs Kerry: "Shove it!"
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Kerry's wife tells questioner to ‘shove it’
The Associated Press
10:36 a.m. ET July 26, 2004

BOSTON - Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-state delegates to the Democratic National Convention to restore a more civil tone to American politics, then minutes later told a newspaperman to “shove it.”

"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics,” the wife of Sen. John Kerry told her fellow Pennsylvanians on Sunday night at a Massachusetts Statehouse reception.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on what she meant by the term “un-American,” according to a tape of the encounter recorded by Pittsburgh television station WTAE.

Heinz Kerry said, “I didn’t say that” several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, “You said something I didn’t say. Now shove it.”
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I saw the video...funny flim-flam stuff. Birds of a feather.....
EI Offline
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No surprises here.
She would make a fine First Royal Dutchess of DC
xibbumbero Offline
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Good for her. That damn pestering con newsman got his come uppance,LOL. X
EI Offline
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Thanks X... I was wondering how the spin would work.
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BOSTON -- Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-state delegates to the Democratic National Convention to restore a more civil tone to American politics, then minutes later told a newspaperman to "shove it."
"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," she told her fellow Pennsylvanians at a Sunday night reception at the Massachusetts Statehouse.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on exactly what she meant by the term "un-American," according to a tape of the encounter recorded by Pittsburgh television station WTAE.

McNickle said the encounter also was witnessed by reporters for the Baltimore Sun, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Heinz Kerry said "I didn't say that" several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, "You said something I didn't say. Now shove it."

The Pennsylvania delegation was the first to be visited by the wife of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry. Before her encounter with McNickle, she criticized the tenor of modern political campaigns, without being specific.

"I remember a time when people in political parties in Pennsylvania talked to one another and actually got things done," said Heinz Kerry, whose first husband, Republican Sen. John Heinz of Pennsylvania, was killed in a plane crash in 1991. "We have to go back to those days when we can do things properly, for the people need it."

"My prayers for you, for me, for the country, for the world, are that we keep this at a high level, with dignity, with respect and with a great idealism and courage that took our forefathers to build this great nation," she said.

Heinz Kerry also acknowledged yesterday being nervous about her scheduled Tuesday night speech.

She said she had to practice "a speech that is written on the TelePrompTers, and I'm kind of dreading it, because I am generally unscripted."

Pennsylvania's delegation to the Democratic National Convention revived plans to attend the city-sponsored reception at the Massachusetts capitol only hours before Heinz Kerry's appearance, after the threat of union picketing by local police and firefighters faded away.

Previously, to avoid conflicts with the city police and firefighter unions protests, state party leaders had made plans to hold an alternate reception at the delegation's hotel. But they canceled the hotel event after the firefighters reached a contract accord yesterday.


Charlie Offline
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X LMAO at your spin response to this blow up by the gracious and lovely Mrs Kerry! For all of our sakes let us hope this witch is never a First Lady!

Charlie

PS No shock hers, as I would expect that kind of flip flop from the woman married to the supreme Flip Flop artist of our times!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Charlie

so the first lady after she said she was quoted and told the reporter who she said misquoted her to shove it, and for that she becomes your "witch." she is a flip flopper.

charlie, you are way too influenced by fox talking points and the rest of the BS put out by this administration. shame too see a person so blinded, that he will follow like a lemming. watch out for the cliff.

truly this one marks you as a blind sheep.

EI Offline
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But Rick she wasn't mis=quoted
she did say un-American
and was asked what she meant by that
A ligit question if asked of a republican wouldn't you say?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," she told her fellow Pennsylvanians at a Sunday night reception at the Massachusetts Statehouse.

I think the guy was looking for a little clarification, instead he gets clocked by the Ketchup Queen. I like the part where she yelled, "You said something I didn't say. Now shove it." then follows it up with this remark..."My prayers for you, for me, for the country, for the world, are that we keep this at a high level, with dignity, with respect and with a great idealism and courage that took our forefathers to build this great nation," she said.

Dignity...shove it! Sideways too...hold the Ketchup!

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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EI

i can't find anything about the quote the reporter wrote, which she challanged. your source is?
xibbumbero Offline
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If Laura Bush had said that to a lib newsman,the cons would have said WTG and you go girl etc. The responses by libs and cons shows the polarization that has taken place in the country. X
DrMaddVibe Offline
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LMAO!
Charlie Offline
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She did say exactly that and Rick, you are the blind sheep, following all of the liberal press and Michael Moore like they are the ultimate in right!

She could not possibly be any worse than Hillary Bitch was, so I recant on my statement about God Help us!

Doesn't matter, since she is a Democrat and no news organization would make an issue out of her "shove it" remark, but if lynn Cheney or Laura Bush had said that, ohmyGod!

Rick, the liberal views are well represented on Fox, more than I can say about Republican views on CNN.

C
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Read up Rick....

