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JonR Offline
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http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc82.htm

FINALLY !!!!

JonR
pabloescabar Offline
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jonR you da man, no matter what Rick say's about you's.
bassdude Offline
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Kerry the shammer.

Danny Offline
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not really very credible is it?
Danny Offline
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this is how they hype themselves:

"Regnery Publishing is the leading conservative publisher in America"

how about an unbiased source for this info?
bassdude Offline
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Danny wake up. kerry was not very well liked in the military or the Senate actually all of his life. Step into your local VFW or American Legion and ask the old folks in there who they are voting for. Maybe one of them will take some time and explain it to ya.

He was definitely a shammer and still is.
Danny Offline
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how about citing specific examples? these broad generalizations seem very hollow and baseless. I'd be very open to specifics.
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

"how about citing specific examples? these broad generalizations seem very hollow and baseless. I'd be very open to specifics"

Take a nap and sober up, then "READ" what is on the website. Eight men that served with kerry said #1 and #2 purple hearts were won by self inflicted wounds. The book is #2 on the bestsellers list and it won't be out till the begining of August.

JonR
Danny Offline
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sober up? nice! look pal, anything published by Regener has to be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that it's on the best seller list really means a lot too....so is Daniel Steele. The fact the you cite from their web site at all speaks volumes about your agenda. Find an independant source for corroboration of the story and it'll have merit...otherwise it's just neo-con crap, and easily recognizable as such by anybody interested in seeking factual info.
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

kerry hasn't tried to stop the book from being published. When the book comes out in August, we will see if kerry sues for slander and defamation of character ( The only way kerry could get character is in a seringe like his botox). If he doesn't sue that in itself will validate the book.

JonR
usahog Offline
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David Horowitz
DAVID HOROWITZ is a nationally known author and lifelong civil rights activist. Previously a long time founder of the New Left movement in the 1960s, he has gone on to pen numerous books, including The Politics of Bad Faith, The Art of Political War and Radical Son, his autobiography. Since 1988 he had served as president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, a vehicle group for his campaigns and his online newsmagazine FrontPageMag.com.

To read an extended biography, please click here.

Not only is Mr. Horowitz a respected author, he is also a much-sought-after commentator, either in broadcast (Fox News, C-SPAN, Nightline), over the internet (Salon.com) or in print.

And Now the Rest of the Story...

usahog Offline
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The Biggest Liar of Them All
By David Horowitz

Now we can understand why Democrats spent the last year attacking the President as someone who lied to take America into an unnecessary war and destroy brave young American lives for his corporate friends in Texas. They did it to disarm and anesthetize us, to deconstruct the very idea of what truth is or what a fact is or what is is -- and prepare us for the most shameless charade in political memory, the phoniest convention for the phoniest party ever to mount an American electoral stage.

In Boston the Democrats -- the party of Al Sharpton, Jimmy Carter, Teddy Kennedy and Michael Moore -- presented themselves as the party of patriotism and military glory and American military strength, and John Kerry as a man whose life has been one long preparation to be commander-in-chief. "I am John Kerry," he saluted his audience to begin his convention speech, "reporting for duty." Pardon me while I hurl. This is a man who came back from Vietnam to stab not only his country but his comrades-in-arms in the back. This is a man who to this very day has an honored place in the Communist enemy's "War Crimes Museum" -- that's American war crimes. This is a party and a wannabe commander in chief that has clamored and voted to oppose America's wars in Vietnam, the Persian Gulf and in Iraq. This is a party and a commander in chief that lent comfort and aid to Communist dictators in Central America during the last years of the Cold War and nearly brought the Reagan presidency down for attempting to oppose the Communist tide.

