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Rigging the FL Vote in Bush's Favor?
Cavallo Offline
#1 Posted:
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hmmmm...

http://heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040723/NEWS/407230549/1060

"Questions were raised after Hood spent $150,000 on lawyers in an effort to keep the list secret. A judge ordered her to release the list July 1, and newspapers immediately began uncovering mistakes."



Voter-list controversy reaches Ashcroft's desk


The attorney general is urged to appoint a special counsel to investigate Florida election officials.

By CHRIS DAVIS and MATTHEW DOIG

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A national civil rights organization is urging Attorney General John Ashcroft to appoint a special counsel to investigate Florida's elections officials.

In a letter sent to Ashcroft Thursday, People for the American Way says state officials may have violated civil rights laws when they created a now-defunct list designed to purge felons from the voter rolls.

The letter to Ashcroft was sent the same day Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood called for her inspector general to review the entire database used to create the purge list.

That list included 22,000 black voters, who tend to vote for Democrats, and only 61 Hispanics, a key voting bloc for Florida Republicans.

Every vote in Florida could matter if this year's presidential election is as close as 2000. Bush won the state by 537 votes, and the win in Florida gave him the presidency.

The Herald-Tribune obtained a copy of the letter to Ashcroft at the same time it was being sent by courier to the attorney general's office Thursday night.

In it, People for the American Way questions Florida election officials' insistence that the exclusion of Hispanics was inadvertent and that the state's election experts simply forgot that it would cause problems.

"It strains credulity to think that a mistake of this magnitude was reported to state officials and was somehow forgotten or ignored for years … ," the group's president, Ralph Neas, wrote.

Officials in Gov. Jeb Bush's office did not return a phone call seeking comment. A spokesperson for Hood declined to comment Thursday about the letter to Ashcroft.

"We haven't seen that letter yet," Department of State spokeswoman Jenny Nash said. "Once we receive the letter through official channels, we will be happy to comment on it."

Hood's decision to get her inspector general involved is her boldest step yet in trying to determine what went wrong with the list. She ordered the inspector to review the entire database and to examine what her employees knew about potential problems.

"There's a lot of details that we don't know and we need to get a handle on it. I want the answers and I'm extremely concerned," Hood told the Associated Press Thursday.

But state Sen. Ron Klein, D-Delray Beach, said Hood's move falls short of what it will take to restore voters' confidence in Florida's election process.

"The secretary of state needs to be a little more responsive to the public and not pretend like there is nothing wrong here," Klein said.

He said he supports Neas' attempt to tap federal investigators.

Neas said Hood's in-house investigation won't convince voters that their election process is fair.

"This situation begs for an independent special investigation at the highest levels," he said. "Just having the Jeb Bush administration investigate itself, that's not going to pass muster."

The special counsel should investigate if the state violated civil rights by knowingly allowing "a racially discriminatory voting policy to move forward," Neas wrote. They also should determine whether such conduct has compromised past and present elections.

Under the statute governing the special counsel process, Ashcroft, a member of the president's Cabinet, could appoint counsel and recuse himself from the investigation.

People for the American Way will put pressure on Ashcroft by enlisting the help of its 675,000 "members and supporters" nationwide, Neas said.

The group could also get help from the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union, which joined with Neas' group to sue Florida for civil rights violations in the 2000 election.

Neas said he will send the letter today to the Democratic National Committee, the Republican National Committee and President Bush and ask for their support in getting a special counsel appointed.

The letter cites news reports showing that state election officials knew that Hispanics could be kept off the list in greater numbers as evidence that Florida may have violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Hood has repeatedly said that any discrepancy with Hispanic voters was unintentional.

But that hasn't quashed Democrats' allegations that Gov. Bush was trying to rig the election in his brother's favor. They point to what they see as mounting evidence that Gov. Bush's administration did more than make an honest mistake.

Questions were raised after Hood spent $150,000 on lawyers in an effort to keep the list secret.

A judge ordered her to release the list July 1, and newspapers immediately began uncovering mistakes.

Six days after the list was released, the Herald-Tribune reported that a flaw in the way it was created virtually ensured no Hispanic felons would get purged.

That disclosure ultimately led the state to scrap the list, which was part of the state's $2 million Central Voter Database.