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/3576476/detail.html
xibbumbero Offline
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LMAO. X
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"IF"...still LMAO!
JonR Offline
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An excerpt from a teresa Heinz kerry speech:

"My prayers for you, for me, for the country, for the world, are that we keep this at a high level, with dignity, with respect and with a great idealism and courage that took our forefathers to build this great nation," she said.

" "our" forefathers to build this great nation"? teresa is of Portuguese decent and was raised in Africa. Does anyone even know if she is an American citizen, I couldn't find any proof.

JonR

Ps: OBTW if you don't like the tone of this reply than "SHOVE IT", our forefathers would be proud.
Charlie Offline
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Maybe one of our forefathers would have said, "Thou can shove it"! Rather than the rather crude statement of "shove it"! Doesn't matter, she will get a free pass on anything she says......after all, she is "one of us"!

Charlie
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EI

i will assume for this post she did say unamerican about something. so what. if the reporter person was in her face or mine, f off might have been a better response.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Rick watch the video. He's not grabbing her, or yelling at her. He's being polite and asking for clarification. Then she convolutes what he was asking into something else and wants to slit his throat for breathing the same air as her. Watch the video Rick.
donutboy2000 Offline
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The tape has been doctored by the vast right wing conspiracy and the conservative media. Look what happened to the Clintons.
mattmelcher Offline
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Is it just me or does it seem that this woman is on some serious medication? I saw her at an event in the Iowa caucuses and she did not seem 'all there' to me. I said to my friend she must have forgoten to take her meds that day. She just seems like she has adult ADD or something like that...
Cavallo Offline
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rick, it takes a ****** cheney to pull out the "f" word.

hmmm... does that make cheney a bitch, too?
tailgater Offline
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Rick, how unfortunate that you label Charlie as a lemming.
For doing so has strengthened your "anti-everything conservative" persona.
Charlie simply stated his opinion of the situation based on the information provided. You, on the other hand, quickly assumed the info to be false simply because it's not anti-bush.
Why are liberals who form opinions based on news considered well informed, while conservatives are lemmings?

I heard the tape of her quote. She says "un-American".

Sorry to ruin your day with facts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Cav, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Maybe ****** should've brought out his dueling pistols and settled it they way the politicians of old did. Lord knows, if he would've said something like that 200 years ago they would've, but this isn't about Cheney and what he said is it? Being able to disiminate the 2 people and the context of what they said is left to the messengers. 200 years ago the Ketchup Queen would've been buggy whipped in public for opening her mouth about matters that don't concern a women's intituition. We don't live 200 years ago. Instead we live in a digital age where pixilated images are broadcasted to us in real time with few commercial interruptions. I encourage you to watch the video as well. I didn't see any wrongdoing on the reporter's part. He was offering an out, or a chance to clarify the statements that were made. Instead I witnessed a rash immature elitist lose her cool when confronted with words that came out of her mouth. She tried to manipulate the situation and came at the reporter and tried to blame him for her words.
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DrMaddVibe

i did. i believe she was talking to a reporter which is completely different then what she said during a speech. any contact witha almost any reporter is always adversarial.

how do you feel knowing all your kids died in the fire.

how are you handeling your husband's execution last night.

did you mean to drown your kids in the bathtub.

"I remember a time when people in political parties in Pennsylvania talked to one another and actually got things done,"
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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mattmelcher

are you talking about laura bush who always looks as calm as i do after 10mg of valium.
Cavallo Offline
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DMV: i did watch the video. and i read the news story from the paper -- apparently the reporter accused of her of saying the procedings were "unamerican activities." that IS not what she said, and she took umbrage to her words being taken out of context.

also, apparently this reporter had been pounding away at the kerry family in some pretty nasty ways.

did she use the word "unamerican?" yes.

she should not have denied that part.

however, i've got a temper on me, and no matter how well-spoken i may be when i unleash it, i do know it's possible to have words fly out of my mouth in the wrong order or get flummoxed somehow and say words i truly did not mean in the heat of the moment.

i don't doubt that she meant to tell said reporter to "shove it," and in her shoes, i'd probably do the same. i do doubt, though, that she meant to deny using the word "unamerican" -- or at least i will be gracious enough to allow that she might have not said her complete thought ("i did not say unamerican activities" shortened to "i did not say unamerican...").

it's sad to see how some folks will have every possible excuse in the book for what their favorite pols do but will then turn around and fillet, insult, name-call and demonize others.

i'm not a bush fan by far, but i respect the office of the presidency enough not to mouth off and belittle the man for every "iffy" moment he has -- ditto with the first lady.

i'm also amazed at those who can applaud anne coulter -- one of the "bitchiest" (if we must use the term) and venemous women around -- and then point fingers at heinz-kerry for saying "shove it," which is certainly more genteel than much of what has come flying out of ms. coulter. yet, heinz-kerry is a "bitch" and ms. coulter gets a "thatta girl!" thumbs up.

sorry, but i'd like to see a little civility from those who point fingers and vilify others before i can take their venom for more than what it is -- pure pissiness.
JonR Offline
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Yo Cavallo:

"it's sad to see how some folks will have every possible excuse in the book for what their favorite pols do but will then turn around and fillet, insult, name-call and demonize others."