This is a man and a party that voted to cut America's military and its intelligence services year after year, a man and a party who refused to institute the security measures that would have prevented 9/11. And this is a man and a party that has sabotaged the war on terror since the day Baghdad was liberated, that has embraced the reprehensible traitor Michael Moore, and the antiwar left of the Dean campaign, that has spread monstrous lies about its commander in chief and and in doing so undermined the nation's credibility and defenses. If another terrorist state were to become a threatening nuclear force (Iran comes immediately to mind) what American president can now face that enemy down with a credible military threat?

This is a party that from the beginning to the end of its convention pretended to be what it is not. And that is because it fears that American people already know what it is.

How did I do for Unbiased Opinion and another source?

Hog
usahog Offline
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/29/85747.shtml

http://news.bostonherald.com/dncConvention/view.bg?articleid=37880

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html#jkerry

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html#gbush

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/30/103803.shtml

No Matter how much the Truth is told, or Facts shown.. you cannot lead the Blind to See!!!

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Danny

hold fast!
usahog Offline
#15 Posted:
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Yea Danny... Hold This...

Hi Rick ;0)~~~

Hog
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This is a great quote:

"He was definitely a shammer and still is."

What is so great about is, that in the context of this presidential race, it applies to both candidates.
Danny Offline
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nothing Newsmax presents can be considered unbiased. Hog----hold what? My belief that debaters should be willing to cite their sources? Sources cited from publications representing specific political slants aren't credible. I'm interested in the truth, and the truth isn't defined by your choice of beliefs or mine. A little research done, and voila, a point becomes credible. Without it, it's just bluster.
usahog Offline
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Danny... Same old song and dance... bias'd unbias'd media links... you want to read th truth yada yada...

here's some truth for you...
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes

18 members who served with JFK during his short tour in Nam and then what he did after his tour... Fair and Balanced TRUTH... and this man wants to be the Commander 'N' Chief??

I feel for my Fellow Veterans.. I also feel for our Great Nation if this happens....

the "Hold This" is you holding your warped thoughts and denials to the real truths... Your telling others to post correct links that you can read.. how bout you post something truthfully good that we can absorb??

Hog
Charlie Offline
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Gee Danny would you consider Moveon.org as a credible source.......yeah, I think so, but when hog comes up with something that moveon.org would never print, it is crap....my my...shame on you!

Why don't you try and convince us that Gore won Florida after all the counts, recounts, etc...that is a really big story! LMAO

Charlie
Danny Offline
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every one of those guys is pissed off about his testimony as an anti-war activist after he got home. It's all about that, and he had a right to his opinion. He had just as great a right to protest the war. This is a democracy. You and they have the right to hold his view against him. It eventually became a reflection of the majority of the nations view and the war was abruptly ended....remember? There are always going to be those who hold the Vietnam era protesters in contempt...big deal. You should be able to see both sides of this issue.
Danny Offline
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I've never cited anything from moveon.org. Never will. I'm no hippocrite. I'm interested in facts, not opinions. How about you? BTW, just as a matter of interest, who controlled the way the Florida results were ultimately considered?
usahog Offline
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Oh Wait... your saying 18 Veterans are lying about their missions and John Kerry is the only one carrying the Truthfull Torch here?? many of these guy's were high ranking commanders at the time of these missions.. others ran their own boats on missions.. but yet 18 down over 1... no Danny Boy your one of the few the less informed.. the one who wakes up with an agenda...

as far as your second post.. thats off topic to this thread JonR started here.. learn to stay on course with the postings....

now how bout some of your great truthfull links?? shall we set a date?? lets see.. give you till the end of October to come up with some good informative non bias links that hold the truth???

HA HA
Hog
Danny Offline
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nobody said anybody lied. Your comprehension of the written word is suspect. I merely pointed out that their lack of regard for Kerry is based upon his anti-war stance at the time. Isn't that the case?
usahog Offline
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ah, awake are we Dan??

Good.. so John Kerry Demoralized this Nation 30+ years ago.. and your saying/thinking is he's Ok Now and wont demoralize it for another 4 yrs if he gets in office? that he lied before but has learned his lesson??