Contrary to what election officials had claimed, the Herald-Tribune reported Tuesday that they had known for years that Hispanics could disproportionately be left off the purge list under the process they eventually used.

Officials with the private company that created Florida's 2000 purge list told the Herald-Tribune that they shared concerns over the use of race with state officials in 1997 or 1998.

They told state officials that race categories in the two databases used to generate the felon list were incompatible. One classified Hispanics as white, ensuring that Hispanics would be excluded if race was used to match people across databases.

This report includes material from The Associated Press
Homebrew Offline
#2 Posted:
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Are you really suprised???
I'm Not.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
bassdude Offline
#3 Posted:
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I am never surprised when I hear of this crap. Just take a look at MO and see what the friggin Dems did. All sorts of dead folks voting. Seems no one has a monoploy on this BS.
Homebrew Offline
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Your right Tony,
Let's see we agree, on cigars. Don't on politics, at least about the shrub. But we can totally agree about this. Two outta three ain't bad. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
bassdude Offline
#5 Posted:
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Meatloaf fan are ya??? I sent ya an e-mail.
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted:
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LMAO.......paranoia of the Democrats...

Charlie
Homebrew Offline
#7 Posted:
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Charlie,
Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Cavallo Offline
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charlie -- so berger, a dem, claimed a paper mix-up was accidental, and you say it was intentional.

then republicans in swing state FL, governed by the president's brother, kick out of this election a significant # of democrat voters and claim it was "an accident," you buy it.

why?
JonR Offline
#9 Posted:
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If Jeb Bush stole the 2000 Presidential election for his brother it proves two points:

1)That one Republican is moore powerful than the entire democrat party.

2) How weak and dumb the democrat party is.

If I was in that position I would certainly help my brother, family first always. But I guess some of you prefer strangers to family.

I would love to see a repeat performance but I expect GWB to soundly defeat mr. john heniz in November.

JonR
Cavallo Offline
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jon:

1) we're not talking about the 2000 election; this is about the 2004 election.

2) it's not about strangers over family; it's about the right to freely choose our leaders being guaranteed to all eligible americans -- not having that right taken away by the reigning royal family.

many americans died to give us that right and defeat that king's tyranny. would you have us go back to the days of king george and spit on the graves of those who fought and died for our freedom?

that you would choose to pull strings for family members while trampling roughshod over our country's hard-won freedom is very telling... and appalling.
THL Offline
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What's wrong with purging felons from the list? They say it included 22,000 blacks and 61 hispanics. What about other demographics? They aren't talked about because there's no group lobbying for them. I want to see all of the numbers, not just tallies that are reported in such a way as to deceive the gullible.
And how did these felons get voting priveledges to start with? Could it be a vast LEFT WING conspiracy?
Homebrew Offline
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Hey THL,
I too would like to see all of the numbers. If you know the demographics of Florida, much higher hispanic population than black, these numbers are definately suspect.
As for Felons Voting, Usually, when a convicted Felon, regains the right to vote, they have petitioned the Judge, who convicted them, to reinstate their voting privleges. They have usually completed their sentace, and it is up to that judge, to decide whether or not to reinstate them. It happens every day, in our great country.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Charlie Offline
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Next they will be crying because Martha Stewart cannot vote......she is a convicted felon who happens to be a Democrat! Commit a felony and loose your right to vote...law of the land isn't it?

Charlie
THL Offline
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If you haven't had your voting rights re-established, you can't vote, unless you vote Democrat, of course. They're talking about illegal voters, not rescinding previously restored priveledges.
eleltea Offline
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Why not just give Kerry the Florida vote now? I am all for it if Real President Gore and his fans will promise to STFU!
JonR Offline
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Yo Cav:

"jon:

1) we're not talking about the 2000 election; this is about the 2004 election.

2) it's not about strangers over family; it's about the right to freely choose our leaders being guaranteed to all eligible americans -- not having that right taken away by the reigning royal family.

many americans died to give us that right and defeat that king's tyranny. would you have us go back to the days of king george and spit on the graves of those who fought and died for our freedom?

that you would choose to pull strings for family members while trampling roughshod over our country's hard-won freedom is very telling... and appalling."

Okay Cav:

Lets talk about what you stated.