Read your own reply, you just did ! LOL

JonR

Cavallo Offline
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jon -- comparing heinz-kerry to ms. coulter, who has said worse things? which woman has used more venomous language? which woman does so on a regular basis?

heinz-kerry says one "shove it."
coulter has said so much more and so much more frequently -- but where's the criticism? where are the right-wingers calling HER a "bitch?"
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"unamerican activities." ?!? That's the rant that she ran up to the guy and CLAIMED he said! Turn up the speakers and listen to what he really said. Take a look at his body language. He's calm and looking for a legit answer to his question. In comparisson, she's rattled, edgy and appears like a rat backed into a corner! He didn't burn their kids or claim they ate them either. Does the truth in reality affect people so much when they see people they adore act like buffoons? Must be, because I KNOW what I saw, and I KNOW what I heard.
EI Offline
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Rick. You are an unbelivable enabler and apoligist.
She could have shot someone in the Boston Commons and you would blame the gun and the victim
Charlie Offline
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CAV

The left wingers call Ann Coulter a bitch all the time, and she is one hell of an agressive bitch, but not nearly as bad as Mrs Kerry!

C
Cavallo Offline
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charlie, i remember a time when gentlemen of any pursuasion wouldn't refer to a woman as a "bitch," period.

i prefer it that way.
bassdude Offline
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damn cavallo you must be really old. I think the term bitch has been around for eons. I also think it has been applied to some women for eons.

Now the term gentleman I believe is quite archaic and I am not sure it can be applied to very many these days.
Charlie Offline
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Cavello

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssseeeeeeee me all over! How about witch instead? Sounds a lot better to me!

Charlie
tailgater Offline
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Anne Coulter is a bitch.
Does that statement make Heinz/Kerry less of a bitch?

Coulter makes her living creating shock value because she's not terribly talented otherwise.

Ms. Heinz/Kerry speaks her mind.
For that I applaud. I do like her style despite the substance.
But to deny is simply her husband rubbing off on her.

Cavallo Offline
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tailgater -- that's more to the heart of the matter. thank you. i'd personally rather get to the substance of things rather than talk about who the bigger "bitch" is. others' mileage may vary.

charlie -- you're free to call her any name you choose. i see it as more a reflection on the name-caller, though, if that's the sum of your criticism.

i don't care to defend this woman's actions. imo, they're indefensible. however, i do care to get the facts straight before making a judgment of anyone.

it seems to me that she thought the reporter was accusing her of saying something she didn't say -- that SNIPPET of "interview" did NOT show the entire sequence of questions or events; the written article by the paper itself clarifies it differently and claims that the reporter asked about how the procedings here were "unamerican activities."

however, i think it was absolutely in poor taste for her to go out of her way to stomp over to the reporter and tell him to "shove it." again, it reflects more negatively on her for resorting to such dumb-a$$ actions and poor choice of words.
Charlie Offline
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CAV

It was even poorer (not a proper use of the term) taste for the "speechwriter" or "writers" who put together the diatribe she spoke last nite at the Convention.

Tailgater, you are so right about Ann Coulter, as she makes her living being a hard ass bitch!

What a joke, defending Theresa, I got a kick out of the reporter who said, "I was expecting her to break out in Don't Cry for me Argentina" during her speech!

Charlie
Intel Offline
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It is so sad that not all women in this country can't be quiet sheep following the lead of their man.
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If she cannot handle a reporter with grace and skill, then she needs to get out of the public eye....which she seems to enjoy.

There are plenty of examples of grace and class in our past First Ladies....Democrat and Republican alike. There is a level of class which the leaders and their spouses are supposed to uphold. She is lacking of the basics.
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Is there a ruder reporter than Sam Donaldson was? Which member of the political world ever told him to Shove It of F___ off in all those years?
Cavallo Offline
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bring back barbara bush! she is, by far, my favorite first lady. total class act (and a smith college grad) without being the least bit pretentious or snobby.

elel -- hey, i miss sam! i miss watching how twitterpated he'd get just before belting out "primetime... (gets all twitchy)... LIVE!!!" lol
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"Ms. Heinz-Kerry speaks her mind."

That's a good one. This being the same woman who was a Republican, married to a Republican politician, then changed to a Democrat when her gold-digger husband ordered her to.

She wouldn't allow 99% of the real Democrat base out there to clean her toilets, let alone talk to them.
Charlie Offline
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Gracious and great first ladies:
Roslyn Carter
Jackie Kennedy
Barbara Bush
Nancy Reagan
Laura Bush

In a class by herself, you rate her because I personally do not like her:
Hillary Clinton

Charlie
Cavallo Offline
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i really didn't like nancy reagan when she was first lady, but my respect for her grew quite a bit after the reagan presidency ended. when i saw her patting ronnie's casket at the funeral in CA, i had to excuse myself to get a tissue. had, um, allergies. yeah.
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