I'll stick to the facts of the matter.. the fact is we have two running for office who to ask many or anyone neither can be trusted... what I have seen from listening to Kerry and reading what is out in the papers and looking at his Senate voting record over the years.. and making my own opinion of this falsified individual.. he is out for #1 John Kerry and he will take down whatever it be to keep that #1...

Sorry I'll put my vote in the other bad apple who I have served under and understand the meaning of War on Terror... Iraqi Freedom... America... you know the common things that the Bush Administration has been staying the course with?? so you vote your apple and I'll vote mine... in the meantime I hope you can sleep well at night knowing your voting for a man who sold out Millions of Veterans in 1971 and has done it all along for 19+ yrs through the Senate and surly will stay his course if he makes it to Commander 'N' Chief of this Nation.. and with this thought if he sells out the Veterans at this level what happens to America as we know it???

I feel your Pain Danny Boy!!!!

Hog
Danny Offline
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do as you wish. You respond to whatever floats your boat. Where is the evidence of his lies. What are you specifically calling a lie. And why is it you can't debate a single idea without attempts at demeaning the other guy, which actually only demeans you? Present yourself however you wish obviously, but you are a classic.
usahog Offline
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You are not the first to call me a classic...

you don't want to read his lies.. you want to live in your world...

LMAO!!!!
Hog
Danny Offline
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The truth of the matter is also that a significantly large enough percentage of citizens came to feel as John Kerry did about the Vietnam War, that Nixon had no choice but to end it as best he could. That isn't demoralization, it's persuasion. And he was just one voice. He certainly didn't do it by himself. Are you saying that it was a bad thing to end the war in Vietnam?
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If he lied, you should state them. You don't know me well enough to know what I want. If you can produce his lies, and not your opinions, I'd definitely want to see them.
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I have heard the reports that several servicemen claimed that Kerry's wounds were self inflicted. That's a mighty bold accusation. His shipmates, in other articles, who actually served on his patrol boat disagree and claimed that the accusations were made by a group of veterans whom never served with Kerry.

It's a pretty high acusation....I am not for Kerry in the least...but I am against one sidedness. the Drudge reports rarely leave room, nor report, two sides of any point.

Dig around a little and you'll see both sides of the coin.

Like I said...I would be first to bash Kerry if given the chance. But I don't think his war record is one of those areas.

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http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000024724

Rayder1 these were his own shipmates and crew along with his commanding officers who just held a confrence/convention blocks away from the DNC last week didn't you hear about this going on???

Hog
Danny Offline
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you know you really take a lot of liberty with the truth. When you say serving with him, you must mean people who were over there at the same time. As far as I can tell, there isn't one signature on that list from someone who actually served along side of Kerry. There are plenty of Vietnam vets who are pissed off at Kerry for his anti-war stance at that time. There are plenty of others who agree with him. The former Joint Chief Of Staffs supports him presently. He is a former Vietnam vet also. That's impressive.

Your list of web sites is nothing more than testimonials of people who don't like his politics.

Yawn.
Charlie Offline
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Danny

To borrow a line from a Jack Nicholson flick, "Truth, you can't handle the truth"!

Charlie
Danny Offline
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nice, but you'd have no way of knowing that until you figure out the difference between opinions and facts
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I don't thing 4 months is called "serving your country"!

19+ years without a single bill of significance with your name as the author is yet another sign that he isn't fit to be Commander-In-Chief.

The bills he's voted for(when he DOES show up to do his elected J-O-B!) is a real mixed bag of giveaways to the wrong issues and takeaways from valid ones. I'd suggest YOU do your homework on Kerry. You don't make Teddy Kennedy and Hillary Clinton appear moderate for no apparant reason!

There isn't a substitute against GW in this race to make me not stay the course with the man that's there now!
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

Your statement:

"As far as I can tell, there isn't one signature on that list from someone who actually served along side of Kerry."