It's true all eligible voters have the right to vote, however it's also the right for others to question their eligiblty, and then for the courts to decide who is right.

As for your term "reigning royal family", well America had only one of those, you remember the "kennedys camelot" although what we now know about fornicators jack and bob it should have been called "****-alot".

I never would spit on anyones grave although I wouldn't mind taking a crap on some of my enemies graves, LOL.

What do think those that died fighting king george, " no taxation without representation...got tea", would think of all the taxes we pay today and the people that represent us today?

OBTW I gave 4 years of my life ( Marines 61-65 ) to protect "OUR" freedom and I'm proud to say not once in those 4 years was "OUR" country attacked, so I must have done my job.

And lastly about "pulling strings for family". My family comes first even before me, would I pull strings for my family so that they could be better off, damn right I would. If you find that appalling, well that's your problem not mine.

JonR
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I agree with those who say that the vote of every eligible voter should count throughout the country. However, the voter himself bears some responsibility for being sure his vote counts. Voters everywhere should be familiar with the ballot before they enter the voting booth. Voters everywhere should be familiar with how the voting machines in their counties work and should ask questions BEFORE going into the voting booth.

Some of you think that the election was stolen by republicans in Florida. That's baloney and you all know it. The voters in Florida did this to themselves by not being fully informed. If they had taken time to study the ballot and learn how to use the voting machines their votes would have been counted.
Cavallo Offline
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i don't think some of you are understanding this.

this is not about FL 2000 -- this is about FL 2004. the past is the past -- stick a fork in it; it's done.

this is not about wanting felons to vote -- it's about wanting ALL felons (not just black democrats) to be forbidden to vote.

what's happening is that the hispanic republican-voting felons are STILL being allowed to vote. only black dem-voting felons are (rightfully) being purged.

jon: semper fi. thank you for serving your country.

i believe strongly in helping family (and friends), too -- but NOT if it means breaking the law to do so. THAT is what i find appalling -- you served to uphold the constitution, but would you then desecrate the constitution for a family member? for anyone? that i do not understand.

you should know, for perspective, there are members of my family who i have had nothing to do with for years because of their involvement with the mafia. blood or not, i love justice far, far more than i love (or even like) some of these blood relations.

i believe in this country and the principles of freedom upon which it was founded. in this case, freedom to vote is being given to a group who LOST that privilige when they became felons.

convicted felons should not be allowed to vote, according to the law of this land. but that needs to apply to ALL felons -- not just those who might vote against the FL governor's brother.

kapice? :)
tailgater Offline
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Liars, damn liars, and statiticians.
In that order.

How many of the convicted felons would actually vote even if given the chance?

When given the statistics regarding blacks voting democratic and latinos voting republican, are we talking about the general populus, or the convicted felons?
Because it seems to me that convicted felons of any race would tend to migrate towards the democratic party.
It's the liberals who want more comfortable prisons.
Who want kinder sentences.
Who want to legalize drugs.
Who want to crimalize guns (convicted felons would likely have an illegal gun, and would also like the citizens unarmed).

Please don't offend the law abiding citizens of color who live in florida by grouping them in with convicted felons who happen to share their race.

Cavallo Offline
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tailgater: "How many of the convicted felons would actually vote even if given the chance?"

AGAIN: this is not ABOUT wanting convicted felons to vote! JUST THE OPPOSITE.

this is about making sure that ***ALL*** convicted felons are EQUALLY NOT PERMITTED TO VOTE. it is about applying this law EQUALLY.

are you against this somehow?

please address THE POINT: what is wrong with wanting the law to be applied equally?? what is wrong with wanting EVERY convicted felon to be PREVENTED from voting, in compliance with the law of this land??
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DER... Lets say Florida All of it was tossed out... who woulda won??? cry baby SOB's.... and then lets count all the over sea's ballots that were dismissed by the DEM's because they arrived to late or just plainly did not want to be counted??? Bottom Line Al Gore Sucks and so didn't William Jefferson Clinton who took this Country to the Toilet with his don't ask don't tell/ I didn't inhale/ a **** is not Sex theories!!!!!!!!!! meanwhile this country was the laughing stock of the whole world and then 911... while berger was stuffing his friut of the lumes with Top Seceret documents... something benidict arnold did and paid for... RDC posted the correct Florida Ballots for 2004.. read em and weep because surly enough the Dems will bitch about the color coding if there not filled in by the time the polls close at an extended 11:00 pm eastern time here or there!!!!

Hog
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CAV, every convicted Felon Willy Boy let off in 2000 prior to GWB taking office will be voting this next time around... how many was that?? Memory fails me... 124??? you tell me???

Hog
mattmelcher Offline
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Cav-

'hispanic republican-voting felons'
'black dem-voting felons'

How can you even say that? Were they polled? To assume that the felon voting block can be counted on to swing an election is preposterous. When allowed to vote, felons vote approximately 69 percent Democratic, according to a study in the American Sociological Review. (from dave kopel's website)

'this is not about FL 2000 -- this is about FL 2004. the past is the past -- stick a fork in it; it's done.'
I agree with you here; unfortunately it is the point of reference we have to work with.

My questions are: With all the stink the democrats are raising reagrding the upcoming florida election, what happens if kerry wins the state by a small margin? Or, how big of a margin would bush have to win by for them to be satisfied there was no funny business?

I'm kind of afraid we may be sitting here next December+January waiting for the Supreme court to tell us who won the election just because of lawsuits from any state that has a close election.
dbguru Offline
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Its simple...
The GOP's win in Florida never rose above shadows of doubt. Two reasons why.
1) The Supreme Court selection never dealt effectively with these doubts.
2) Gore decided that dropping the issue was politically better than pursuing very disenfranchisment civil rights lawsuits for months/years after the inauguration.

The fundamental feeling about voting rights run very deep emotionally and there is no way many will ever forget perceived injustices in the florida 2000 election. Now we have addition evidence of problems with Florida voting. Something is extremely fishy down there

Here is a recent story:
http://www.news4jax.com/politics/3495828/detail.html
DrMaddVibe Offline
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If Gore was really serious about a recount he would've asked for one for the ENTIRE state and not just traditional Democratic counties.

Now...let's hear about those overseas military votes that were NEVER counted! Want to talk about disenfranchised voters!
Cavallo Offline
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i'm disregarding any questions/comments about 2000 Fl elections -- it's not what's at stake here. fuggedabowdit.

hog: clinton did what he did; that's history, too. i don't want convicted felons who lost their voting priviliges due to their criminal acts to be eligible to vote -- period. the election officials of FL were trying to sneak in a buttload of hispanic felons, who DO traditionally vote republican, giving them the okay to vote.

that's what's upsetting.

except, oops, that was an accident. they forgot it was illegal. slipped their minds that it would be a problem. seems like reps are no better than berger when it comes to such oops-it-was-an-accident incidents. where's the republican outcry?

matt: hispanics in FL traditionally vote republican -- felon or not. how does your "all felon" statistic break down racially? how many of that 69% are non-hispanic white? black? latino? other?

FL is a state with a huge hispanic population. but only 60 some hispanic felons in the entire state were purged from the voting rosters. 22,000 black felons were purged. if this were the other way around republicans wouldn't be upset? please.

but ya know, fuggedabout the party affiliation thing -- aren't any of you bothered that ANY convicted felon would be allowed to vote? what if all those 22,061 convicted felons were to vote DEMOCRAT? they shouldn't be voting AT ALL!
Charlie Offline
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Cav

Why the hell don't you give up on this silly non issue and move to something important....such as, when will Theresa Heinz speak next!!!@ LMAO

Charlie
tailgater Offline
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Cav,
You are correct.
If we all agree that felons shouldn't vote, then ALL felons shouldn't vote. Regardless of race.

Now, what's your point?
I don't think anybody here claimed otherwise.
So what's your point?
Felons likely have an extremely low voting percentage, regardless of race.
So, again, what's your point?

In case you didn't catch on, I don't know what your point is/was....

Thanks.
Cavallo Offline
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lol ah, charlie, god lova ya. i'm done here. done with teresa (why did she keep her last husband's name) heinz-kerry, too. time for a good smoke and then a nap!
EI Offline
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because she didn't wanna be known as Terry Kerry
EI Offline
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and if he were to win that would be scary Terry Kerry
EI Offline
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do south african women shave their pits?
If not it would be Hairy Terry Kerry
EI Offline
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and reporters have learned not to parry with Terry Kerry....
Somebody take the keyboard away from me I am outta control
usahog Offline
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Cav, Why did she make JFK sign a PreNup???