Well then danny boy since your privy to the names of "ALL" the people that served with kerry post them now or admit your full of crap and STFU.

JonR
Danny Offline
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The people that were on the swift boat with him were on stage with him at the convention weren't they? Thought that was the case. What the hell do you know different...or stfu
Danny Offline
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Smoking a Gol right now Johnny Boy. Thanks.
Charlie Offline
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At least you have good taste in cigars.. I happen to think Brazila's are great!

Charlie
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

Well then at least tell us the names of the people from the swift boat that was on stage with kerry, you do know at least that much, don't you, or are you still talking through your arse.

JonR

Danny Offline
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I didn't write them down. Why don't you pull them out of your arse
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this is silly stuff Jon Boy. Do you really think that any of those 18 guys would be on stage with him. And if any of those 18 had actually served with him, don't you think they would have said so...it certainly would have served their point better to have made that clear. I don't believe they would have let that pass by since their agenda is clear....as is yours.
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but if you know different...and can actually point out a single person who claims Kerry's wounds were self inflicted, who was an eye-witness...than the world needs to know that. I need to know that. It would certainly change my view and I believe a signifigant number of others.
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

Your Statement:


"As far as I can tell, there isn't one signature on that list from someone who actually served along side of Kerry."


But how can you make that statement when in FACT you have just proven to us that you don't know who served with kerry.

Now Danny boy you have proved you can't be taken seriously and in fact you just make things up to suit your own purpose. Like I said your not worthy enough to debate.

JonR
Danny Offline
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you must have had experience making pipe cleaner animals. Your ability to twist things around is well practiced. Go to K-Mart and buy a mirror.
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you basically said these 18 guys were credible enough to take seriously when they made exremely serious charges against Kerry's integrity, and it isn't even important enough to you to first find out how they might know this....but you post it. You throw it up as fact, I question it, and I'm the one without credibility according to you. You're a comedian.
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

kerry hasn't tried to stop the book from being published. When the book comes out in August, we will see if kerry sues for slander and defamation of character ( The only way kerry could get character is in a seringe like his botox). If he doesn't sue that in itself will validate the book.

JonR
usahog Offline
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yep Danny they did serve with him around him and over him but also in the same arena at the very same time frame he was there.. only thinf is the rest of these guys finished their tour... and a few of these guys were his commanders... you gotta read the story and I posted the links only to be charged at saying you wanted facts... how close can you get them??

John Kerry **** on the Veterans in the 1970's and every chance he had since then and will do it if he makes it to office... and when he does that he's ****ting on America Also!!!!

Thats a FACT!!!!
Hog
Danny Offline
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Why didn't Ann Coulter sue Al Franken?
Why didn't Sean Hannity sue Al Franken?
Why didn't George Bush sue Al Franken?
Why didn't Rush Limbaugh sue Al Franken?
Why didn't the countless others sue Al Franken?

I'm not sure I know the answer. I had this same discussion with other neo-cons, and their point was that libel is very hard to prove...and that all lawyers would be sued perpetually if all libels were pursued. There is also the question of whether or not the issue is something Kerry would want as a topic of conversation between August and November...I would think not. So this is a good point you make, but I suspect not at all any kind of defining element. I would prefer the active duty rosters, and then you would still be at a "his word vs. their word" scenario...and whose got what axe to grind. The bottom line is that it wasn't worth bringing up in the first place.
Danny Offline
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I'm sorry if I missed something...it's hard to see it all...there were a lot of quotes there. Which guys served with him and actually saw him inflicting his own injuries?
JonR Offline
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Yo Danny:

Your statement:

"The bottom line is that it wasn't worth bringing up in the first place."

It is worth bringing up that a man who is running for the Presidency lied to obtain three purple hearts.

It is worth bringing up that a man who is running for the Presidency lied to cut his tour of duty in Vietnam by 8 months.

It is worth bringing up for the military men and woman who served in Vietnam.

JonR


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