Smart Woman???

and what Clinton did is not over... he gave cleminsy (sp) with that some of these Felons can and do hold offices in government along with allowed to vote which today effects the Eco system of the entire Constitution... LOL

but you have to go with TailGator on this one...

now back to Dr's question.. what about the cast out military absentee ballots??? Ok enough already... lets see if them Vietnam Vets and other Veterans get to cast their votes in this election...

Hog
Cavallo Offline
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my point: election officials allowing hispanic (traditionally republicans) felons to vote is wrong.

you're the first person to post and actually agree that it is wrong, but only after post after post of folks seeming unable to ADMIT this whatsoever. what is THAT point? are republicans unable to admit when their party does something wrong?

all the arguing to shoot this fact down looks like tacit support of that wrong action.

"they were allowing felons to go ahead and vote..."

"but the democrats cried foul in 2000!"

"yes, but in THIS election..."

"look what those bastiges did in 2000!"

"right, but in 2004..."

"clinton sucks!"

"okay, but what about in 2004..."

"paranoid libs!"

*sigh*

are folks incapable of saying "that was a bonehead move on their part" when it comes to republicans? is it hip-hip-hoorah republicans even when committing illegal acts?

i'm a democrat, or at least i've always voted democrat (i have abstained when i could not in good conscious vote for either candidate). when someone high up in my party pulls crap like that, i am OUTRAGED. it wouldn't even occur to me to try to DEFEND their actions when they're clearly wrong.

the posts here lead me to think that republicans will spin, ignore, blame others and point fingers or do whatever necessary to defend their party, and it doesn't matter if they're doing something blatently illegal... and then, of course, just turn around and say, "but the democrats..."

someone said it well before: 2 wrongs DON'T make a right.
JonR Offline
#36 Posted:
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Yo Cav:

"someone said it well before: 2 wrongs DON'T make a right."

True, but:

1 wrong + money + power = 1 right

JonR
Charlie Offline
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Cav

Keep right on banging that drum. You are beginning to sound like Lanny Davis or Didi Myers!

Charlie
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#38 Posted:
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Its simple...
The GOP's win in Florida never rose above shadows of doubt. Two reasons why.
1) The Supreme Court selection never dealt effectively with these doubts.
2) Gore decided that dropping the issue was politically better than pursuing very disenfranchisment civil rights lawsuits for months/years after the inauguration.

The fundamental feeling about voting rights run very deep emotionally and there is no way many will ever forget perceived injustices in the florida 2000 election. Now we have addition evidence of problems with Florida voting. Something is extremely fishy down there - dbguru

OK, let's do a reality check here! GWB won in Fla by a margin of 500+ votes. Real close right? Maybe Gore would have won by a hundred or two if Hispanic felons had equally been barred, hard to say.
NOW lets try to estimate how many votes we would have to trash because they were bought by a DNC campaign worker in Minnesota by buying cigareetes for homeless people (admitted to on camera by the perpetrator on election day! she was proud of the idea!) I also heard of the entire population of a State School and sanitarium that was of voting age who had all been registered, and got taken to vote! now you may say that is their right, but what about the ballots that were given to them already being filled out to vote for Gore (in VA)? What about an elderly lady I heard from who was given a baollot the already had a punch for Gore (in VA) vote for Gore, no problem, Vote for Bush =double vote= thrown out. This woman caught it, how many didn't? So don't act like the Republicans are the sole villans in this comedy of errors! Florida is not in a vacuum! The Democrats continual harping on this makes me sick, not only because they DO have valid points, but they act like their hands are as clean as the driven snow! HORSE HOCKEY! Sheer hypocracy! The (mostly military and Republican) absentee vote didn't even get counted in many states! Tese would have more than offset whatever corrections the Democrats might think would have been needed in Fla! Like Cav said stick a fork in it! If the Supreme Court hadn't stepped in, they would STILL be there arguing about hanging chads! But before you come around me talking about the "appointed president" and the "stolen election" you'ld better make damn sure your OWN party is cleaned up! Before you talk about the reigning royal family, study the close election between Nixon (the REAL winner) and Kennedy! The margin was less than the number of votes that were later found to be cast by dead people in Chicago (1960's version of Fla) and Nixon had already long conceded. OH YEAH Mayor Dayly "appointed" that president, and Dayly's SON was Gores campaign manager! so much for "accidents" BTW, you notice that ALL the counties that iniatially reported problems with voter confusion in FLA were the ones run by Democrats? If the Democrats can't run thieir own precincts, whose fault is that? So no, the Republicans aren't prefect, but Saint Al aint either, so put a sock in it!
dbguru Offline
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CW you assert The Democrats continual harping on this makes me sick, not only because they DO have valid points, but they act like their hands are as clean as the driven snow!

Your assertion of Dems acting like their hands are clean in Y2K election controversies is nothing but a judgement and opinion on your part to which I see no factual evidence for support. Where did you get that opinion? What influenced you to come to that opinion?
(Which neo-con radio show was it on??)

The controversy in the 2000 election will never go away because in many peoples mind's it was an erosion of our democracy that scares the living hell out of them (me too). I say that without regard to whose party is affected. Saying that it makes you sick that people out their feel their rights to vote were violated is the root of destuction of that right to vote. If the "continued harping" that makes you sick, you'll be sick to your death bed on this one. The alternative may be to appreciate and understand the feelings of those who are disenfranchised. Disenfranchisement is nothing more than a form of taxation without representation and that's why we kicked the British out in the 1780s.

Still sick that some keep harping on people being disenfranchised? Maybe we should have kept King George. (oh I forgot.... you guys had your own King Goerge selected by the high court to the throne on 1600 Penn Ave..)

Oh well.... Have a nice weekend!
DB
JonR Offline
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Yo dbguru:

You fascismo-libs are all alike, piss and moan and piss and moan. You have to cut and paste another fascimo-libs thoughts because you know your own thoughts carry no weight.

JonR

Ps: Say hello to your cousin baghdad bob for me.

Charlie Offline
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Does that mean Baghdad Bob would be BagBobGuru?

C
dbguru Offline
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JON R continues to be ignored since he ignores the truth around him....

He resorts to childish name calling and cartoons like Bagdad Bob... Tactics of a loser!!!

I name sources if the opinions aren't my own...


RICKAMAVEN Offline
#43 Posted:
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dbguru

"He resorts to childish name calling and cartoons like Bagdad Bob... Tactics of a loser!!! "

not only "he" but most of his ilk!





jjohnson28 Offline
#44 Posted:
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"not only "he" but most of his ilk!"

Poor Rick...sniff...LOL

Hi Ya Rick,since the political season is once again upon us,I may have to pop in here a bit more often to get a laugh from time to time.You and this dbguru sleigh me...LOL
JonR Offline
#45 Posted:
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Yo Rick:

"GOT ILK" ?

:^P

JonR
Cavallo Offline
#46 Posted:
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they sleigh you? why, rick and db look NOTHING like santa claus! :)
jjohnson28 Offline
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Danny Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 06-21-2002
Posts: 613
truthfully, when I hear people say, "that's old news, get over it!", it makes me sick. It isn't possible to get overit if you love freedom and democracy. The screwing up of the electoral process isn't supposed to be something that can happen in the United States like we're some kind of banana republic. It doesn't make it "OK" because your candidate benefitted from it. A true American patriot of any political persuasion should be outraged that such a thing should have happened in America.
JonR Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Danny:

It was a fair election, the courts said so, are you above the courts of this land.

JonR

Ps: Get over it.
Danny Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 06-21-2002
Posts: 613
Jon, clever turn of a phrase. Other than that, your question "am I above the courts" is silly. Of course I'm not. It was a 5-4 decision based totally upon partisanship, and I know you're smart enough to know this. Nice try. Had the courts makeup been a majority of Democrats, Al Gore would be POTUS today. Do you believe otherwise? Now having said that, I realize that the makeup of the Supreme Court is largely responsible for the majority of the decisions that are handed down from it. But the presidential election is way to important to be decided by the political affiliations of a 9 member panel. I believe that history books, years from now will point to the event as an affront to the electorate and democracy as long as history is being taught in school.
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